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Iran Nazi holocaust connection
    #6005330 - 08/28/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ahmadinejad tried to deny the holocaust and said if it did happen, why doesn't Europe provide a place for the Israelis instead of the mid east? From this article we can see that both Iran and the Mufti of Palestine were involved with the holocaust.


Denial of Holocaust nothing new in Iran
Ties to Hitler led to plots against British and Jews

Edwin Black
Sunday, January 8, 2006

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has shot to the forefront of Holocaust denial with his rabble-rousing remarks last month. But it's more like self-denial. The president of Iran need only look to his country's Hitler-era past to discover that Iran and Iranians were strongly connected to the Holocaust and the Hitler regime, as was the entire Islamic world under the leadership of the mufti of Jerusalem.

Iran's axis with the Third Reich began during the prewar years, when it welcomed Nazi Gestapo agents and other operatives to Tehran, allowing them to use the city as a base for Middle East agitation against the British and the region's Jews.

Key among these German agents was Fritz Grobba, Berlin's envoy to the Middle East, who was often called "the German Lawrence," because he promised a Pan-Islamic state stretching from Casablanca to Tehran.

Relations between Berlin and Tehran were strong from the moment Hitler came to power in 1933. At that time, Reza Shah Pahlavi's nation was known as Persia. The shah became a stalwart admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. He also sought the Reich's help in reducing British petro-political domination.

So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country "Iran," which in Farsi means Aryan and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished.

The idea for the name change was suggested by the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of Hitler's trusted banker, Hjalmar Schacht. From that point, all Iranians were constantly reminded that their country shared a common bond with the Nazi regime.

Shortly after World War II broke out in 1939, the Mufti of Jerusalem crafted a strategic alliance with Hitler to exchange Iraqi oil for active Arab and Islamic participation in the murder of Jews in the Mideast and Eastern Europe. This was predicated on support for a pan-Arab state and Arab control over Palestine.

During the war years, Iran became a haven for Gestapo agents. It was from Iran that the seeds of the abortive 1941 pro-Nazi coup in Baghdad were planted. After Churchill's forces booted the Nazis out of Iraq in June 1941, German aircrews supporting Nazi bombers escaped across Iraq's northern border back into Iran.

Likewise, the mufti of Jerusalem was spirited across the border to Tehran, where he continued to call for the destruction of the Jews and the defeat of the British.

His venomous rhetoric filled the newspapers and radio broadcasts in Tehran. The mufti was a vocal opponent of allowing Jewish refugees to be transported or ransomed into Jewish Palestine. Instead, he wanted them shipped to the gas chambers of Poland.

In the summer of 1941, the mufti, with the support of key Iranian military and government leaders, advocated implementing in Iran what had failed months earlier in Iraq. The plan once again was for a total diversion of oil from the Allies to the Nazis, in exchange for the accelerated destruction of the Jews in Eastern Europe and the Nazis' support for an Arab state. Through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co., Iran had already been supplying Hitler's forces in occupied Czechoslovakia and Austria.

Now, the mufti agitated to cut off the British and the Allies completely and supply Germany in its push against Russia.

In October 1941, British, USSR other allied forces invaded Iran to break up the Iran-Nazi alliance. Pro-Nazi generals and ministers were arrested, and the shah's son was installed in power. The mufti scampered into the Italian embassy, where he shaved his beard and dyed his hair. In this disguise, he was allowed to leave the country along with the rest of the Italian delegation.

Once the mufti relocated permanently to Berlin, where he established his own Reich-supported "bureau," he was given airtime on Radio Berlin. From Berlin and other fascist capitals in Europe, the mufti continued to agitate for international Jewish destruction, as well as a pan-Islamic alliance with the Nazi regime.

He called upon all Muslims to "kill the Jews wherever you see them." In Tehran's marketplace, it was common to see placards that declared, "In heaven, Allah is your master. On Earth, it is Adolf Hitler."

When the mufti raised three divisions of Islamic Waffen SS to undertake cruel operations in Bosnia, among the 30,000 killers were some volunteer contingents from Iran. Iranian Nazis, along with the other Muslim Waffen SS, operated under the direct supervision of Heinrich Himmler and were responsible for barbarous actions against Jews and others in Bosnia. Recruitment for the murderous "Handschar Divisions" was done openly in Iran.

Iran and its leaders were not only aware of the Holocaust, they played both sides. The country offered overland escape routes for refugee Jews fleeing Nazi persecution to Israel -- and later fleeing postwar Iraqi fascist persecution -- but only in exchange for extortionate passage fees.

Thousands of Jews journeyed to Israel via Iran both during the Holocaust and during the years after the fall of Hitler, when Arab leaders, especially in Iraq, tried to continue Germany's anti-Jewish program. Iran profited handsomely.

Since the shah's downfall, Iran has become a center for organized international Holocaust denial and has helped elevate the endeavor from fringe hate speech to a state-approved pseudo-intellectual debate.

In international forums and on state-controlled radio, Iranian university experts and journalists help validate the revisionist views that Jews were never gassed or murdered in great numbers during the Holocaust.

Indeed, Iran has become a refuge for the biggest names in European Holocaust denial. When in 2000, revisionist author Jürgen Graf was sentenced in Switzerland to 15 months in prison for Holocaust falsification, Graf fled to Tehran "at the invitation of a group of Iranian scholars and university professors who are sympathetic to Holocaust revisionism," according to the Institute for Historical Review, a denial clearinghouse.

What's more, in May 2000, Iran's embassy in Vienna granted asylum to Austrian Holocaust denier Wolfgang Fröhlich, who testified as a so-called expert witness during Graf's 1998 trial. This saved Fröhlich from Austria's severe anti-Holocaust denial statutes. Fröhlich argued that evidence proved no Jews were killed by Zyklon B gassing.

Earlier, about 600 journalists and 160 members of the Iranian parliament signed petitions supporting French revisionist Roger Garaudy, who was fined $40,000 by French authorities for his book claiming the Holocaust was a myth. When Garaudy landed in Iran, the country's supreme spiritual leader, Ayatollah Sayyad Khamenei, granted him an audience and lauded his work.

Iran has played a leading role in the Holocaust drama and now tries to deny it. That should be very hard in a nation that was named for Hitler's master race.

Edwin Black is the author of "Banking on Baghdad" about the Nazi-Arab alliance. Contact us at insight@sfchronicle.com.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/08/INGODGH99Q1.DTL


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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Luddite]
    #6005345 - 08/28/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Islam is an organized crime and totalitarian system that uses a made up religion of lies as its main racket.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Luddite]
    #6005404 - 08/28/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:rolleyes:

Beating the drums of war I see.


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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Luddite]
    #6005429 - 08/28/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

nor were the iranians the only ones with ties to the nazis either ..

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"Walker [as in king georges' "W"] also set up a deal to take over the North American operations of the Hamburg-Amerika Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. The shipping line smuggled in German agents, propaganda, and money for bribing American politicians to see things Hitler's way. The holding company was Walker's American Shipping & Commerce, which shared the offices at 39 Broadway with Union Banking. In an elaborate corporate paper trail, Harriman's stock in American Shipping & Commerce was controlled by yet another holding company, the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, run out of Walker's office. The directors of this company were Averill Harriman, Bert Walker, and Prescott Bush.



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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Luddite]
    #6005656 - 08/28/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The article is crap. Citing 65+ year old alliances is irrelevant.
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Since the shah's downfall, Iran has become a center for organized international Holocaust denial and has helped elevate the endeavor from fringe hate speech to a state-approved pseudo-intellectual debate.




Ah, i would argue that the US is the center of this world too. Maybe not state-approved, but ill get to that later.
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Thousands of Jews journeyed to Israel via Iran both during the Holocaust and during the years after the fall of Hitler, when Arab leaders, especially in Iraq, tried to continue Germany's anti-Jewish program. Iran profited handsomely.



How, Where, and Source? Jews moved to Israel because it was called there 'homeland' Iraq for example did not want the Jews to leave, and threatened to seize all assets if they left(There actions were most likely to discourage population growth in 'palestine'). The Jews that did leave, did lose everything, and IRAQ definitely did 'profit', but they did not want the money, They wanted the Iraqi Jews to stay in Iraq. I am unsure of Iran's policies at the time, but i imagine they were very similar.


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Ahmadinejad definitely has denied aspects of the Holocaust. i wish that he would travel to Poland and walk though the DEATH CAMPS. But reasonably consider his relationship to the holocaust. Not some shitty article citing the Berlin-Tehran connection.

Ahmadnejad View
1. He has grown up with a regime that his government has NEVER recognized the rulers of 'palestine'. NEVER HAPPENED
2. His people see the palestinians herded into 'camps' themselves and otherwise constricted in there movements.
3. Houses being bulldozed by Israel in the West Bank
4. It is against the law to refute any aspects of the holocaust in most of mainland Europe. By making any discussion illegal, it eliminates the scientific aspects of any study(s) of the actual # killed.


So why would you expect him to say anything that would support any Israeli subject. He sees Israeli's as oppressors of his Muslim brethren, what incentive does he have (at home politically) in supporting any assertion (Even if its true) that Israel has. NONE

His views are bias, based on his own experiences. He does not hate JEWS, he hate IRAELIS & ZIONIST. There are JEWS in the Iranian Parliament. It is MANDATED in the CONSTIUTION that written AFTER the 1979 REVOLUTION.

Why would they mandate Jews in the Parliament if they are the center of Neo-Nazism?

Yet another instance of Yellow Journalism

Ahmanidinjad is Wrong, The Holocaust Happened, but why should he admit it and lose all his politcal power?


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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Luddite]
    #6005827 - 08/28/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Iran hates Jews sooooo much that they have special laws protecting their rights!

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    #6005837 - 08/28/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"In 1941, following Rashid Ali's pro-Axis coup, riots known as the Farhud broke out in Baghdad in which approximately 200 Jews were murdered (some sources put the number higher), and up to 2,000 injured.

Like most Arab League states, Iraq forbade the emigration of its Jews for a few years after the 1948 war on the grounds that allowing them to go to Israel would strengthen that state. However, intense diplomatic pressure brought about a change of mind. At the same time, increasing government oppression of the Jews fueled by anti-Israeli sentiment, together with public expressions of anti-semitism, created an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty."



"Jews were expelled from their homes in Kairouan and were ultimately restricted to ghettos known as hara. Forced to wear distinctive clothing, several Jews earned high positions in the Tunisian government."

"As dhimmi, Jews were typically subjected to several restrictions, the application and severity of which varied by time and place: residency in segregated quarters, obligation to wear distinctive clothing, public subservience to Muslims, prohibitions against proselytizing and marrying Muslim women, and limited access to the legal systems."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands#Iraq

Arabs have a history of anti semitism so it doesn't surprise me. And yes, Europe also has a history of anti semitism but Europe actually DID something about it after Hitler tried to pull an extermination.


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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Luddite]
    #6006000 - 08/28/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I find it amusing that Americans protest the slightest bit of religion penetrating our laws... but they don't speak up about Islamic governments who give people the death penalty who don't follow their religion.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006075 - 08/28/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

really? care to provide examples?

Perhaps these Americans see their own nation and government as more relevent to their lives than some far-away land that they will never have anything to do with. Perhaps these Americans see the problem of anti-democratic regimes as being a problem that can only be solved by the people under those regimes. If the Christian right succeeds in building a theocracy in this nation, I do not expect Canada or Germany or the UN to help me and my countrymen. That is our duty.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Vvellum]
    #6006102 - 08/28/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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bi0 said:
really? care to provide examples?

Perhaps these Americans see their own nation and government as more relevent to their lives than some far-away land that they will never have anything to do with.




Examples of what?

Perhaps some Americans like myself prefer not to see themselves as just "Americans" but as human beings and don't see Iraqis and Persians or Asians or Hispanics as "people in a dar away land" but as brothers of everyone in the world, that thinks everyone deserves to enjoy their right to being able to say, think what you want and believe whatever religion you want.

If don't give a shit about what's going on in a far away land, why bother giving to charities around ther world? I mean, sheesh.. who cares about what happenes to Indonesia two years ago, right? It's such a far away land and has no effect on OUR lives, right?

And by the way, I'm not Christian. I'm against religion meddling in gov't affairs.... hence why I'm against this behavior in the united states AND in the middle east.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006158 - 08/28/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Examples of what?




You seem to suggest there are hordes of American people who are critical of a developing theocracy in the United States but are not concerned with theocracies in other nations. Can you provide examples?

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Perhaps some Americans like myself prefer not to see themselves as just "Americans" but as human beings and don't see Iraqis and Persians or Asians or Hispanics as "people in a dar away land" but as brothers of everyone in the world, that thinks everyone deserves to enjoy their right to being able to say, think what you want and believe whatever religion you want.




Then why did you use the term "Americans"? Who are these people you refer to?

I fully support individual liberty as well. Are you suggesting that I do not?

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If don't give a shit about what's going on in a far away land, why bother giving to charities around ther world? I mean, sheesh.. who cares about what happenes to Indonesia two years ago, right? It's such a far away land and has no effect on OUR lives, right?




Donating to charity as an individual is one thing. A federal government invading other countries under the pretext of "liberty" while at the same time being buddy-buddies with other dictators is another.

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And by the way, I'm not Christian. I'm against religion meddling in gov't affairs.... hence why I'm against this behavior in the united states AND in the middle east.




Ok. So, what is your solution?

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006162 - 08/28/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There's a difference between not caring what other governments do to their people and not being able to do anything about it.


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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: Vvellum]
    #6006197 - 08/28/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Again.. you liberals think this is a black and white world. Just because I think that religion ruling governments int he mideast is wrong.. then I must support toppling them, right? That must mean I'm a dirty conservative that's pro war? If I'm not against the war in the middle east then I must be staunchly for it I guess, huh?

And I never implied hoards of Americans... where in my post did I ever try to say that assloads of people were doing this? I'm just saying there are people in the middle east (Iran, Afghanistan, etc) that are EXECUTED by the gov't because they chose not to believe in Islam.

How can we not give a shit about fellow humans not even having the freedom to THINK what they want? It's sad.. that's all...

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    #6006613 - 08/28/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Again.. you liberals think this is a black and white world. Just because I think that religion ruling governments int he mideast is wrong.. then I must support toppling them, right?




Where did I say this?

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And I never implied hoards of Americans... where in my post did I ever try to say that assloads of people were doing this? I'm just saying there are people in the middle east (Iran, Afghanistan, etc) that are EXECUTED by the gov't because they chose not to believe in Islam.




And you said there are Americans who denounce the right-wing Chrisitian agenda for an American theocracy but whom fail to criticize other theocracies. All I asked for was examples of this and you have yet to provide any.

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    #6006623 - 08/28/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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And you said there are Americans who denounce the right-wing Chrisitian agenda for an American theocracy but whom fail to criticize other theocracies. All I asked for was examples of this and you have yet to provide any.




Do you really want me to get the hundreds of people I met in person that complain about things like the ten commandments in a courtroom and never complain about Afghanistan's strict religious laws to come in here, register nicks, and testify to this?

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006663 - 08/28/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You could provide an essay or political platform or something else online that demonstrates this supposed indifference. If it is really so commonplace, you should not have difficulty finding an example online.

Oh, and, do you assume that speaking out against the Christian right must always include speaking out against other theocracies? Did you even ask them their opinion?

Conversations can be limited by a myrriad of factors. That is why I'd like to see actual, solid examples of how liberals are intentionally uninterested in liberty for all and only interested in liberty in their own nation.

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    #6006689 - 08/28/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Did I make a generalization about all liberals whining about this? No I just said I think it's wrong how some Americans turn a blind eye to extreme government sponsored religious persecution while we bicker about smaller religious matters at home. Why are you getting so defensive? Just do a search on the shroomery here for posts about seperation of religion and state in America. Then do a search and find out how many people are talking about religious persecution in the Muslim world.

Why do I have to start busting out references of people online? Are you just assuming that I'm lying when I say I know plenty of people and have never heard of them complain about people being executed for religious beliefs in Afgahanistan? If you really want to spend your entire night looking up thousands of articles by people writing about how wrong it is to have the ten commandments in a courtroom (which I believe it is) and then look at the lack of articles in comparison on the Internet talking about Afghanistan executing people converting away from the Muslim faith, be my guest. Maybe you have all night. I don't.

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    #6006700 - 08/28/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Did I make a generalization about all liberals whining about this?




Pretty much, yes.

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No I just said I think it's wrong how some Americans turn a blind eye to extreme government sponsored religious persecution while we bicker about smaller religious matters at home.




Perhaps this is due to it being more relevent to us. Perhaps this is due to the limitations of conversation.

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Why do I have to start busting out references of people online?




This is referred to as proof.

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re you just assuming that I'm lying when I say I know plenty of people and have never heard of them complain about people being executed for religious beliefs in Afgahanistan?




I have no idea if you are a liar or not. That is why I ask for proof.

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Why are you getting so defensive?




This is a debate forum. We debate here.

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If you really want to spend your entire night looking up thousands of articles by people writing about how wrong it is to have the ten commandments in a courtroom (which I believe it is) and then look at the lack of articles in comparison on the Internet talking about Afghanistan executing people converting away from the Muslim faith, be my guest. Maybe you have all night. I don't.




If you cannot back up your statements, then dont make them.

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    #6006703 - 08/28/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said.. perfect example..

When the judge refused to take down the ten commandments a couple years back.. every media outlet in America was talking about it for weeks.

A year ago there was a cnn article that appeared for one day about a man in Afghanistan who was to be executed for switching from Islam to Christianity and was trying to get help from the United States. It was on cnn.com for just two days. No one ever brought it up.

In fact... hundreds of people are executed every year in countries like Afghanistan for such crimes.

You tell me.. how many times have you heart of any outcry about this in the mainstream American media?

Now tell me how many times you're heard news about protests about prayer in classrooms or the pledge or what not.

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Re: Iran Nazi holocaust connection [Re: BrAiN]
    #6006709 - 08/28/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mainstream media is not the American people. As for protests, I think it is a matter of relevency to their lives.

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