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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6004752 - 08/28/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ShroomDr said: here, i think this a muslim students blog in Georgia USA
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Terminology is a very powerful tool. Many examples regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict will reflect the bias and distortion of information, which can change perceptions and form opinions that are in sync with those who can afford to influence them. The so-called “security fence” is in fact an annexation and expansion wall. The militants or as they are now more commonly and frequently known as “terrorist” that attack Israeli military tanks bent on destroying Palestinian homes, are in fact defending their people and have an inalienable and internationally recognized right to resist attacks on their homes and neighborhoods. Illegal Jewish settlements, or more accurately colonies, are in fact built on stolen Palestinian property against international laws and inhabited by terrorist, racist ideologically fanatical armed settlers; they are not civilian Jewish “neighborhoods” or “communities.” Presenting them as such is not only a distortion of the truth harming the Palestinians; it is in fact a distortion of truth that is harming Israel and the friends of Israel who are turning these stereotypes into influential prejudices. The Israeli military establishment has been tactfully labeled the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces), giving the image of being merely on the defensive, never the offensive. However, it is far more suitable to label them the IOF, since even Sharon has recognized that what the Israeli army is embarked on is an occupation. Barak’s last minute 2000 offer, at Camp David, to save his faltering political career has been labeled and often only known as Barak’s generous offer, I suppose a spider-web of a state on 15% of historical Palestine is what the media refers to when they speak of his generosity! The biggest irony, a joke really, is Bush oft-cited remark that Sharon is a “man of peace.” It is reassuring to know that murdering war criminals (found guilty at least indirectly in their own country) can redeem themselves so easily to the US administration. Shame! To drive the point further Sharon has opposed every single peace agreement even the one with Egypt in1979. The press has a responsibility to expose these lies and not repeat them under the guise of ‘fair and balanced’ reporting. With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly. The Press should have a responsibility to represent the voiceless and to challenge legitimacy of a government’s version of a story, placing things in perspective and not allowing the foe to be the judge or equate the occupier and the occupied with the same party.
Again, This is from a Muslim FYI
They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust. They do not have a right to their facts, which is what Pallywood regularly lies about. This is different. The press's only obligation is to restrict itself to report facts, and only facts, accurately. The rest, i.e. editorials and opinions, is their right, but not by any stretch their obligation.
I eagerly await your and Muhammed al Fuckface's endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts. Actual facts.
Just one piece of stupidity from this asshole's screed: "With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly." This moron obviously does not read the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, all 3 of which have excoriated Bush relentlessly for "Cowboy Diplomacy." Once again, you have a right to an opinion, not facts, and this asshole's stating of some imaginary complaint does not in the least make it so. He is, in fact, a liar and this "statement of fact" is anything but.
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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
#6004846 - 08/28/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You questioned it's veracity based on the sourcing. Do you or do you not have any reason to doubt it and if so please produce it. It's that simple?
Again I state
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ShroomDr said: Perhaps someone could post a Nation of Islam article about how bad white supremacy is in America?
It might be true, but thats a shitty source of info. I'm not saying its not true, im saying that I believe the regurgitation of Islamic hate, by a Israeli newsorce is CRAP, complete CRAP. Not Journalism, Sensationalism.
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Fucking great book, haven't seen the movie. I know what lobbyists do and I also know that there are lobbyists on both sides and that they are part of free speech. Do you know these things, or do you just want only your position heard to the exclusion of all others?
You are getting very good at putting words in my mouth. 
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ShroomDR said: Saying the Palestinians mounted a resistance in the Israeli settlements, sound somewhat reasonable.
Saying Islamic terrorist/militants attacked an Israeli neighborhood sound a lot more pro Israel doesn't it?
You say tomayto, I say tomahto
You say war crimes, i say 'just following orders'. Its not just sematincs, they are ILLEGAL settlements, Settlement being defined as: a place that has been settled. Israel is not allowed to 'settle' these lands, yet the continue to build there 'neighborhoods'. its not just 'You say tomayto, I say tomahto'
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zappaisgod said: If the best you can come up with in response to fabricated, as opposed to lightly massaged, news coverage is this then you are really just basicly destroyed. Pallywood and it's enablers make up facts, settlements/neighborhoods is semantics, and their doesn't seem to be any shortage of main stream American news sources still calling them settlements. So that aint such a strong lobby, is it?
Where do they call them 'settlements'
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zappaisgod said: Muslim news agencies? No, man, go check out what I sent you to. It's AP and Reuters, willing dupes. As to this, "claims of killing more Iraelis, shooting them all in the back, because they were running in fear " I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find an example for me.
Al-Manar claimed that Hezbollah shot a lot of IDF in the back, I'm not condoning it or even believing it for a minute, It is hopefully a lot less accurate than our western media. But it is obviously Yellow Journalism.
So at the risk of putting words in your mouth, do you believe that the US is not capable of yellow journalism?
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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
#6004895 - 08/28/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust.
Opinion of the UN and EVERYBODY EXEPT ISRAEL
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zappaisgod said: The press's only obligation is to restrict itself to report facts, and only facts, accurately.
Again I point to Yellow Jornalism. There 'obligation', have you ever heard of someone not living up to there obligations? Yellow Jornalism
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zappaisgod said: I eagerly await your and Muhammed al Fuckface's endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts. Actual facts.
Such an enlightened and open-minded statement i already gave you the settlement vs neighborhood example. i guess your facts come at the end of a bayonet
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zappaisgod said: Just one piece of stupidity from this asshole's screed: "With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly." This moron obviously does not read the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, all 3 of which have excoriated Bush relentlessly for "Cowboy Diplomacy." Once again, you have a right to an opinion, not facts, and this asshole's stating of some imaginary complaint does not in the least make it so. He is, in fact, a liar and this "statement of fact" is anything but.
when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism. What does pointing GWB shortcommings have to do with zionism?
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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6005002 - 08/28/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You questioned it's veracity based on the sourcing. Do you or do you not have any reason to doubt it and if so please produce it. It's that simple?
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ShroomDr said: Perhaps someone could post a Nation of Islam article about how bad white supremacy is in America?
It might be true, but thats a shitty source of info. I'm not saying its not true, im saying that I believe the regurgitation of Islamic hate, by a Israeli newsorce is CRAP, complete CRAP. Not Journalism, Sensationalism.
Might be a shitty source? Ok, let's go. Find a source that denies it. Either that or just shut the fuck up and admit that it's accurate. If John Lovitz told me that the sun rose in the East it wouldn't make it any less true. This is now two days old. Don't you think CAIR would be all over this as a Zionist lie if it wasn't true? Come on, man, get a fucking clue.
And you find your own NOI article. I fail to see the relevance to your denial of an obvious fact, the existence of this murderous Islamic screed, which you have failed utterly to discredit. Failed, as in didn't do it. As in just basicly hewing to a predetermined agenda with no facts to back it up. "Give me facts or give me silence." Patrick Henry. Or maybe it was just me. Who cares?Quote:
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Fucking great book, haven't seen the movie. I know what lobbyists do and I also know that there are lobbyists on both sides and that they are part of free speech. Do you know these things, or do you just want only your position heard to the exclusion of all others?
You are getting very good at putting words in my mouth. 
Asking a question does not constitute putting words in your mouth? At all. Although it is what one would call a loaded question. Designed to point out hypocracy. Not really expecting an answer.Quote:
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ShroomDR said: Saying the Palestinians mounted a resistance in the Israeli settlements, sound somewhat reasonable.
Saying Islamic terrorist/militants attacked an Israeli neighborhood sound a lot more pro Israel doesn't it?
You say tomayto, I say tomahto
You say war crimes, i say 'just following orders'. Its not just sematincs, they are ILLEGAL settlements, Settlement being defined as: a place that has been settled. Israel is not allowed to 'settle' these lands, yet the continue to build there 'neighborhoods'. its not just 'You say tomayto, I say tomahto'
No, my friend, I don't think they are illegal settlements in that they were won in a war of defense. Quite a great many people agree with me. Some of them have the power to veto UN resolutions to that effect. Israel wouldn't have troop one on the West Bank if they had not been attacked in '69 and '73.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: If the best you can come up with in response to fabricated, as opposed to lightly massaged, news coverage is this then you are really just basicly destroyed. Pallywood and it's enablers make up facts, settlements/neighborhoods is semantics, and their doesn't seem to be any shortage of main stream American news sources still calling them settlements. So that aint such a strong lobby, is it?
Where do they call them 'settlements'
Do you read newspapers at all? I also note you entirely avoid the whole issue of Pallywood and it's media enablers but choose to focus on some insignificant and largely nonexistent semantic adjustment in one news outlet.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: Muslim news agencies? No, man, go check out what I sent you to. It's AP and Reuters, willing dupes. As to this, "claims of killing more Iraelis, shooting them all in the back, because they were running in fear " I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find an example for me.
Al-Manar claimed that Hezbollah shot a lot of IDF in the back, I'm not condoning it or even believing it for a minute, It is hopefully a lot less accurate than our western media. But it is obviously Yellow Journalism.
Linkee, pal, I haven't seen it and if I haven't seen it then it is pretty obscure indeed. But the whole fucking world saw the Al Reuters and Al AP nonsense. And I have links to prove it, with apologies and firings. You have..........what again? Oh yeah, nothing.Quote:
So at the risk of putting words in your mouth, do you believe that the US is not capable of yellow journalism?
The US is not in the journalism business and as far as I can tell it runs pretty much against Israel. BUt if you can come up with an example of facts being distorted by an American media outlet to garner sympathy for Israel I would be more than willing to entertain it. Capable? Sure, I guess, like Dan Rather and the fake TANG news. But he got exposed, and embarassed, and discreditted, and fired. Like the guy who faked the AP photos. Aint America great? Sooner or later liars get caught. Especially now.
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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6005090 - 08/28/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust.
Opinion of the UN and EVERYBODY EXEPT ISRAEL
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The press's only obligation is to restrict itself to report facts, and only facts, accurately.
Again I point to Yellow Jornalism. There 'obligation', have you ever heard of someone not living up to there obligations? Yellow Jornalism
Yeah, I know what yellow journalism is. It is not relevant here. Yellow journalism does not encompass actual lieing and willing dupery. Nor does it include the massaging you speak of in regard to settlements vs neighborhoods. I will restrain myself here from asking the question I wish.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: I eagerly await your and Muhammed al Fuckface's endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts. Actual facts.
Such an enlightened and open-minded statement i already gave you the settlement vs neighborhood example. i guess your facts come at the end of a bayonet
So where the fuck are the "endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts", lightweight? ?? ???? Let's have 'em. The neighborhood/settlement thing doesn't even qualify. That's an opinion. Tampering with facts. Bring it. I'd love to see them. If you had 'em you'd a brought 'em already. Man, you aint got no game.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: Just one piece of stupidity from this asshole's screed: "With the US reshaping its media ethics and values by simplifying topics and fitting them all into the “good vs. evil” paradigm, journalists are learning to dance accordingly." This moron obviously does not read the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, all 3 of which have excoriated Bush relentlessly for "Cowboy Diplomacy." Once again, you have a right to an opinion, not facts, and this asshole's stating of some imaginary complaint does not in the least make it so. He is, in fact, a liar and this "statement of fact" is anything but.
when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism. What does pointing GWB shortcommings have to do with zionism?
Do you read the papers at all? Seriously. I just sent you to a comprehensive list of international news organizations that accepted at face value amateurishly fabricated news from the Muslims about fake Israeli atrocities, which they had published as fact. Believe me when I tell you that Bush needs to be a lot more cowboy to suit me, so that aint no shortcoming. Only an idiot thinks that Bush and Israel get preferential media treatment. An idiot. Or worse.
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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: zappaisgod]
#6014442 - 08/31/06 02:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They have a right to their opinions, for instance, that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is either illegal or unjust.
Opinion of the UN and EVERYBODY EXEPT ISRAEL
Um, no
SO it is an opinion that the land is illegally occupied? The UN considers it FACT
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zappaisgod said: Yeah, I know what yellow journalism is. It is not relevant here. Yellow journalism does not encompass actual lieing and willing dupery. OK YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YELLOW JOURNALISM IS THEN US-Spanish War Nor does it include the massaging you speak of in regard to settlements vs neighborhoods. I will restrain myself here from asking the question I wish.
So there is no such thing as 'spin'--'Use tobacco , it keeps mosquitoes away! AND Either dont restrain yourself, or dont add useless clutter to your posts. 
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zappaisgod said: So where the fuck are the "endless examples of Zionist media deliberately tampering with facts", lightweight? ?? ???? Let's have 'em. The neighborhood/settlement thing doesn't even qualify. That's an opinion. Tampering with facts. Bring it. I'd love to see them. If you had 'em you'd a brought 'em already. Man, you aint got no game.
You don't need to tamper with any facts, just not report facts that support the other sides point of view. How can you get a job, if it takes 4 hours to get though an Israeli checkpoint in the west bank?
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ShroomDr said: when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism. What does pointing GWB shortcommings have to do with zionism?
Do you read the papers at all? Seriously. I just sent you to a comprehensive list of international news organizations that accepted at face value amateurishly fabricated news from the Muslims about fake Israeli atrocities, which they had published as fact. Believe me when I tell you that Bush needs to be a lot more cowboy to suit me, so that aint no shortcoming. Only an idiot thinks that Bush and Israel get preferential media treatment. An idiot. Or worse.
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ShroomDr said: when has any of those news agency's painted israel in a bad light, or not supported the US support of zionism.
Just one source of a news agency comming out hard against Irsaeli actions in the West Bank or critisizing US support of Zionism.
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Re: Online guide: Killing 'infidels' [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#6015235 - 08/31/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pallywood rules. They make some pretty sweet death scenes in Israel.
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