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once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything.
#6004526 - 08/28/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No one in this feather down society of confort and luxury will willingly revolt against their government, while they have it good. No one will rock the boat if they think they could fall in.
Once we have lost everything we are free to do anything. - a quote from fight club which i have to agree with whole heartedly.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6004569 - 08/28/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unless of course they realise they are on that path. Or think the government did something terrible to there comfort. Like pay (or allow) a top terrorist to get his brain washed minions together, and fly planes into buildings.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: beatnicknick]
#6004943 - 08/28/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well hey when ur ready for that revolution hit me up. u know im down
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: LightShedder]
#6005805 - 08/28/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ditto
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6005872 - 08/28/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Once we have lost everything we are free to do anything. - a quote from fight club which i have to agree with whole heartedly.
But once you have lost everything, what can you really do?
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Catalysis]
#6007575 - 08/29/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Catalysis said: But once you have lost everything, what can you really do?
Be imprisoned, or charge into gun-fire, or stand in front of a tank.
 Peace.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Catalysis]
#6011974 - 08/30/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Catalysis said:
But once you have lost everything, what can you really do?
when you have lost everything, youve got everything to gain
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6012110 - 08/30/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Once we have lost everything, we are powerless to resist.
Thats another way to look at it.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Asante]
#6012113 - 08/30/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Noone is going to do shit about this pretty fucked up political world situation that we are in if they have somthing to loose.
so lets take everyones money, gett em pissed off and send them on the war path?
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6012139 - 08/30/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone who thinks they have nothing left to lose is a fool. Usually, we have to lose the things we take for granted before we realize what a silver platter we had in front of us.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6012436 - 08/30/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
zippoz said: Once we have lost everything we are free to do anything. - a quote from fight club which i have to agree with whole heartedly.
A lot of dudes on the street begging for my change probably had this pearl pass through their minds.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6012529 - 08/30/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you're still alive enough to be thinking that thought, you obviously have something to lose.
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Asante
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Redstorm]
#6012881 - 08/30/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anyone who thinks they have nothing left to lose is a fool. Usually, we have to lose the things we take for granted before we realize what a silver platter we had in front of us.
Quote:
If you're still alive enough to be thinking that thought, you obviously have something to lose.
Unless you are completely preoccupied with the highest degree of suffering, you have something to lose.
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Edited by Asante (08/30/06 06:47 PM)
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Gijith]
#6012946 - 08/30/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gijith said: A lot of dudes on the street begging for my change probably had this pearl pass through their minds.
You know, there are some people who are voluntarily "homeless" and some who actually enjoy that way of life.
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Asante
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: demiu5]
#6013045 - 08/30/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You know, there are some people who are voluntarily "homeless" and some who actually enjoy that way of life.
There are people who enjoy putting an egg up their ass and then laying it, but thats no justification for surprising your girlfriend 
Or in other words: yes, some people are homeless by choice, but they're a small minortity and most homeless are needy.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Asante]
#6014696 - 08/31/06 06:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ultimately, when you have lost everything, you are free to be used by others who will wave "something" around to manipulate you.
Not sure how you will wage war when you have no gun (remember, you lost everything).
 Peace.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6014739 - 08/31/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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While I like the sound of the statement, it simply is not true [most of the time]. In context to the movie (I haven't yet read the book), he is still receiving paychecks and whatnot. He gets a house, food, and beer. Technically, he hasn't lost anything except for the things that made up his past way of life.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: demiu5]
#6014840 - 08/31/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the true intended context is:
"Once you truly stop giving a shit, the world becomes your playground."
This is very true, the world is being ruled for a large part by the people who truly stopped giving a shit. Warmongering dictators don't really care that the youth of their nation is dying iun their war, they're just interested in persuing their objective and are willing to sacrifice other people to their goals.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Asante]
#6014849 - 08/31/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the people at the top care very much, as they have the most to lose(power, money, etc.). I just think they have become so arrogant that they think they can do whatever they want with no consequences. So far they are right for the most part.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6014861 - 08/31/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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they think they can do whatever they want with no consequences. So far they are right for the most part.
I disagree. The consequences are getting ever greater and greater, but like the iceberg that sank the Titanic, its almost all beneath the surface. When it appears to them as a nuisance, it will in reality be a huge problem.
A bit like the French revolution: the people in power were annoyed by the complaints of the poor, but shortly after they realized the problem affected them, they were dragged under the guillotine on every market square.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Asante]
#6014869 - 08/31/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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How long ago was the french revolution? When was the last major revolution, in a major country? I think those days are over.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6014890 - 08/31/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gandhi kicking the British out of India was quite a revolution.
Events are cyclic, there were revolutions, and there will be.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Asante]
#6014909 - 08/31/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It was, but the British were going to be leaving India soon, Gandhi or no Gandhi. I think he just sped up the process.
Also, that is a very different situation you are talking about. That is a foreign government imposing rule, not the domestic one.
I would have liked to see Gandhi overthrow the British government, in Britain.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6015052 - 08/31/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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domestic or not, it was still their government at the time.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Asante]
#6015171 - 08/31/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
Events are cyclic, there were revolutions, and there will be.
Except that now, the powers that be are extremely technologically advanced, while we have guns and that's about it. We don't even have Kevlar. What are we gonna do?
If there's a revolution it will have to be a military coup.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#6015226 - 08/31/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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While I see your point, I disagree. If this revolution were large enough, almost-all-encompassing of citizens, they would not kill us all, because then there would be none left to govern (except if they then tried to take over the world). Unlike many gov'ts, ours exists because we do, without us, our gov't fails.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: demiu5]
#6015392 - 08/31/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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And I agree, they'll turn on us if they have to to take over the world.
Getting a revolution to the point of being "almost-all-encompassing of citizens" is going to be the hard part.
The first ones to revolt will be jailed and labeled criminals, and the rest of the weak, T.V. nourished masses will go back indoors and watch more T.V.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#6015402 - 08/31/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said:
Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
Events are cyclic, there were revolutions, and there will be.
Except that now, the powers that be are extremely technologically advanced, while we have guns and that's about it. We don't even have Kevlar. What are we gonna do?
If there's a revolution it will have to be a military coup.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#6015762 - 08/31/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Except that now, the powers that be are extremely technologically advanced, while we have guns and that's about it. We don't even have Kevlar. What are we gonna do?
If you need kevlar, you're going at it the wrong way 
I don't think you have spent much time on thinking about revolution capability of the American people. The only thing the powers that be have, is successfully intimidated people into believing they are powerless. They did a good job on you too. Wake up to the immense vulnerabilities of the powers that be.
The people can still elect the right people, and if the powers that be won't allow elections anymore thats an open declaration on the people as heard by the population and the UN.
At the moment the US population is moving away from the notion that they can trust their government and its intentions. This is a very visible process. All it needs are some catalyzing events, and the sheer inertia of the masses in motion will be enough to effect change.
The 1960s idea of revolution led by charismatic paramilitaries running around with big bundles of dynamite is a naive image that might work for some banana republics, but not for the US. It is very possible there won't be any confrontations where kevlar or firepower would be needed. Revolution can be entirely boring.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#6015793 - 08/31/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said:
The first ones to revolt will be jailed and labeled criminals, and the rest of the weak, T.V. nourished masses will go back indoors and watch more T.V.
its already happening most of the people just don't know about it because they didn't show it on TV. and about how the world has too much technology u just have to tear it down from the bottom up you cant start at the top its too well defended but take out the bottom the top falls too...
And for the information of anyone who wishes to know what beats Kevlar in revolutionary rock paper scissors is a syringe full of air stops the heart its why cops hate crack heads because they are afraid.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Asante]
#6015889 - 08/31/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Revolutions occur when the government loses touch with their own people. A revolution can easily occur in any country and it honestly doesnt take much. The best way to incur a revolution is to attack the basics of life of the civilians. Revolutions have to be populist in order to survive.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#6016606 - 08/31/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What we need imo, are several communities to go public, and as a whole community, govern themselves, and deny federal law, as its supposed to be.
A renegade state, within the states.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6022092 - 09/02/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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We're working on Colorado. Come November we're all gonna be smoking pot in the streets.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#6024590 - 09/03/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: We're working on Colorado. Come November we're all gonna be smoking pot in the streets.
I dunno, California seems to be working towards some more sweeping changes. Seems to be a prime example of a state that can make some changes despite everyone else!
Peace.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: ZippoZ]
#6030151 - 09/04/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just wanted to point out something to our American friends. You the people have ALL the power. You always have. When the time comes, you will overthrow your government in one giant swoop. Remember that when the truth comes out, there will be few willing to side with the government to defend them. Most people in uniform will join you, not resist you.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: Scratcher]
#6030165 - 09/04/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ha, the troops, would mow the people down in the streets, and Bush, and his trash would try to figure out some way to blame anyone else. thats the way USA works.
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Re: once we have lost everything, we are free to do anything. [Re: rod]
#6038383 - 09/07/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's how it works for now anyway, however that type of shit is hardly sustainable in the long term. So whether it's a homegrown revolution, or arabs that bring it crumbling down, eventually it has to come crumbling down.
All empires eventually fall, always due to corruption.
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