|
Dexter_Morgan
Towlie's Mentor



Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 6,666
Loc: higher than you
|
No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities
#6001464 - 08/27/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Yea or Nay?
-------------------- Uncleluke, getting his assbeat, then he tries to delete it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6355469#Post6355469 Tomato-Faced Banez http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5933438#Post5933438 Dexter's Thesaurus beer = guinness smoke = vaporize pubers = reasons to be pro-choice
|
Phred
Fred's son


Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 4 months
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6001478 - 08/27/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
How about you first define what you mean by "rights" in this context.
Then define what you mean by "nation" in this context. Do you consider "Palestine" a nation, for example, or just Gaza?
Phred
--------------------
|
Dexter_Morgan
Towlie's Mentor



Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 6,666
Loc: higher than you
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: Phred]
#6001690 - 08/27/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
OMG define nation? Do you take exception to the word 'capabilities' <---The most ambiguous word in entire the statement. As far as 'rights'; again, I could look up the UN definition of 'rights' of a 'nation' but, aren't we just splitting hairs?
I do not believe the 'Nation' of Islam (NOI) has the 'rights' to kill the 'white devil' but that is obviously not what i was getting at with the original statement.
Do you think one independent nation has the 'rights' to deprive another independent nation of there 'rights' because of the capabilities of the second nation or lack of capabilities?
That question is at least balanced
-------------------- Uncleluke, getting his assbeat, then he tries to delete it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6355469#Post6355469 Tomato-Faced Banez http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5933438#Post5933438 Dexter's Thesaurus beer = guinness smoke = vaporize pubers = reasons to be pro-choice
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole

Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6001729 - 08/27/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Funny thing about rights, they exist as a consensus, (yeah yeah yeah, I know Phred is Mr. Natural here, but I'm not)
--------------------
|
wilshire
free radical


Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: SE PA
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6001792 - 08/27/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
huh?
|
Dexter_Morgan
Towlie's Mentor



Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 6,666
Loc: higher than you
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: wilshire]
#6001880 - 08/27/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
http://reuters.myway.com/article/2006082...AR-IRAN-DC.html
Aug 26, 9:05 AM (ET)
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (C) inaugurates the Arak heavy-water project 190 km (120...
By Parisa Hafezi
ARAK, Iran (Reuters) - Iran's president launched a new phase in the Arak heavy-water reactor project on Saturday, saying Tehran would not give up its right to nuclear technology despite Western fears it aims to make atomic bombs.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was speaking just days before an August 31 deadline set by the U.N. Security Council for Iran to halt uranium enrichment -- the West's biggest worry in Iran's atomic program -- or face possible sanctions.
"No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities," Ahmadinejad said in his speech to inaugurate the heavy water project.
The Arak project, once complete, will produce plutonium as a by-product that could be used to make atomic warheads. But the reactor that will produce this is still being built.
Western nations accuse Iran of seeking to master technology to produce nuclear weapons. Iran, the world's fourth largest oil exporter, insists it only wants to produce electricity.
"Iran is not a threat to anybody, not even to the Zionist regime," Ahmadinejad said, using Iran's term for its arch-enemy Israel, which the Islamic Republic does not recognize.
Although Iran faces possible sanctions if it does not heed the U.N. deadline, divisions among world powers over how to handle the Islamic republic could delay any action.
The Los Angeles Times reported Washington had indicated it was ready to form an independent coalition to freeze Iranian assets and restrict trade if necessary. Analysts say sanctions imposed by just a few states would have limited impact.
Iran is likely to raise further fears in Western capitals by pressing ahead with the heavy-water project near Arak, 120 miles
southwest of the capital Tehran.
An Iranian official said the project is not a proliferation risk because heavy water has no military use. Diplomats say it is not a constructive step.
"It's not a proliferation risk in itself, but the associated operations -- still to be constructed -- would be. And the timing seems particularly poor," said a Vienna-based diplomat familiar with operations of the U.N. nuclear watchdog in Iran.
NUCLEAR INSPECTORS
The U.N. Security Council resolution setting the August 31 deadline to halt enrichment also cited a call by the U.N. watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), for Iran to reconsider building its heavy water reactor project.
The Arak complex was protected by dozens of anti-aircraft guns and surrounded by a four-meter high barbed wire fence. Photographers and TV journalists were asked not to take any images except in areas where they were specifically permitted.
The head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, Gholamreza Aghazadeh, told the students' ISNA news agency that IAEA inspectors would visit Arak next week.
Inspectors routinely visit Iranian facilities but diplomats say a group was recently denied access to an Iranian underground site. Iran denies hindering routine access but earlier this year stopped allowing snap checks of its facilities by inspectors.
The West's main concern is Iran's program for enriching uranium, a process that can be used to make fuel for nuclear power stations or material for bombs.
But Iran has so far refused to stop the work and shrugged off the threat of sanctions, saying it would push already soaring oil prices higher still, hurting industrial nations.
Iran's deputy parliament speaker, Mohammad Reza Bahonar, warned the West in comments published by Iran's Sharq newspaper on Saturday that putting pressure on the country could prompt public calls for Iran to pursue a weapons program.
"Be afraid of the day that the Iranian nation comes into the streets and stages demonstrations to ask the government to produce nuclear weapons to combat the threats," he said.
Six world powers offered Iran incentives to halt enrichment. But Iran has only hinted it might be ready to consider halting the work as a result of talks, not as a precondition. The reply seemed designed to divide opinion among the six powers.
The United States has warned of swift action on sanctions. Britain, Germany and France have been less conclusive in public. But Russia and China, both trade partners of Iran, have been unwilling and could veto sanctions in the Security Council.
(Additional reporting by Alireza Ronaghi in Tehran, Eric Beech in Washington and Mark Heinrich in Vienna)
Quote:
not even to the Zionist regime," Ahmadinejad said, using Iran's term for its arch-enemy Israel, which the Islamic Republic does not recognize.
^^^Western Bias^^ They are the regime for a 'National Jewish Homeland' aka Zionism, AKA Zionist regime.
Well This is where i got the Thread starter statement. I thought one nation imposing its massive power against another country with out these powers (capabilities) would be obviously be seen as 'bullish' but i guess i am the only one seeing the parallels
-------------------- Uncleluke, getting his assbeat, then he tries to delete it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6355469#Post6355469 Tomato-Faced Banez http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5933438#Post5933438 Dexter's Thesaurus beer = guinness smoke = vaporize pubers = reasons to be pro-choice
|
wilshire
free radical


Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: SE PA
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6002000 - 08/27/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
ok. he's talking about national sovereignty. all governments are illegitimate and there is no such thing as legitimate "national sovereignty" by a government. the current iranian government has as much right calling the shots in iran as the next group of thugs.
|
Dexter_Morgan
Towlie's Mentor



Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 6,666
Loc: higher than you
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: wilshire]
#6002121 - 08/27/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
wilshire said: ok. he's talking about national sovereignty.
Ah, yea.
Quote:
wilshire said: all governments are illegitimate and there is no such thing as legitimate "national sovereignty" by a government.
You actually believe this? You are a true Anarchist if you do, and I can't think of one government that would agree with you. You may have stumbled upon something everyone at the UN could agree on.
Quote:
wilshire said: the current iranian government has as much right calling the shots in iran as the next group of thugs.
Freely Elected Thugs, just like Here in the US! What is the difference?
-------------------- Uncleluke, getting his assbeat, then he tries to delete it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6355469#Post6355469 Tomato-Faced Banez http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5933438#Post5933438 Dexter's Thesaurus beer = guinness smoke = vaporize pubers = reasons to be pro-choice
|
wilshire
free radical


Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: SE PA
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
|
Re: No one can deprive a nation of its rights based on its capabilities [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6002643 - 08/27/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Freely Elected Thugs, just like Here in the US! What is the difference?
our thugs can only rule when less than 50% of those they deem eligible to vote are non-consenting.
individuals are sovereign. governments are not.
|
|