Home | Community | Message Board

MushroomCube.com
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore Cultivation Supplies   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: Andy21]
    #6001103 - 08/27/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Andy21 said:
I could not agree more, although I currently live in England and they have not drafted us since WW2. I was shocked when I lived in America by that 'selective service' thing you need to get financial aid in college.




Actually, you can be arrested and imprisoned if you do not fill out the selective service card. It's not just for financial aid.


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAndy21
Armchairanarchist

Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 288
Last seen: 13 years, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: demiu5]
    #6001112 - 08/27/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is lunacy, someone should ask Bush if America's much vaunted freedom extends to the freedom not to become a murderer.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinewilshire
free radical
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: SE PA
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: Andy21]
    #6001238 - 08/27/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is lunacy, someone should ask Bush if America's much vaunted freedom extends to the freedom not to become a murderer.

...because as we are all aware, the selective service act was bush's idea, he has the power to repeal it any time he wants, and he has reactivated the draft.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAndy21
Armchairanarchist

Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 288
Last seen: 13 years, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: wilshire]
    #6001256 - 08/27/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I never said it was his idea, I posed a hypothetical question. Would an executive order not be sufficient to kill such a program? At least for one presidential term.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinewilshire
free radical
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2,421
Loc: SE PA
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: Andy21]
    #6001359 - 08/27/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i'm not a fan of conscription, and it makes me a little quesy when i hear bush talk of freedom and liberty. i think it's better to keep criticisms as honest and relevent as possible. no one is getting drafted and no one has since the early 70's. the selective service act has been around for 66 years. an executive order cannot explicitly negate an act of congress. that's called a veto, and it's too late for bush to veto the selective service act, passed by congress in 1940, so he has no power over that.

sometimes when i'm searching for torrents over at torrentspy, i see some of the articles and commentary they have posted from shoutwire. most of the political stuff has devolved into the most intellectually void shit throwing fests because there is no one there keeping things honest and relevent, even if it requires playing devil's advocate from time to time. i'm very glad that the shroomery's PAL forum has people on both sides of most issues to keep people from getting sloppy.


--------------------


Edited by wilshire (08/27/06 10:07 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAndy21
Armchairanarchist

Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 288
Last seen: 13 years, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: wilshire]
    #6001375 - 08/27/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I would agree, I do start huffing and puffing as soon as a draft is brought up. It is such an alien concept to my European brain.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: Andy21]
    #6001382 - 08/27/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Andy21 said:
It is such an alien concept to my European brain.




I was under the impression that some European countries required a minimum amount of service in the state's military. :shocked:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAndy21
Armchairanarchist

Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 288
Last seen: 13 years, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6001420 - 08/27/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think Denmark still does, France, Belgium and the Netherlands stopped about 10 years ago. Portugal, Spain and Italy stopped in the last few years. England stopped national military service in the 60's. EDIT Wow I did actualy research and it turns out national service is widespread in mainland Europe. Germany, Greece, Sweden, Norway, Finland Austria all practice it. You learn something every day. :grin:

Edited by Andy21 (08/27/06 12:00 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRedstorm
Prince of Bugs
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/08/02
Posts: 44,175
Last seen: 6 months, 28 days
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: Andy21]
    #6001422 - 08/27/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think Greece does.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male

Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: Andy21]
    #6001424 - 08/27/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Norway still does, the last that I was aware. Of course, Norway isn't exactly "European". :wink:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAndy21
Armchairanarchist

Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 288
Last seen: 13 years, 3 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6001435 - 08/27/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ill correct myself, English Brain.  :wink:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDirtMcgirt
in a pinch
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/20/04
Posts: 2,213
Loc: city of angels
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: downforpot]
    #6001940 - 08/27/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Im' sure you would like that. You're like the people that didn't do anything to stop Hitler and then after the war started there was still opposition to the war.





No I'm not. Stop saying that. WW2 and this conflict draw few parallels. If you can't bring this conflict into its individual context you have no right thinking about it.

I'm like the people who realize that invading and controlling a country of 70 million people with no sympathy for the US and ESPECIALLY isreal is impossible. That would be a sure way to get a nuclear weapon set off somewhere either over in the ME or stateside.

There is no reason to invade Iran even if they get a hold of a Nuke (they already do anyway, IMO). THey will not use it unless somebody invades. Thats common sense. Any country thatwants to survive doesn't go shooting off nukes at other nuclear states. There is no way the US and Israel could invade...sure, we could blow up everything there and leave but then nobody will support us, Iraq will get even worse (shiites), and we, the US, will get stuck with our most useless of allies, Israel.


Quote:


I love this coutry and all it has given me. So sorry, I will kill for my way of life but I guess you would rather be raped.





I will kill for it too. I already suggested we toss people with your outlook off planes. Seems like a start at least. Iran does not threaten our way of life.....

But you and the draft do! Step outside your gated community and look at the country around you. A draft would tear it in half. Nobody will win.

The only raping being done is what your ideology is doing to your logic.


--------------------
"And we, inhabitants of the great coral of the Cosmos, believe the atom (which still we cannot see) to be full matter, whereas, it too, like everything else, is but an embroidery of voids in the Void, and we give the name of being, dense and even eternal, to that dance of inconsistencies, that infinite extension that is identified with absolute Nothingness and that spins from its own non-being the illusion of everything."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledownforpot
Stranger
Male
Registered: 06/25/01
Posts: 5,715
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #6002013 - 08/27/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DirtMcgirt said:
Quote:

Im' sure you would like that. You're like the people that didn't do anything to stop Hitler and then after the war started there was still opposition to the war.





No I'm not. Stop saying that. WW2 and this conflict draw few parallels. If you can't bring this conflict into its individual context you have no right thinking about it.

I'm like the people who realize that invading and controlling a country of 70 million people with no sympathy for the US and ESPECIALLY isreal is impossible. That would be a sure way to get a nuclear weapon set off somewhere either over in the ME or stateside.

There is no reason to invade Iran even if they get a hold of a Nuke (they already do anyway, IMO). THey will not use it unless somebody invades. Thats common sense. Any country thatwants to survive doesn't go shooting off nukes at other nuclear states. There is no way the US and Israel could invade...sure, we could blow up everything there and leave but then nobody will support us, Iraq will get even worse (shiites), and we, the US, will get stuck with our most useless of allies, Israel.


Quote:


I love this coutry and all it has given me. So sorry, I will kill for my way of life but I guess you would rather be raped.





I will kill for it too. I already suggested we toss people with your outlook off planes. Seems like a start at least. Iran does not threaten our way of life.....

But you and the draft do! Step outside your gated community and look at the country around you. A draft would tear it in half. Nobody will win.

The only raping being done is what your ideology is doing to your logic.




Israel is a useless ally? Yea, their military sure does suck, the worst in the world.

People like you will never defend this country and make sure it stays number one. You will run and hide and hope everyone finds peace and happiness.

Toss people like me out of airplanes? People like me are the reason we kicked the ever loving shit out of the mexicans and took their land so that americans can live on it. People like you need to go live in a country that is raped by other countries if you don't like being number 1.


--------------------



http://www.myspace.com/4th25


"And I don't care if he was handcuffed
Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

Edited by downforpot (08/27/06 03:21 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: downforpot]
    #6002077 - 08/27/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

downforpot said:
Toss people like me out of airplanes? People like me are the reason we kicked the ever loving shit out of the mexicans and took their land so that americans can live on it. People like you need to go live in a country that is raped by other countries if you don't like being number 1.




So wait, let me get this straight: You have no problems taking land from other humans, other brothers...our exact same species, just so we can continue to grow just a little bit more than we already didn't need to?

I think America being "#1" is debatable. It all depends on how you look at it and what considers making a country number one.


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
Exposer of Truth
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 13,673
Loc: Smokey Mtns. TN Flag
Last seen: 7 years, 12 days
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: demiu5]
    #6002116 - 08/27/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Guys can we stay on topic please. If you want to make a moral thread regarding what your talking about. The topic of this thread should stick to the title.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledownforpot
Stranger
Male
Registered: 06/25/01
Posts: 5,715
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: demiu5]
    #6002127 - 08/27/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I have no problem with doing exactly that.

What's the definition of a number #1 country? Power, wealth, influence, military, economy, education. Now education is currently a problem in the USA, we have a lot of retards that don't know what is going on in the world.


Are you also telling me that other species don't fight amongst themselves? Let me guess, you are gonna say that we are more advanced than other species? Right? Yea, we are and for all of human history we have continued to kill eachother and other species. We might build a skyscraper, send a man to the moon but we have always maintained our instinct to survive and make we sure we are number 1.

By the way, I am not saying that the world should be like this, I AM SHOWING HOW IT IS. I wish the world was peaceful 24/7. I wish everyone was friends with eachother, I wish there was no such thing as murder, rape, pillage, suicide, etc etc. I am living in reality, are you?


--------------------



http://www.myspace.com/4th25


"And I don't care if he was handcuffed
Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

Edited by downforpot (08/27/06 04:06 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
Exposer of Truth
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 13,673
Loc: Smokey Mtns. TN Flag
Last seen: 7 years, 12 days
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6002133 - 08/27/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Red, I share your concern......however we disagree on political issues....this my friend, is turning out some revelations.....whats that saying go...????... the Chinese Proverbs about living in interesting times??????????




We may disagree on political issues but i know one thing we can agree on is the Greatness of our country... Maybe not politically but the people and the beauty of the land and countryside.

It brings a tear to my eye to see this great land being ran into the dirt.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
Exposer of Truth
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 13,673
Loc: Smokey Mtns. TN Flag
Last seen: 7 years, 12 days
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6002204 - 08/27/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ive been discovering a lot of wierd stuff its really not adding up.

Apparently Israeli and Coalition troops have been training Kurdish operatives to attack Iran. Sounds like Israel has been planting moles in Iraqi politics especially the Kurds. Their is a lot of high level Iraqi politicians that are jewish and have changed their names.

Strange things are happening and i cant put my finger on it at all.

Ive been hearing Mara Salvatrucha have been smuggling in weapons and sleeper cells consisting of Hezbollah,Iranian intelligence,and Al Qaeda and other possible subversives.

Islamic radicals have set up recruitment offices in major prisons and are allying themselves with local gangs. Mainly organizations out of the Chicago syndicate... The peoples nation or the Folk Nation. Militant black gangs.

Iran is defintely going to sabotage the oil systems and they have stopped buying foreign weapons systems and are now producing their own. Most of them very high tech that consist of Solid Rocket fuel missiles with radar jamming and radio frequency guided munitions. Surface to sea missiles,High tech radar jamming RPGs,and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles that have been tested out by Hezbollah. Also unlimited amounts of Fajr-3s and NK copies of the Nodong 1 and 2... The Shahab 1-5.

Ive been told by my friend who happens to be very high level in Marine Counter-Terrorism that right now they are spending a lot of time gathering intelligence on Irans Enrichment facilities. Some of these facilites were built in the 1950s for the Shah of Iran by USA.CIA has been in cooperation with the Israeli Mossad on finding the facilities.

China's export economy will likely collapse by the sabotage of oil from the Persian gulf which could possibly collapse their economy. For China to protect this they have threatened Military Action against the USA. Israel will defenitely be involved in this mess as well.

Venezuela also has some shit planned and their has been a lot of elbow rubbing with Iranian and Hezbollah militants showing his solidarity of with Islam. Also he has been purchasing aircraft from China and Iran and Attack Helicopters. He defenitely has shit planned.

Possibly their could be Iraqi backlash by militant cleric Moqtada al Sadr and he (i think) could likely stage a uprising.

Iranian Frogmen will also sabotage every Oil Refinery in the Persian gulf and will likely launch attacks against oil rich nations like Qatar and Kuwait which are in close proximity. This could unleash devestating effects.

I honestly dont think this will boil over and I think we are on a crash course with Militant Islam.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole

Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6002276 - 08/27/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not for nothing Red, and I certainly agree with you about the Islamist threat, but you seem to be a tad alarmist (better than pollyannaish but still not productive to rational decision making). You have these mystical sources here and an utterly nonsensical source in another thread about Turks bombing Iraq. What's the deal? Who are you talking to? Inquiring minds want to know.

I am not worried about the Iranian threat in any kind of existential way. They are stupid and will overstep and we will crush them. The French and UN will whine but they haven't a big enough clit to matter and keep impeaching themselves anyway (see this for another beautiful example of UN fecklessness, if not outright criminality
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/622bqwjn.asp
"DURING THE RECENT month-long war between Hezbollah and Israel, U.N. "peacekeeping" forces made a startling contribution: They openly published daily real-time intelligence, of obvious usefulness to Hezbollah, on the location, equipment, and force structure of Israeli troops in Lebanon.")


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledownforpot
Stranger
Male
Registered: 06/25/01
Posts: 5,715
Re: Guys i just gotta say. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6002278 - 08/27/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh def. We have been on a crash course with militant Islam for a long ass time. People just to need to realize this and get ready for a nasty war.


--------------------



http://www.myspace.com/4th25


"And I don't care if he was handcuffed
Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: North Spore Cultivation Supplies   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
Buddha5254 14,141 133 11/08/02 11:01 AM
by Innvertigo
* Israel v Palestine: who is right?
( 1 2 3 all )
Phalanxx 3,827 50 06/10/03 03:36 PM
by Phalanxx
* Israel
( 1 2 3 all )
mm. 5,705 58 12/17/01 11:04 AM
by MAIA
* A view of American Foreign Policy Ped 1,214 8 09/09/03 06:11 PM
by afoaf
* Israel Oil nugsarenice 873 7 06/24/02 09:37 PM
by nugsarenice
* PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!!
( 1 2 3 all )
Teiro 6,297 51 10/29/02 10:16 AM
by Innvertigo
* palestine vs isreal
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )
arabmobster 13,269 174 04/09/03 06:30 PM
by Pennywise
* Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Zahid 5,436 73 08/07/03 02:03 PM
by d33p

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
1,949 topic views. 3 members, 3 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.035 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 15 queries.