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some questions about sclerotia.
    #5999281 - 08/26/06 06:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

1-is it really the easiest way for beginners?
2-how many cc's of spore solution per 1 quart jar?
3-how many grams does it take for a 200 pound man to trip?
4-no attention necessary...just set it and forget it?
5-if it's this easy why isn't everyone doing it this way?

I've done cakes with success ,however found it too much work and it took around 3 months in the end anyway...so 4 months isn't a problem for me.
To me it seems the way to go ...stealth,very little effort...what am i missing here...whats the catch?
I'm aware the 2/3 potency to fruit bodies, so just eat 1/3 more.

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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: Helltick]
    #5999305 - 08/26/06 06:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

1.  possibly, yes
2.  2cc per jar is fine
3.  wet = 20 grams or so.  dry = 6 grams or so.
*keep in mind, when wet, sclerotia is still 30% dry.
this makes them more potent wet, but less potent dry than cubes*
DON'T TRUST MY DOSAGE ADVICE.
take it as a guess at best.
4.  some attention needed, like temperature.  But not much.
just follow a tek from this site and you'll be fine.
5.  I don't know.  I think it's fun.
It is slow, no fruits, end product is less potent, lower yield, etc...

edit:  dosage amounts.  :blazed:


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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: monstermitch]
    #5999316 - 08/26/06 06:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

really? over an once of dry sclerotia to trip?
I might rethink this.


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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: Helltick]
    #5999337 - 08/26/06 06:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I edited the dosage amounts.
I happen to have way too many pan cyans in me right now.

My brain is moving slightly faster than I know what to do with.
I think the adjusted amounts sound more rational.

I would wait for a second opinion from someone sober.



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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: Helltick]
    #6000588 - 08/27/06 03:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

5-10g dry.

I would equate 5g sclerotia to 3g cubes; and 10g sclerotia to 5 or 6g cubes. Just through observations.


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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: shymanta]
    #6000948 - 08/27/06 09:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Fresh mexicana sclerotia by weight is considerably more potent than fresh cubensis by weight. The rocks are dense and heavy. 20 to 30 grams of fresh sclerotia isn't that much. It won't be more than half a golf ball in size, which is easy to eat. They also have a taste and texture similar to almonds.

It really doesn't take four months either, although the stones will get a bit larger if you give them longer to grow. A good strain will begin producing sclerotia at full colonization. I've harvested them from quart jars after 8 weeks.

You really do just set them on a shelf and forget they're there. Nothing could be easier. I've found that using weak coffee to hydrate the grass seed or rye berries results in faster sclerotia production.
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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6001104 - 08/27/06 11:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I too agree with the weak coffee hydration.
I always use it, and it does speed things up.

If you have a sterile jar, and a sterile procedure for inoculation,
and if you keep your filter material dry, you have little to worry about.

keep in mind to colonize (incubate) mexicana at lower temps than cubes.

I have cube jars (bags actually) in an 80 degree room.
I have mexicana jars/bags in a room that is 74-77 degrees.

if you go up to 85 with mexicana jars, you could have trouble.
they are slightly less tolerant of the heat.

hold on... I have the chart somewhere...



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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: monstermitch]
    #6001219 - 08/27/06 12:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks guys...what do you mean by keep the filter dry?
I plan on using tyvek house wrap,do I cover the jars with tyvek after removing from pc? or can i wrap the jars then pc?

Also is 1 cc enough per 1 quart jar?

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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: Helltick]
    #6001265 - 08/27/06 12:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

1 cc is fine.

I suggest the following for grain lids:

place the metal lid on the jar, rubber up or down, doesn't matter.

this lid should be altered... it should have a few 1/16" holed drilled in it.

on top of the lid, place the tyvek.
screw it down tight with the metal band, then back off the band 1/4 turn.

the jar will breath through the small holes.
the tyvek will stay dry, being above the lid
-> meaning when you shake the grain, the grains cannot fit through
the small holes to get the the tyvek and wet it.

if your tyvek gets wet, contaminates can wick in through the moisture
to the substrate below.

here are some teks that are still in the works,
they will give you a visual idea of what I mean.

Lids

Spawn preparation


for sclerotia, I would use rye grass seed or rye berries in place of the
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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: monstermitch]
    #6001294 - 08/27/06 01:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Wow...you answered everything I was uncertain of.
Your lid tek is awesome.
Thankyou very much!


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Re: some questions about sclerotia. [Re: Helltick]
    #6001302 - 08/27/06 01:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

no problem.

keep in mind those teks are incomplete and awaiting pictures,
better descriptions and refinement.


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