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Online guide: Killing 'infidels'
    #5998539 - 08/26/06 07:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Online guide: Killing 'infidels'

Islamic website offers tips on killing foreigners in Saudi Arabia, tells potential attackers murdering foreigners easier than they think

Ynetnews
Published: 08.24.06, 12:51


The Islamic al-Khasba website has published on August 4 a document titled "How to Kill a Crusader on the Arabian Peninsula," The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) reported.


The document details several possible ways to kill western victims and provides tips on selecting them, following them, and finally murdering them.


The Islamic guide urges the potential attacker to pray before embarking on his mission so that God leads him in the right path. Assailants are also instructed to change their appearance as much as possible in order to ensure they do not appear to be religious – this includes a recommendation for a clean shave.


Similarly, the guide recommends that the Jihad attacker get rid of any items in his car that could point to his religious beliefs, such
as Jihad tapes.

"The most important thing is that the car has nothing that points to its owner being a religious person," the document says, "…so that if the dogs of the interrogation or emergency (apparatuses) or others arrest you in a suspicious place and search your car, they will not find anything that proves you're a religious person and release you immediately."

'Good knife to butcher infidel'

Another important tip: "In order to carry out the mission when the time comes you must possess a weapon (a handgun or a submachine gun), or a good knife, if you're interested in butchering the infidel, or this (Saudi) dog…"


The online guide also offers tips on surveillance and recommends that attackers observe non-Muslim communities early in the morning, while making sure to only pass through once to avoid raising the suspicions of the "army dogs at the gates."


The document notes that foreigners these days feel safer because of the minimal number of attacks in recent time, but warns: "The Jihadist wave is approaching and Allah will hide this from them."


When it comes to killing "infidels," the guides recommends that attackers first forge an ID card in order to rent a vehicle. It also advises attackers to kill foreigners far away from work in case the assailant works in the same company, in order to avoid becoming a suspect.


Later, attackers are instructed to plan an escape route in advance and be careful not to tell anyone about the murder. The guide also encourages killers to record their act so it can be presented in the media and enjoy wider resonance.


"After the mission succeeds you'll realize this is very simple and there's no need for a whole cell (to do it,) one, two, or three people are enough," the guide concludes.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3295242%2C00.html
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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Luddite]
    #5999570 - 08/26/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

All arabs must be terrorists! Thank you for this warning, friend!


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6000451 - 08/26/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps someone could post a Nation of Islam article about how bad white supremacy is in America?


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6001041 - 08/27/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
All arabs must be terrorists! Thank you for this warning, friend!




You obviously don't know too much about Arabs. Most Arab Americans are Christian. Also, not all muslims are Arab.

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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Luddite]
    #6001064 - 08/27/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Luddite said:
Also, not all muslims are Arab.




Stop the presses!  :eek:

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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Luddite]
    #6001275 - 08/27/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Luddite said:
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alpharedecho said:
All arabs must be terrorists! Thank you for this warning, friend!




You obviously don't know too much about Arabs. Most Arab Americans are Christian. Also, not all muslims are Arab.




I'm pretty sure he was being facious, although his statements in other PAL forums is some what contradictory.



And i did look for a Nation Of Islam article, but i couldn't find any.

You do not see the conflict of interest citing a Jewish new agency article about radical arabs and there guides to 'killing infidels'?


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6001432 - 08/27/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ShroomDr said:



You do not see the conflict of interest citing a Jewish new agency article about radical arabs and there guides to 'killing infidels'?




There is no conflict of interest issue when you report facts except vis a vis the facts you choose to report. At any rate, if you had gone to the link you would have noticed that YNET linked to a MEMRI article which quoted the document extensively.
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD126306.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe that this document is fictitious. Do you? And if so, what is that reason?

What's that saying? You have a right to your own opinion, you do not have a right to your own facts? Something like that, I'm sure


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Luddite]
    #6004167 - 08/28/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Meh I want to download the original manuscript (if there's an English version)
Anyone got a link?


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Asante]
    #6004222 - 08/28/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Seuss]
    #6004299 - 08/28/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

its after reading shit like that that makes me think we should release todays ted bundies and ramirezes and give them one way free for all tickets to places like that and let them run amok


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6004340 - 08/28/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

There is no conflict of interest issue when you report facts except vis a vis the facts you choose to report. At any rate, if you had gone to the link you would have noticed that YNET linked to a MEMRI article which quoted the document extensively.
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD126306.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe that this document is fictitious. Do you? And if so, what is that reason?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMRI#Criticism_and_Praise

MEMRI is a lobiest group for the pro-israeli journalism

I'm not saying that article is not true. What i am saying is i could find a Neo-Nazi paper about about the 4-8 Jews celebrating on the NYC rooftop after the planes hit the towers on 9-11

IT would be true, but its a bad source, because of the anamosity between the groups.

MEMRI had CNN among other new agency's change 'Israeli settlements' changed to 'Israeli neighborhoods' Doesn't Neighborhood sound a lot better than settlements?

We are not settling on there lands, we are starting our own neighborhoods, on the high ground, sporadically throughout the West Bank.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: quiver]
    #6004342 - 08/28/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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quiver said:
its after reading shit like that that makes me think we should release todays ted bundies and ramirezes and give them one way free for all tickets to places like that and let them run amok




Thats exactly what they want you to think


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6004376 - 08/28/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

SO if i type up a blog about killing A-Rabs, do you think CNN, AP, or Rueters will add me to there News stories?  And what would be the difference?

Why sould anyone report on internet blogs?  (I know CNN already does  :drgonz:, and it sucks)

Let Rueters go to OTD, i'm sure there is an intersting story there, just not one worth a write up.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6004385 - 08/28/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Do you or do you not have any evidence to support the notion that this is a fabricated document? You know, fabricated, like most of the news reports have been about how the Israelis indiscriminately bombed the shit out of babies and children in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. I hope you are aware of those beauties. If not, go here for a fairly comprehensive roundup of Pallywood's latest and greatest hits.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
Click on any of the entries at the top of the page in the green box. Hell, click on all of them. Then get back to me about media sanitization to support Israel.

And now, I reiterate, do you have any reason to believe that this is a fake, other than that MEMRI translated it and you don't like MEMRI? Because if it is fake surely someone will have jumped on it by now. Otherwise, quit apologizing for murderers and take them at their word when they say they want to kill you.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6004394 - 08/28/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

MEMRI translates into English articles and commentary and videos and such which appear in the Arabic-speaking press. That's it, that's all.

MEMRI's translations appear with the original source material. Any Arabic speaker is therefore free to point out any errors in translation that MEMRI might make. I have yet to see any such error pointed out by anyone.

Care to explain how translating articles from one language to another qualifies as "lobbying"?


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6004450 - 08/28/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

ShroomDr said:



You do not see the conflict of interest citing a Jewish new agency article about radical arabs and there guides to 'killing infidels'?




There is no conflict of interest issue when you report facts except vis a vis the facts you choose to report. At any rate, if you had gone to the link you would have noticed that YNET linked to a MEMRI article which quoted the document extensively.
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD126306.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe that this document is fictitious. Do you? And if so, what is that reason?

What's that saying? You have a right to your own opinion, you do not have a right to your own facts? Something like that, I'm sure




The question that follows then is "so fucking what?".

It's about as worthwhile as posting stuff by the Unabomber or Tim Mcveigh.

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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6004587 - 08/28/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Do you or do you not have any evidence to support the notion that this is a fabricated document?  You know, fabricated, like most of the news reports have been about how the Israelis indiscriminately bombed the shit out of babies and children in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.  I hope you are aware of those beauties.  If not, go here for a fairly comprehensive roundup of Pallywood's latest and greatest hits.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
Click on any of the entries at the top of the page in the green box.  Hell, click on all of them.  Then get back to me about media sanitization to support Israel.

And now, I reiterate, do you have any reason to believe that this is a fake, other than that MEMRI translated it and you don't like MEMRI?  Because if it is fake surely someone will have jumped on it by now.  Otherwise, quit apologizing for murderers and take them at their word when they say they want to kill you.




Where did i say the report was a fabricated document?



Quote:

zappaisgod said:Otherwise, quit apologizing for murderers and take them at their word when they say they want to kill you.



where do i apologize for anyone?  Ignorant is Ignorant, some idiot preaching Muslim superiority (infidels are 'non-believers) why should i lend more credence to them than a white (KKK) or black (NOI)supremists group?  Why don't they write about the KKK or NOI blogs?

Have you ever heard of William Randolf Hearst?

Yellow Journalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Journalism
But i guess that type of thing would not happen in the 21st century :rolleyes:

Have you ever seen the movie 'Thank You For Smoking'?
Lobbyist are there to pursue there cause, not be reasonable, not to benefit the public, to push there agenda.  There are there to rip wholes in anyone's agenda that does not further there own.  The do not need to prove anything, just cast doubt in 'the other options'

Saying the Palestinians mounted a resistance in the Israeli settlements, sound somewhat reasonable.

Saying Islamic terrorist/militants attacked an Israeli neighborhood sound a lot more pro Israel doesn't it?


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You know, fabricated, like most of the news reports have been about how the Israelis indiscriminately bombed the shit out of babies and children in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.  I hope you are aware of those beauties.



So you regonzize Yellow Journalism only on one side? :rolleyes:

I get it all, I try to look the the ENTIRE picture.  You obvously believe that the Muslim news agencies lie & exagerate to there own populations(claims of killing more Iraelis, shooting them all in the back, because they were running in fear :rolleyes:), why do you find it so hard to believe the same thing happens here?


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6004628 - 08/28/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

here, i think this a muslim students blog in Georgia USA

http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=3989&CategoryId=21
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Terminology is a very powerful tool. Many examples regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict will reflect the bias and distortion of information, which can change perceptions and form opinions that are in sync with those who can afford to influence them. The so-called “security fence” is in fact an annexation and expansion wall. The militants or as they are now more commonly and frequently known as “terrorist” that attack Israeli military tanks bent on destroying Palestinian homes, are in fact defending their people and have an inalienable and internationally recognized right to resist attacks on their homes and neighborhoods. Illegal Jewish settlements, or more accurately colonies, are in fact built on stolen Palestinian property against international laws and inhabited by terrorist, racist ideologically fanatical armed settlers; they are not civilian Jewish “neighborhoods” or “communities.” Presenting them as such is not only a distortion of the truth harming the Palestinians; it is in fact a distortion of truth that is harming Israel and the friends of Israel who are turning these stereotypes into influential prejudices. The Israeli military establishment has been tactfully labeled the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces), giving the image of being merely on the defensive, never the offensive. However, it is far more suitable to label them the IOF, since even Sharon has recognized that what the Israeli army is embarked on is an occupation. Barak’s last minute 2000 offer, at Camp David, to save his faltering political career has been labeled and often only known as Barak’s generous offer, I suppose a spider-web of a state on 15% of historical Palestine is what the media refers to when they speak of his generosity! The biggest irony, a joke really, is Bush oft-cited remark that Sharon is a “man of peace.” It is reassuring to know that murdering war criminals (found guilty at least indirectly in their own country) can redeem themselves so easily to the US administration. Shame! To drive the point further Sharon has opposed every single peace agreement even the one with Egypt in1979. The press has a responsibility to expose these lies and not repeat them under the guise of ‘fair and balanced’ reporting. With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly. The Press should have a responsibility to represent the voiceless and to challenge legitimacy of a government’s version of a story, placing things in perspective and not allowing the foe to be the judge or equate the occupier and the occupied with the same party.




Again, This is from a Muslim FYI


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6004720 - 08/28/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomDr said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Do you or do you not have any evidence to support the notion that this is a fabricated document?  You know, fabricated, like most of the news reports have been about how the Israelis indiscriminately bombed the shit out of babies and children in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.  I hope you are aware of those beauties.  If not, go here for a fairly comprehensive roundup of Pallywood's latest and greatest hits.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
Click on any of the entries at the top of the page in the green box.  Hell, click on all of them.  Then get back to me about media sanitization to support Israel.

And now, I reiterate, do you have any reason to believe that this is a fake, other than that MEMRI translated it and you don't like MEMRI?  Because if it is fake surely someone will have jumped on it by now.  Otherwise, quit apologizing for murderers and take them at their word when they say they want to kill you.




Where did i say the report was a fabricated document?




You questioned it's veracity based on the sourcing.  Do you or do you not have any reason to doubt it and if so please produce it.  It's that simple?
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zappaisgod said:Otherwise, quit apologizing for murderers and take them at their word when they say they want to kill you.



where do i apologize for anyone?  Ignorant is Ignorant, some idiot preaching Muslim superiority (infidels are 'non-believers) why should i lend more credence to them than a white (KKK) or black (NOI)supremists group?  Why don't they write about the KKK or NOI blogs?




Is this or is this not what they say?  Anybody else's bile has not a damn thing to do with this bile.  It is incredibly fatuous to expect that any report of one horror has to include a report of every other horror
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Have you ever heard of William Randolf Hearst?

Yellow Journalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Journalism
But i guess that type of thing would not happen in the 21st century :rolleyes:

Have you ever seen the movie 'Thank You For Smoking'?
Lobbyist are there to pursue there cause, not be reasonable, not to benefit the public, to push there agenda.  There are there to rip wholes in anyone's agenda that does not further there own.  The do not need to prove anything, just cast doubt in 'the other options'




Fucking great book, haven't seen the movie.  I know what lobbyists do and I also know that there are lobbyists on both sides and that they are part of free speech.  Do you know these things, or do you just want only your position heard to the exclusion of all others?
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Saying the Palestinians mounted a resistance in the Israeli settlements, sound somewhat reasonable.

Saying Islamic terrorist/militants attacked an Israeli neighborhood sound a lot more pro Israel doesn't it?





You say tomayto, I say tomahto
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Quote:

zappaisgod said:
You know, fabricated, like most of the news reports have been about how the Israelis indiscriminately bombed the shit out of babies and children in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.  I hope you are aware of those beauties.



So you regonzize Yellow Journalism only on one side? :rolleyes:

I get it all, I try to look the the ENTIRE picture.  You obvously believe that the Muslim news agencies lie & exagerate to there own populations(claims of killing more Iraelis, shooting them all in the back, because they were running in fear :rolleyes:), why do you find it so hard to believe the same thing happens here?




If the best you can come up with in response to fabricated, as opposed to lightly massaged, news coverage is this then you are really just basicly destroyed.  Pallywood and it's enablers make up facts, settlements/neighborhoods is semantics, and their doesn't seem to be any shortage of main stream American news sources still calling them settlements.  So that aint such a strong lobby, is it?

Muslim news agencies?  No, man, go check out what I sent you to.  It's AP and Reuters, willing dupes.  As to this, "claims of killing more Iraelis, shooting them all in the back, because they were running in fear :rolleyes:"  I have no idea what you are talking about.  Perhaps you can find an example for me.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6004735 - 08/28/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here is another website.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Talks about how many ilraeli houses have been bulldosed, UN resolutions, prisoners held by the other side, unemployment rates, and settlements/'neiborhoods built. All things that both side would agree on.
Forget the causulites and deaths numbers, as they are highly debated.

I will try to find the 'peace deal' map that Israel offered. Its a joke.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6004752 - 08/28/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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here, i think this a muslim students blog in Georgia USA

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Terminology is a very powerful tool. Many examples regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict will reflect the bias and distortion of information, which can change perceptions and form opinions that are in sync with those who can afford to influence them. The so-called “security fence” is in fact an annexation and expansion wall. The militants or as they are now more commonly and frequently known as “terrorist” that attack Israeli military tanks bent on destroying Palestinian homes, are in fact defending their people and have an inalienable and internationally recognized right to resist attacks on their homes and neighborhoods. Illegal Jewish settlements, or more accurately colonies, are in fact built on stolen Palestinian property against international laws and inhabited by terrorist, racist ideologically fanatical armed settlers; they are not civilian Jewish “neighborhoods” or “communities.” Presenting them as such is not only a distortion of the truth harming the Palestinians; it is in fact a distortion of truth that is harming Israel and the friends of Israel who are turning these stereotypes into influential prejudices. The Israeli military establishment has been tactfully labeled the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces), giving the image of being merely on the defensive, never the offensive. However, it is far more suitable to label them the IOF, since even Sharon has recognized that what the Israeli army is embarked on is an occupation. Barak’s last minute 2000 offer, at Camp David, to save his faltering political career has been labeled and often only known as Barak’s generous offer, I suppose a spider-web of a state on 15% of historical Palestine is what the media refers to when they speak of his generosity! The biggest irony, a joke really, is Bush oft-cited remark that Sharon is a “man of peace.” It is reassuring to know that murdering war criminals (found guilty at least indirectly in their own country) can redeem themselves so easily to the US administration. Shame! To drive the point further Sharon has opposed every single peace agreement even the one with Egypt in1979. The press has a responsibility to expose these lies and not repeat them under the guise of ‘fair and balanced’ reporting. With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly. The Press should have a responsibility to represent the voiceless and to challenge legitimacy of a government’s version of a story, placing things in perspective and not allowing the foe to be the judge or equate the occupier and the occupied with the same party.




Again, This is from a Muslim FYI




They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust. They do not have a right to their facts, which is what Pallywood regularly lies about. This is different. The press's only obligation is to restrict itself to report facts, and only facts, accurately. The rest, i.e. editorials and opinions, is their right, but not by any stretch their obligation.

I eagerly await your and Muhammed al Fuckface's endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts. Actual facts.

Just one piece of stupidity from this asshole's screed:
"With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly."
This moron obviously does not read the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, all 3 of which have excoriated Bush relentlessly for "Cowboy Diplomacy." Once again, you have a right to an opinion, not facts, and this asshole's stating of some imaginary complaint does not in the least make it so. He is, in fact, a liar and this "statement of fact" is anything but.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6004846 - 08/28/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You questioned it's veracity based on the sourcing.  Do you or do you not have any reason to doubt it and if so please produce it.  It's that simple? 



Again I state
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Perhaps someone could post a Nation of Islam article about how bad white supremacy is in America?



It might be true, but thats a shitty source of info.  I'm not saying its not true, im saying that I believe the regurgitation of Islamic hate, by a Israeli newsorce is CRAP, complete CRAP.  Not Journalism, Sensationalism.



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Fucking great book, haven't seen the movie.  I know what lobbyists do and I also know that there are lobbyists on both sides and that they are part of free speech.  Do you know these things, or do you just want only your position heard to the exclusion of all others?





You are getting very good at putting words in my mouth. :thumbdown:
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Saying the Palestinians mounted a resistance in the Israeli settlements, sound somewhat reasonable.

Saying Islamic terrorist/militants attacked an Israeli neighborhood sound a lot more pro Israel doesn't it?





You say tomayto, I say tomahto 




You say war crimes, i say 'just following orders'.  Its not just sematincs, they are ILLEGAL settlements, Settlement being defined as: a place that has been settled.  Israel is not allowed to 'settle' these lands, yet the continue to build there 'neighborhoods'.  its not just 'You say tomayto, I say tomahto'

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If the best you can come up with in response to fabricated, as opposed to lightly massaged, news coverage is this then you are really just basicly destroyed.  Pallywood and it's enablers make up facts, settlements/neighborhoods is semantics, and their doesn't seem to be any shortage of main stream American news sources still calling them settlements.  So that aint such a strong lobby, is it?




Where do they call them 'settlements'

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Muslim news agencies?  No, man, go check out what I sent you to.  It's AP and Reuters, willing dupes.  As to this, "claims of killing more Iraelis, shooting them all in the back, because they were running in fear :rolleyes:I have no idea what you are talking about.  Perhaps you can find an example for me.



Al-Manar claimed that Hezbollah shot a lot of IDF in the back,  I'm not condoning it or even believing it for a minute, It is hopefully a lot less accurate than our western media.  But it is obviously Yellow Journalism.

So at the risk of putting words in your mouth, do you believe that the US is not capable of yellow journalism?


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6004895 - 08/28/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust.




Opinion of the UN and EVERYBODY EXEPT ISRAEL
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The press's only obligation is to restrict itself to report facts, and only facts, accurately. 



Again I point to Yellow Jornalism.  There 'obligation', have you ever heard of someone not living up to there obligations?
Yellow Jornalism

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I eagerly await your and Muhammed al Fuckface's endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts.  Actual facts.




Such an enlightened and open-minded statement :rolleyes:  i already gave you the settlement vs neighborhood example.  i guess your facts come at the end of a bayonet
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Just one piece of stupidity from this asshole's screed:
"With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly."
This moron obviously does not read the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, all 3 of which have excoriated Bush relentlessly for "Cowboy Diplomacy."  Once again, you have a right to an opinion, not facts, and this asshole's stating of some imaginary complaint does not in the least make it so.  He is, in fact, a liar and this "statement of fact" is anything but.




when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism.  What does pointing GWB shortcommings have to do with zionism?


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6005002 - 08/28/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You questioned it's veracity based on the sourcing.  Do you or do you not have any reason to doubt it and if so please produce it.  It's that simple? 



Again I state
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Perhaps someone could post a Nation of Islam article about how bad white supremacy is in America?



It might be true, but thats a shitty source of info.  I'm not saying its not true, im saying that I believe the regurgitation of Islamic hate, by a Israeli newsorce is CRAP, complete CRAP.  Not Journalism, Sensationalism.




Might be a shitty source?  Ok, let's go.  Find a source that denies it.  Either that or just shut the fuck up and admit that it's accurate.  If John Lovitz told me that the sun rose in the East it wouldn't make it any less true.  This is now two days old.  Don't you think CAIR would be all over this as a Zionist lie if it wasn't true?  Come on, man, get a fucking clue.

And you find your own NOI article.  I fail to see the relevance to your denial of an obvious fact, the existence of this murderous Islamic screed, which you have failed utterly to discredit.  Failed, as in didn't do it.  As in just basicly hewing to a predetermined agenda with no facts to back it up.  "Give me facts or give me silence."  Patrick Henry.  Or maybe it was just me.  Who cares?
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Fucking great book, haven't seen the movie.  I know what lobbyists do and I also know that there are lobbyists on both sides and that they are part of free speech.  Do you know these things, or do you just want only your position heard to the exclusion of all others?





You are getting very good at putting words in my mouth. :thumbdown:




Asking a question does not constitute putting words in your mouth?  At all.  Although it is what one would call a loaded question.  Designed to point out hypocracy.  Not really expecting an answer.
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Saying the Palestinians mounted a resistance in the Israeli settlements, sound somewhat reasonable.

Saying Islamic terrorist/militants attacked an Israeli neighborhood sound a lot more pro Israel doesn't it?





You say tomayto, I say tomahto 




You say war crimes, i say 'just following orders'.  Its not just sematincs, they are ILLEGAL settlements, Settlement being defined as: a place that has been settled.  Israel is not allowed to 'settle' these lands, yet the continue to build there 'neighborhoods'.  its not just 'You say tomayto, I say tomahto'




No, my friend, I don't think they are illegal settlements in that they were won in a war of defense.  Quite a great many people agree with me.  Some of them have the power to veto UN resolutions to that effect.  Israel wouldn't have troop one on the West Bank if they had not been attacked in '69 and '73.
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If the best you can come up with in response to fabricated, as opposed to lightly massaged, news coverage is this then you are really just basicly destroyed.  Pallywood and it's enablers make up facts, settlements/neighborhoods is semantics, and their doesn't seem to be any shortage of main stream American news sources still calling them settlements.  So that aint such a strong lobby, is it?




Where do they call them 'settlements'




Do you read newspapers at all?  I also note you entirely avoid the whole issue of Pallywood and it's media enablers but choose to focus on some insignificant and largely nonexistent semantic adjustment in one news outlet.
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Muslim news agencies?  No, man, go check out what I sent you to.  It's AP and Reuters, willing dupes.  As to this, "claims of killing more Iraelis, shooting them all in the back, because they were running in fear :rolleyes:I have no idea what you are talking about.  Perhaps you can find an example for me.



Al-Manar claimed that Hezbollah shot a lot of IDF in the back,  I'm not condoning it or even believing it for a minute, It is hopefully a lot less accurate than our western media.  But it is obviously Yellow Journalism.




Linkee, pal, I haven't seen it and if I haven't seen it then it is pretty obscure indeed.  But the whole fucking world saw the Al Reuters and Al AP nonsense.  And I have links to prove it, with apologies and firings.  You have..........what again?  Oh yeah, nothing.
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So at the risk of putting words in your mouth, do you believe that the US is not capable of yellow journalism?




The US is not in the journalism business and as far as I can tell it runs pretty much against Israel.  BUt if you can come up with an example of facts being distorted by an American media outlet to garner sympathy for Israel I would be more than willing to entertain it.  Capable?  Sure, I guess, like Dan Rather and the fake TANG news.  But he got exposed, and embarassed, and discreditted, and fired.  Like the guy who faked the AP photos.  Aint America great?  Sooner or later liars get caught.  Especially now.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6005090 - 08/28/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust.




Opinion of the UN and EVERYBODY EXEPT ISRAEL




Um, no
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The press's only obligation is to restrict itself to report facts, and only facts, accurately. 



Again I point to Yellow Jornalism.  There 'obligation', have you ever heard of someone not living up to there obligations?
Yellow Jornalism




Yeah, I know what yellow journalism is.  It is not relevant here.  Yellow journalism does not encompass actual lieing and willing dupery. Nor does it include the massaging you speak of in regard to settlements vs neighborhoods.  I will restrain myself here from asking the question I wish.
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I eagerly await your and Muhammed al Fuckface's endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts.  Actual facts.




Such an enlightened and open-minded statement :rolleyes:  i already gave you the settlement vs neighborhood example.  i guess your facts come at the end of a bayonet




So where the fuck are the "endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts", lightweight?  ??  ????  Let's have 'em.  The neighborhood/settlement thing doesn't even qualify.  That's an opinion.  Tampering with facts.  Bring it.  I'd love to see them.  If you had 'em you'd a brought 'em already.  Man, you aint got no game.
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Just one piece of stupidity from this asshole's screed:
"With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly."
This moron obviously does not read the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, all 3 of which have excoriated Bush relentlessly for "Cowboy Diplomacy."  Once again, you have a right to an opinion, not facts, and this asshole's stating of some imaginary complaint does not in the least make it so.  He is, in fact, a liar and this "statement of fact" is anything but.




when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism.  What does pointing GWB shortcommings have to do with zionism?




Do you read the papers at all?  Seriously.  I just sent you to a comprehensive list of international news organizations that accepted at face value amateurishly fabricated news from the Muslims about fake Israeli atrocities, which they had published as fact.
Believe me when I tell you that Bush needs to be a lot more cowboy to suit me, so that aint no shortcoming.
Only an idiot thinks that Bush and Israel get preferential media treatment.  An idiot.  Or worse.


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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6014442 - 08/31/06 02:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust.




Opinion of the UN and EVERYBODY EXEPT ISRAEL




Um, no




SO it is an opinion that the land is illegally occupied?  The UN considers it FACT
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Yeah, I know what yellow journalism is.  It is not relevant here.  Yellow journalism does not encompass actual lieing and willing dupery.
OK YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YELLOW JOURNALISM IS THEN US-Spanish War
Nor does it include the massaging you speak of in regard to settlements vs neighborhoods.  I will restrain myself here from asking the question I wish.



So there is no such thing as 'spin'--'Use tobacco , it keeps mosquitoes away!  AND Either dont restrain yourself, or dont add useless clutter to your posts. :rolleyes:

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So where the fuck are the "endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts", lightweight?  ??  ????  Let's have 'em.  The neighborhood/settlement thing doesn't even qualify.  That's an opinion.  Tampering with facts.  Bring it.  I'd love to see them.  If you had 'em you'd a brought 'em already.  Man, you aint got no game.




You don't need to tamper with any facts, just not report facts that support the other sides point of view.
How can you get a job, if it takes 4 hours to get though an Israeli checkpoint in the west bank?

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when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism.  What does pointing GWB shortcommings have to do with zionism?





Do you read the papers at all?  Seriously.  I just sent you to a comprehensive list of international news organizations that accepted at face value amateurishly fabricated news from the Muslims about fake Israeli atrocities, which they had published as fact.
Believe me when I tell you that Bush needs to be a lot more cowboy to suit me, so that aint no shortcoming.
Only an idiot thinks that Bush and Israel get preferential media treatment.  An idiot.  Or worse.




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when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism.




Just one source of a news agency comming out hard against Irsaeli actions in the West Bank or critisizing US support of Zionism.

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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6015235 - 08/31/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pallywood rules. They make some pretty sweet death scenes in Israel.


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