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It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly?
    #6006922 - 08/28/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

an idea that keeps running through my head as of lately....

how many helium balloons do i need to fly around in a lounge chair?

roughly 170 lbs all in all (chair, me, parachute lol)

so
170x16 = 2720 CF of helium.

one larg tank is going to hold about 290 Cf, (big tanks "T" size)

so 2720 CF/290cf per tank = 9.3 tanks. so lets say 10 tanks.

at a price of $40 a tank (reasonable, but not cheap) that will get you
$400 to power up this little blimp.


What do yall think?


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6006949 - 08/29/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'd suggest using weather balloons rather then ordinary balloons.  Not only will it make setting the adventure up much easier (each balloon holds about 100 cubic feet as opposed to the 0.5 cubic feet of an ordinary balloon), but they're also to able to handle much greater altitudes before they burst.

When calculating the mass you want to lift, remember to take into account any materials you're going to need to fasten all these balloons to your chair.  Also remember that compressed helium is not as buoyant as uncompressed helium, so you might want to add 15-25% more helium to account for this.

This might be a useful resource.

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6007115 - 08/29/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you were an eccentric millionaire, your exploits could awe the entire world.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6007119 - 08/29/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That sounds about right. Some years ago, a guy actually did this. He got up to 16,000 feet and descended by popping ballons with a BB gun he was carrying.

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6007156 - 08/29/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

you shoudl download mythbusters. or whatch it they do it. and its like shwackk of weatther ballons.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6007240 - 08/29/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This was done in California in the early 80's. There was a scene in the move Real Genius that followed this theme as well (though the scene was cut from the theatrical release). For more details: http://www.markbarry.com/amazing/lawnchairman.html

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When Larry Walters was 13 years old, he went to a local Army-Navy surplus store and saw the weather balloons hanging from the ceiling. It was then he knew that some day he would be carried aloft by such balloons. This obsession would be with him for the next 20 years. On July 2nd, 1982, Larry tied 42 helium-filled balloons to a Sears lawn chair in the backyard of his girlfriend's house in San Pedro, California. With the help of his ground crew, Larry then secured himself into the lawn chair which was anchored to the bumper of a friend's car by two nylon tethers. He took with him many supplies, including a BB gun to shoot out the balloons when he was ready to descend. His goal was to sail across the desert and hopefully make it to the Rocky Mountains in a few days. But things didn't quite work out for Larry. After his crew purposely cut the first tether, the second one also snapped which shot Larry into the LA sky at over 1,000 feet per minute. So fast was his ascent that he lost his glasses. He then climbed to over 16,000 feet. For several hours he drifted in the cold air near the LA and Long Beach airports. A TWA pilot first spotted Larry and radioed the tower that he was passing a guy in a lawn chair at 16,000! Larry started shooting out a few balloons to start his descent but had accidentally dropped it. He eventually landed in a Long Beach neighborhood. Although he was entangled in some power lines, he was uninjured.



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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Seuss]
    #6007286 - 08/29/06 05:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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After his crew purposely cut the first tether, the second one also snapped which shot Larry into the LA sky at over 1,000 feet per minute. So fast was his ascent that he lost his glasses. He then climbed to over 16,000 feet. For several hours he drifted in the cold air near the LA and Long Beach airports. A TWA pilot first spotted Larry and radioed the tower that he was passing a guy in a lawn chair at 16,000!





Now that sounds like a Zippoz adventure :thumbup:

Basically you need enough helium to be buoyant, and then some extra pounds of lift to make you ascend. Someone less lazy than me can work out the details, but by the number of pounds of lift in excess of the total weight you can pre-determine how high you're going to get. This is important because somewhere around 15.000 ft you're likely to blackout or even die by oxygen deprivation.

The most practical setup I see is that you put on a parachute, attach a rope with a quickrelease to the parachute harness, the end of which is attached to your balloons via a point that is attached to the ground while the balloons are filled, a bit like so:

Code:


Balloons <--- wind
\
\
Zippoz--=---------O

= quickrelease
O anchor

 


When the anchor is released the balloons will pass overhead, picking Zippoz up. Once beyond 1.000 ft the parachute can be deployed, so basically what you do is let yourself drift upward to your desired height (lets say 5.000-10.000ft) and take tons of pictures to post on the boards :wink: after which you pull the quickrelease, separating you from the balloons, and the barometric system will automatically deploy the parachute at 1.000 ft.

-you need to get your physics right
-you need to get your gear in order
-you need to cough up the $ for mostly the helium
-you need to have parachute experience
-you need a ground crew

But otherwise it is perfectly feasible.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6007668 - 08/29/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I glad to see that I'm not the only person that thought of doing this as well.

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Seuss]
    #6007672 - 08/29/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yup, true story.

here's more info: http://www.snopes.com/travel/airline/walters.asp

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Vvellum]
    #6007814 - 08/29/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the math in the first post is right, although id probably add another big tank and a smaller one so i can re-fill mid flight.

im thinking i want to stay under 500 feet, so i dont get slammed witha a goddamn terrorism charge (airspace begins at 500 feet)

im also thinking i want to anchor it to a recombant style bicycle, and mount some fans where the rear wheels would go, so that i can propell myself forward, in true blimp style.

in a few months ill have a shit ton of property out in nevada, in a extreemely desolate area, and also the cash to pull this off. It will happen, its just a matter of when.

im also thinking of comercialising this little thing. i think that for $1000 you could definately get someone to ponsor your blimp and put an add under the damn thing.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6008122 - 08/29/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

let me be the first to say, this is a bad idea...


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Jim]
    #6008176 - 08/29/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What could possibly go wrong? :wink: 

I bet Darwin is just rolling in his grave waiting for this idea to take flight!


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #6008279 - 08/29/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i think i can minimise the risk of dying by using a large number of weather balloons anchored to a single re-enforced point, and staying under 500 feet.

and away


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6008384 - 08/29/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it only takes 10 feet for you to fall and break your neck...


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Jim]
    #6008403 - 08/29/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

true enough.

I should mention, i dont plan to fall, and i would probably do the first test over water, gives me a bit more space to fall before i break said neck.


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6008928 - 08/29/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Do us a favor... record your attempt on video and share it with us :grin:

I want to see a 1-man zeppelin come to fruition.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Seuss]
    #6008978 - 08/29/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
This was done in California in the early 80's.  There was a scene in the move Real Genius that followed this theme as well (though the scene was cut from the theatrical release).  For more details: http://www.markbarry.com/amazing/lawnchairman.html

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When Larry Walters was 13 years old, he went to a local Army-Navy surplus store and saw the weather balloons hanging from the ceiling. It was then he knew that some day he would be carried aloft by such balloons. This obsession would be with him for the next 20 years. On July 2nd, 1982, Larry tied 42 helium-filled balloons to a Sears lawn chair in the backyard of his girlfriend's house in San Pedro, California. With the help of his ground crew, Larry then secured himself into the lawn chair which was anchored to the bumper of a friend's car by two nylon tethers. He took with him many supplies, including a BB gun to shoot out the balloons when he was ready to descend. His goal was to sail across the desert and hopefully make it to the Rocky Mountains in a few days. But things didn't quite work out for Larry. After his crew purposely cut the first tether, the second one also snapped which shot Larry into the LA sky at over 1,000 feet per minute. So fast was his ascent that he lost his glasses. He then climbed to over 16,000 feet. For several hours he drifted in the cold air near the LA and Long Beach airports. A TWA pilot first spotted Larry and radioed the tower that he was passing a guy in a lawn chair at 16,000!  Larry started shooting out a few balloons to start his descent but had accidentally dropped it. He eventually landed in a Long Beach neighborhood. Although he was entangled in some power lines, he was uninjured.







Yep, that's the one I was thinking about. :laugh:

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6009200 - 08/29/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yeah 16,000 feet, and he dropped his bb gun, what a shame/dumbass.

I will record it, its just a question of getting about $500 to blow on a test, or getting someone to backdoor me some Helium tanks ....... anyone ? :smile:


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6010839 - 08/30/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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its just a question of getting about $500 to blow on a test




Zippoz, you did not research this well enough. Really: don't do this just yet.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Asante]
    #6011450 - 08/30/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well im not going to o it just yet, as i dont have the cash, i promose to you wiccian that when i do it ill do it safely.


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6016630 - 08/31/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Dude, stay at home. Buy a Xbox. Learn to cook. Go get a girl and have kids (on second thought, don't do this last one :smirk:) Entertain yourself, but don't put yourself and others at risk.

One of the reasons I say this -apart from the obvious dangers- is because you could very possibly go higher than 500 feet whitout knowing, and that's MAD dangerous.
There's a reason airspace is controlled and pilots spend hundreds of hours learning airspace regulations.

With all the money you're planning on spending you could buy a cessna anyway.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
    #6016782 - 08/31/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

actually i have 2 very accurate gps readers that can tell me how high i am. and i can rig up a teather if all else fails.

I think that i can do this for well under $600 including the helium and any parts i would need for my flying machine.

although i have been considering more and more, just using my rock climbing harness, and just tying myself on. but where is the fun in that.


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6016881 - 08/31/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

zippoz said:
actually i have 2 very accurate gps readers that can tell me how high i am. and i can rig up a teather if all else fails.

I think that i can do this for well under $600 including the helium and any parts i would need for my flying machine.

although i have been considering more and more, just using my rock climbing harness, and just tying myself on. but where is the fun in that.




There's definitely no fun in spending a long time suspended from those crotch-crushers.

I like rock-climbing and all, but those harnesses kill. IME they either apply unintended pressure to the groin, or they make your underwear climb up higher than you do.

After all, they're supposed to support you when you slip or stop for a rest, not support you continuously.


Besides, doing it in a chair is just so much cooler. If you use a la-z-boy, you'll be my hero :tongue:

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: Konnrade]
    #6016978 - 08/31/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i was thinking chase lounge.

im going to have to use somthing sturdy and light weight though, somthing that i can mount a frame/anchor for the balloons


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6018281 - 09/01/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

are you hearing about them going to 1000feet in seconds?


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6018317 - 09/01/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Zippoz, this is a cool idea. I heartilly suggest you learn how to sky dive and wear a parachute just in case...I mean, it is pretty dangerous. I want to see this happen, I hope you are serious about it and take the plan further.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: TODAY]
    #6018480 - 09/01/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the problem is if i skydive off of the damn thing, with the balloons still in place its going wayyyy the fuck right into the atmosphere... into comercial airspace.... and im going to get thrown in jail....

so im thinking that im going to have to stay with it, or get some crazy ass sniper on the ground to take it out., lol


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6019289 - 09/01/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You could place a SMALL firework shell in the middle of the balloons.  The shell would throw out hot sparks that should pierce right through the balloons.  Then put a radio activated trigger to blow the fucker up after you jettison.  Or you could light a super long wick, then jettison. 

You should remember that one guy on this board that blew off his hand because his remote detonator malfunctioned...I mean, along with the other safety considerations when piloting a balloon flyer  :wink:


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6019768 - 09/01/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like you have most of it well planned. How are you directing it? Are you going to ask for permission or at last an ATC follow up to your local airport?


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6019786 - 09/01/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Zippoz, you can very well get yourself killed with this stunt, and I think you should only proceed if you can design a detailed plan and get it approved by the Science & Technology forum.

Harm reduction: if you're going to do it you'd better bounce the plan off some of the brightest minds of the Shroomery, so they all can help you reduce the risks.

I still feel the parachute/quickrelease idea is the safer one.

Don't bother with pyrotechnic systems, that will REALLY get you in trouble with the authorities. If you bail out at say 3.000 ft the balloons will suddenly gain a Zippozweight of lift, and shoot upwards out of airspace, where the balloons pop and the thing falls down like a rag. The moment you pull the quickrelease you are entering the standard skydiver drill which you can and in my view have to practice with a skydiving course beforehand. The skydiving harness is intended to be suspended from, unlike a mountaineering harness.
Always use the appropriate tools for a job!

Before you pull the quickrelease you'll be the payload of a weather balloon system.

This is a combination of techniques for which there are protocols, meaning great minds have spent much time and practice optimizing these procedures.


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Re: It takes 16 cu ft of helium to lift 1 pound. , so how much for me to fly? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #6020155 - 09/01/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I would, BTW, recommend you to get at least a manual in airspace control and boundaries: that shit could get you in jail, no kidding.
Also hire a good lawyer and take hir advise. I can't stress enough the importance of talking with your local airport/authority, because most rookies pilots fly low (under 3000ft), and they're the ones less prepared to work out a contingency should anything go wrong.
I don't wanna sound pessimistic but I feel the legal side of this is at least as important as the scientific one.


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