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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006710 - 08/28/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There. Enjoy marinating all night in your proof.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Vvellum]
    #6006714 - 08/28/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Mainstream media is not the American people.




Last time I checked... being a member of the media didn't disquality you from being an American. So there you have it... Americans ignoring these problems in the middle east and reporting on hundreds of smaller religious/state spats in the states.

The media reports about what the American people want to hear.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006715 - 08/28/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

An anedote is not proof. All that shows is the agenda of the mainstream media.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006721 - 08/28/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The media reports about what the American people want to hear.




do you really believe that?

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Vvellum]
    #6006728 - 08/28/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So you admit the media isn't in an uproar about persecution in the mideast but they're all about reporting small local issues in the states about religion vs state?

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Vvellum]
    #6006743 - 08/28/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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bi0 said:
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The media reports about what the American people want to hear.




do you really believe that?




Yes. I believe Rupert Murdoch has an agenda... the same agenda as the 51% of the people who voted for Bush.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006759 - 08/28/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe the mainstream media has shown enough reports on the lack of individual liberty in other nations without being in the headlines. I believe the mainstream media has covered issues such as church/state separation because it is more sensational and relevent to our lives. This is not exactly a true reflection of the beliefs of the common American. The mainstream media is full of bias and agenda and not to be taken as the voice of the people.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006771 - 08/28/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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bi0 said:
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The media reports about what the American people want to hear.




do you really believe that?




Yes. I believe Rupert Murdoch has an agenda... the same agenda as the 51% of the people who voted for Bush.




And perhaps these voting citizens form their political opinion partly due to the bias in the mainstream media.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Vvellum]
    #6006778 - 08/28/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You said "I believe the mainstream media has covered issues such as church/state separation because it is more sensational and relevent to our lives."

Well my statement was " find it amusing that Americans protest the slightest bit of religion penetrating our laws... but they don't speak up about Islamic governments who give people the death penalty who don't follow their religion"

Now.. you admitted that at least the media is guilty of this. The media is made up of 10's of thousands of americans and hundreds, thousands of news sources. So there... my statement is logically proven true by your own admission.

Game.. set.. match.. Good night.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006803 - 08/28/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The media is made up of 10's of thousands of americans and hundreds, thousands of news sources.




...and yet, the mainstream media does not equate to the acutal opinions of the average American.

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Game.. set.. match.. Good night.




I dont think so.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Vvellum]
    #6015885 - 08/31/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418660,00.html

I was just reading this interview conducted by German newspaper "Spiegel" with the Iranian dictator, and as I was reading it, a couple of things became evident to me about the way he thinks.

When asked about his position on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, he does a lot of sidestepping and dances around the question at first. However, when pressed on about it, he makes it clear that he's not COMPLETELY denying it, but saying that "if it did happen," 1)it shouldn't be considered a separate event from WW2, and 2)the Jewish homeland should actually be in Germany, not the Middle East.



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Ahmadinejad: Look here, my views are quite clear. We are saying that if the Holocaust occurred, then Europe must draw the consequences and that it is not Palestine that should pay the price for it. If it did not occur, then the Jews have to go back to where they came from. I believe that the German people today are also prisoners of the Holocaust. Sixty million people died in the Second World War. World War II was a gigantic crime. We condemn it all. We are against bloodshed, regardless of whether a crime was committed against a Muslim or against a Christian or a Jew. But the question is: Why among these 60 million victims are only the Jews the center of attention?




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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Luddite]
    #6016085 - 08/31/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I get it, if you don't kiss the Jewish ass, your a Nazi. Got it.


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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6023423 - 09/02/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hitler's holocaust plan for Jews in Palestine stopped by Desert Rats
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Adolf Hitler made plans to conduct a holocaust of Jews living in Palestine during the Second World War, according to German historians who have examined government archives for a new book that examines the extension of the extermination programme outside of Europe and Russia.

It was the victory of the famed Desert Rats of Britain's Eighth Army at El Alamein under the leadership of Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery that saved the Jews in Palestine from annihilation. The turning point in the desert war signalled a reprieve from a planned German invasion of what was then the British Mandate of Palestine.

If Arabs had joined Nazis in genocide, the map of the Middle East could be totally different to present day and the historians speculate whether the state of Israel would ever have been founded if such an unholy alliance had been achieved.

The Nazis stationed a unit of SS troops in Athens, tasked with following invading frontline troops in Palestine and then rounding up and murdering about 500,000 European Jews who had taken refuge there, according to historians at the University of Stuttgart.

But the unit, answerable to the Afrika Corps under Field Marshal Erwin "The Desert Fox" Rommel, never deployed.

It was designed to function like the Einsatzgruppen or "action squads" of the SS that followed the German army into Russia, shooting close to a million Jews and political enemies before the static killing centres such as Treblinka and Auschwitz were established in Poland.

Klaus-Michael Mallmann of the University's Ludwigsburg research team and his assistant Martin Cüppers said they had spent three years studying German wartime archives, including those at the foreign office in Berlin which had hitherto remained sealed.

"The Allied defeat of Rommel at the end of 1942 had prevented the extension of the Holocaust to Palestine," they said. If Rommel had beaten the Allies in the desert and invaded Egypt, a push into Palestine would have followed and the unit would have deployed there.

The researchers, whose findings appear in a new book entitled Germans, Jews, Genocide: The Holocaust as history and the present, said the Athens unit would follow the blueprint drawn by Nazi units that hunted for Jews in eastern Europe, massacring them on the spot or shipping them off to death camps. In Palestine, they say, it would have been more of the former than the latter due to the greater distances involved.

Mr Mallmann and Mr Cüppers said the Nazis had planned to exploit Arab friendship for their plans.

"The most important collaborator with the Nazis and an absolute Arab anti-Semite was Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem," they say in the book. He was a prime example of how Arabs and Nazis became friends out of a hatred of Jews.

Al-Husseini had met Adolf Eichmann, Adolf Hitler's chief architect of the Holocaust, several times to settle details of the slaughter. In the academic work they draw on documents from the Reich Main Security Office showing "Einsatzgruppe Egypt" was standing by in Athens and was ready to disembark for Palestine in the summer of 1942.

The Middle East death squad was to be led by the SS Obersturmbannführer Walther Rauff.

Rauff was involved in the development of "gassing vans": mobile gas chambers used to fatally poison Jews, persons with disabilities, and communists, who were considered by the SS as enemies of the German state.

After escaping from an American internment camp in Italy after capture, he hid in a number of Italian convents, apparently under the protection of Bishop Alois Hudel, the notorious German cleric at the Vatican credited with providing fake papers for high-ranking Nazis to escape to South America.

Franz Stangl, commandant of Treblinka, where a million people were murdered, was among his "clients." In 1948 he was recruited by Syrian intelligence and went to Damascus, only to fall out of favour after a coup there a year later. He settled in Chile, where he fought off extradition proceedings to stand trial in Germany and died peacefully in 1984. He hinted at plans to kill the Jews in Palestine in an interview in 1979, in which he was unrepentant about his wartime "service to my Fatherland".

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article357644.ece



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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6023431 - 09/02/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just saying there are people in the middle east (Iran, Afghanistan, etc) that are EXECUTED by the gov't because they chose not to believe in Islam.

Not in Iran. Minority religions, with the exception of Bahai, are protected by law.

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    #6033298 - 09/05/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Notable_apostates

"Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan and Mauritania. In Pakistan blasphemy is also punishable by death."

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6033314 - 09/05/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"In 1980, Pakistan incorporated making any disparaging remark against any personality revered in Islam into the penal code as an offence"

"Bahá'ís in Iran, the nation of origin of the Bahá'í Faith and Iran's largest religious minority, are considered apostates by the Shi'a clergy because of their claim to a valid religious revelation subsequent to that of Muhammad. Iranian law therefore treats Bahá'ís as heretics rather than members of an independent religion, as they describe themselves. Bahá'ís have therefore been subjected to much persecution (documented by various third party entities such as the United Nations, Amnesty International, and the European Union) including beatings, torture, unjustified executions"

"Since the 1990s, the Islamic Republic of Iran has used death squads against converts, including major Protestant leaders, and under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, engaged in a systematic campaign to track down and reconvert or kill those who have changed their religion from Islam. "

"In 2003, Egyptian security forces arrested 22 converts and people who had helped them. Some were tortured, and one, Isam Abdul Fathr, died in custody. Last year, Gaseer Mohamed Mahmoud was whipped and had his toenails pulled out by police, and was told he would be imprisoned until he gave up Christianity. "



If someone proposed a law like that in the United States they would be booed into exile.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6033344 - 09/05/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

pretty sick stuff huh?

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for separation of church and state here in America.... but it disgusts me to see other people legislating the execution of torture of people who chose not to believe in their gov't religions.

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