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BrAiN
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for those that let the media think for them...
#6006060 - 08/28/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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... about things like "America fueled the Iraq/Iran war and were the real cause of all the bloodshed".
http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/TIV_imp_IRQ_75-05.pdf/download
This and many other evidence that proves Michael Moore is full of shit has been brought to you by SIPRI.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006104 - 08/28/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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America has a big part to blame for Iran and Iraq as well. Especially since we established The Shah in power who created a reign of terror and was deposed by the Islamic Revolution.
We wouldnt be in nearly the type of mess we are now if we didnt meddle in their affairs years ago. We are now paying for past discrepancies.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#6006124 - 08/28/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey man. I don't deny that part.
Typical liberal.. ya prove them wrong and they go on a rant about something off the subject.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006131 - 08/28/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: Typical liberal.. ya prove them wrong and they go on a rant about something off the subject.
Sounds like someone's been reading too much Ann Coulter lately.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006152 - 08/28/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love how liberals assume you must be a Coulter-loving conservative when you bash liberals... Coulter is a pea brained prick
The same way closed minded conservative assholes assume you must be a "dirty liberal" if you disagree with any of their policies.
Both you liberals and conservatives are a bunch of jerks that think the world is black and white. When it comes to the Mid East it's ALWAYS either WE'RE THE BAD GUYS or THEY'RE THE BAD GUYS.
No one ever wants to suck it up and admit the truth... that every nation is in the wrong.. Us, Iran, Israel, Palestine, UK, Syria etc...
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006171 - 08/28/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: I love how liberals assume you must be a Coulter-loving conservative when you bash liberals...
It's not just the fact that you're bashing liberals, but rather the mindless, ranting, factually inept (Coulteresque) way you're doing it.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006222 - 08/28/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea I guess I came of Coulter-esque. I just get pissed off at how polarized everyone is.
Sorry... no disrespect to you. I just get angry at how hypocrytical both sides are. Republicans are mainly Christian but they seem so pro-violence. Democrats claim to be compassionate, but that compassion only seems to apply to us and Mexico.
I like to instigate discussions on both sides.
I also get mad at how people trash talk America so much when they're plenty good about this country. As much as the Democrats like to hyperbolize how much the Christians control this country and I hate to sound nationalist, but I think America still stands for great ideas. We're not perfect, but what country is? At least we can believe in whatever religion we want without being put to death.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006229 - 08/28/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: I just get pissed off at how polarized everyone is.
And in the process didn't realize how polarized you yourself were becoming. I think it's time to take a few of these:
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006236 - 08/28/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm polarized? Explain to me how? Because I get mad when I point out what's wrong with both democrats and republicans and have people jumping to conclusions about what I believe?
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006246 - 08/28/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You don't have to be a democrat or republican to be polarized. You're on your own extreme end of the spectrum, and just lashing out at others. I've seen you jump to more conclusions about what others believe than the other way around.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006260 - 08/28/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm extreme? How are my views extreme? because I don't believe in invading other countries? Because I think that any type or war is wrong even in retaliation? Because I think that people should have the right to believe what they want without getting executing for thought crimes? Because I think that both democrats and republicans show signs of being hypocrates? Those are the only political views I've expressed tonight. Apparently I'm so middle cround that I'm just polarazing the shit out of America I guess.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006279 - 08/28/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not so much your views that I find extreme as much as your rhetoric and attitude. You make all kinds of ridiculous assumptions about people, and then complain that that's what they're doing to you(psychologists refer to this as "projection"). It's not so much what you believe in that's extreme, but rather what you believe that others believe. This is exactly what I meant in calling you Coulteresque. Now please, for the love of God:
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006303 - 08/28/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, you called me Coulteresque because I started talking smack about liberals. You and everyone else tonight are the ones assuming that I'm a conservative that would listen to a nazi piece of trash like Coulter, arguing with me about how my belief in invading other countries when that's not what I believe at all... just because I expressed views that might sound vaguely conservative.
I get mad at this and somehow me saying "typical liberal" makes me more presumptuous than you?
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006309 - 08/28/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh yea, Coulter is a crazy ass bitch, that is no doubt. I actually think she isn't even conservative. It seems to me that she says all that shit to gain publicity. Even Republicans hate her cunt ass.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: downforpot]
#6006318 - 08/28/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ann Coulter is the Christian version of bin Laden.. fucking religious nut that wants the entire world under their own holy law
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006421 - 08/28/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: No, you called me Coulteresque because I started talking smack about liberals.
See, there you go making assumptions again.
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I get mad at this and somehow me saying "typical liberal" makes me more presumptuous than you?
Well, for one thing, you assumed that I was a liberal.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006431 - 08/28/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So categorizing you by mistake makes me a polarizing extremist? No... it just makes me a jerk.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006438 - 08/28/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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BrAiN said: No, you called me Coulteresque because I started talking smack about liberals.
See, there you go making assumptions again.
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I get mad at this and somehow me saying "typical liberal" makes me more presumptuous than you?
Well, for one thing, you assumed that I was a liberal.
There's nothing to assume...
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006441 - 08/28/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, it means your more presumptuous than the people you're attacking.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Silversoul]
#6006479 - 08/28/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well.. touceh'... I'm presumptuous then.. but my political views are far from polarizing or extremely
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006570 - 08/28/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, quite presumptuous.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Vvellum]
#6006575 - 08/28/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're guilty of the same, bio.
You seemed earlier to think I was all for invading other countries just because I said I was angry at how people ignored the fact that under Islamic governments, non Muslims are executed.
At least I can look back at my own hypocrytical statements and admit them instead of busting into an already dead thread and pointing fingers at people who did the same shit you did.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006594 - 08/28/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did? Care to quote me on that?
Oh, by the way, what does your PDF have to do with Michael Moore?
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Vvellum]
#6006610 - 08/28/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your response to my stating that I'm just mad at how we tend to ignore human rights violations in Islamic run countries:
"You seem to suggest there are hordes of American people who are critical of a developing theocracy in the United States but are not concerned with theocracies in other nations. Can you provide examples?
Donating to charity as an individual is one thing. A federal government invading other countries under the pretext of "liberty" while at the same time being buddy-buddies with other dictators is another."
I never suggested anything about hoards of people or invading anyone.
And it's mighty pretentious of you to come in here on a dead post and just get one last finger pointing in here. I mean really.. was the "Yes, quite presumptuous. " thing really neccessary or did you just want to pick a fight or what?
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006740 - 08/28/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you commented on how there are lots of americans who complain about the religious right in the United States but do not give a damn about people oppressed by theocratic regimes elsewhere. That would suggest that you believe there are "hordes" of people holding these beliefs, no?
As far as invasion goes, I asked for you solution and you never responded.
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And it's mighty pretentious of you to come in here on a dead post and just get one last finger pointing in here. I mean really.. was the "Yes, quite presumptuous. " thing really neccessary or did you just want to pick a fight or what?
I simply was making a comment about your assumption that I support Islamist extremists because I choose to criticize the actions of the Israeli government. And last I checked, we are free to make such comments on these forums as long as they are not trolling or flaming - neither of which I did. You're assumptions are quite relevent to this thread, no? And I simply agreed with silversoul.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Vvellum]
#6006753 - 08/28/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't have a solution to the problem. What does that have to do with anything? When did I ever say I had a solution. All I wanted was awareness and recognition of the problem. Awareness is the first step to a solution anyways. That's what the FREE-TIBET movement is all about anyways. What the hell is some punk concert going teenage supposed to do about the situation? The only thing we can do is make people aware and then we can start working on peaceful solutions.
I assumed you were supporting islamic extremists because of a statement you made about the dude in the other threat which was based on an earlier conversation I did not see.. and I apologized.. something you seem to be incapable of.
And I never suggested HOARDES of Americans. You were the one that started tacking on words like "hoards" to my statements in an attempt to discredit me.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Vvellum]
#6006768 - 08/28/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said: I did? Care to quote me on that?
Oh, by the way, what does your PDF have to do with Michael Moore?
Watch the "what a wonderful world" montage part of the movie again. He was the one suggesting we were responsible for fueling the war in Iraq and Iran by supplying Iraq with weapons. This is true. However there are plenty of countries that supplied Iraq qith HUNDREDS of times of more weapons at this time, yet Moore fails to mention this. Moore has the capability of being a great documentary filmmaker. Roger and me was fantastic. When he starts skewing statistics, it makes me respect him less.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6006790 - 08/28/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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All I wanted was awareness and recognition of the problem. Awareness is the first step to a solution anyways. That's what the FREE-TIBET movement is all about anyways. What the hell is some punk concert going teenage supposed to do about the situation? The only thing we can do is make people aware and then we can start working on peaceful solutions.
And you have yet to provide any solid, non-ancedotal example of this supposed "problem." I do not believe what you complain about even exists even on the scale that you present it to be. So, what does "awareness" about a vague and non-documented problem amount to? Nothing.
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I assumed you were supporting islamic extremists because of a statement you made about the dude in the other threat which was based on an earlier conversation I did not see.. and I apologized.. something you seem to be incapable of.
What should I apologize for? Calling you presumptous? You were presumptous and you have admitted it.
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And I never suggested HOARDES of Americans. You were the one that started tacking on words like "hoards" to my statements in an attempt to discredit me.
You framed your statement with a plural American, meaning there are many Americans who hold the position that you rail against. Last I checked "horde" means alot of people, no?
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Vvellum]
#6009196 - 08/29/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hordes do mean a lot of people, yes. And it's a pity that I never said Horde... you did. I don't know what knid of imaginary arguments you're trying to fight against here. I never meant hoards
...but hell.. you know me so well and apparently you seem to know everything I think so I guess you must be right.
What's your phone number? Every time I make a post from now on I'll call you so you can make a followup post letting everyone know what I *REALLY* mean... expecially in this anonymous style forum where you can't even see what sort of body language or word emphasis someone is using... it must be extra easy for someone like you to interpret what people really mean.
I'll be sure never to use PLURAL words in your presence again since, according to your logic, when i take a noun and add an (s) on the end, I apparently mean to say hoards.
"And you have yet to provide any solid, non-ancedotal example of this supposed "problem.""
I've given you plenty of evidence. Besides.. How can one give evidence of something NOT happening? You apparently disagree with me so much... but then you seem offer an explanation (that people are more concerned about what's going on in their own country) for it. Which is it? You disagree with me? Or you have an explanation for the situation I've proposed? You can't have it both ways.
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: Vvellum]
#6009353 - 08/29/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, bi0.
Are you appauled when you hear about cases of people in Islamic states being executed by the gov't for converting away from Islam... Regardless or not of whether or not you think you can do anything about it (which is irrelavent)?
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Re: for those that let the media think for them... [Re: BrAiN]
#6015147 - 08/31/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've given you plenty of evidence. Besides.. How can one give evidence of something NOT happening? You apparently disagree with me so much... but then you seem offer an explanation (that people are more concerned about what's going on in their own country) for it. Which is it? You disagree with me? Or you have an explanation for the situation I've proposed? You can't have it both ways.
You have not. You could post some sort of political speech, a poll, a political platform, an essay. Your evidence of this problem is a simple, vague, and unsourced anecdote of some mainstream media reporting and anecdotal reference to conversations you had with your friends. With this "evidence" you postulated that Americans who are concerned about the religious establishing itself in government are also not concerned with theocracy abroad. Like I said before, I am not even sure this is even true on the scale that you make it to be until you demonstrate it is.
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