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Dont worry about Chavez........?????
#5995291 - 08/25/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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People dismiss him as somewhat harmless although powerful. Look for an increased relationship with the Chinese in the future....here is a clip from a press conference within China.........
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060825/wl_mideast_afp/chinamideastconflict_060825100753
BEIJING (AFP) - Visiting Venezuela President Hugo Chavez has denounced Israel's recent attacks on Lebanon as "genocide," likening its action to war crimes committed by Germany's Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.
"Israel often criticizes Hitler ... but they have done the same thing, perhaps even worse," Chavez told reporters Friday in a briefing during his six-day visit to China.
Denouncing the "fascist attitudes" of Israel, he said: "What has happened was a genocide. They must be brought in front of an international tribunal."
"Nobody should stay muted," he said.
The 34-day conflict in the Middle East came to an end on August 14 after a UN-brokered agreement for a cessation of hostilities in line with Security Council Resolution 1701.
Chavez said the resolution came late, but expressed his country's support for the United Nations.
Caracas pulled the Venezuelan charge d'affaires out of Israel in early August to protest its operations inside Lebanon, with Chavez charging that Israel "had lost its mind".
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5995327 - 08/25/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> "Israel often criticizes Hitler ... but they have done the same thing, perhaps even worse,"
Wow, I had no idea that Israel rounded up all of the Lebenese cilivians and executed them.
> he said: "What has happened was a genocide.
Perhaps we should get Chavez a spanish to english dictionary... I think, perhaps, he doesn't understand the meaning of the words he is using...
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5995417 - 08/25/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Israel certainly has not engaged in genocide or anything on the same level as the Third Reich, although the state of Israel has definitely engaged in ethnic cleansing. I also have to say that Zionism, ironically, seems to parallel Nazism.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#5995518 - 08/25/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> I also have to say that Zionism, ironically, seems to parallel Nazism.
Not all Jewish people, and not all Israeli's, follow Zionism. However, I have a Jewish friend that lives in Israel that sent me an email many years ago (before 9/11) that makes it very clear that at least some of Jewish people see the conflict with Palestine as a punishment from a higher power and that the only way to end the conflict is to rid the world of all Palestinians (as they were originally instructed to do by the higher power).
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5995558 - 08/25/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doesn't sound any worse than some of the members of this forum. He may sound like the quintessential "barking moonbat," but I don't see how this makes him dangerous.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Silversoul]
#5995596 - 08/25/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, the members in this forum (this is an assumption) do not have the influence or power as Chavez.
Remember, he just got done rubbing elbows with the world's beloved Iran, who makes claims (or at least their leader) that the Holocaust didn't exist.
So I am a little sketchy on this guys sanity or logic......
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5996235 - 08/25/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He is without a doubt a loose cannon, especially him trying to set up his own Ak47 manufacturing and buying modern weapons components from anyone he can get his hands on.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5998398 - 08/26/06 03:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well im worried about chavez...worried that king george will eventually make him into the next allende..or worse...
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Annapurna1]
#6000662 - 08/27/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> worried that king george will eventually make him into the next allende..or worse...
Bush doesn't have enough time left in office to make this happen... of course, if he can figure out a way to extend his term...
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Seuss]
#6000676 - 08/27/06 02:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aren't we already building a base near Venezuela?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Seuss]
#6000780 - 08/27/06 04:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > worried that king george will eventually make him into the next allende..or worse...
Bush doesn't have enough time left in office to make this happen... of course, if he can figure out a way to extend his term...
i wouldnt be too sure about that..given chavezs' dealings with iran and china vs what the neocons have in mind (CFR)..which..BTW..could easily extend KGs term as well...and even if none of the above comes true..chavez still has as much to fear from dick cheney or whatever neocon fascist called to take KGs place...
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Seuss]
#6006016 - 08/28/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > "Israel often criticizes Hitler ... but they have done the same thing, perhaps even worse,"
Wow, I had no idea that Israel rounded up all of the Lebenese cilivians and executed them.
> he said: "What has happened was a genocide.
Perhaps we should get Chavez a spanish to english dictionary... I think, perhaps, he doesn't understand the meaning of the words he is using...
Chavez is just a douche that's hopping on the bandwagon. He of all people to talk about human rights. Sheesh.
If you ever meet a Venezuelan... have a conversation with him or her about Chavez. They'll tell you about how he fucks over and opresses his own people like the facist he is.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006034 - 08/28/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chavez may be a dictator, but he doesnt have as much blood on his hands as Israel and its ethnic cleansing.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006058 - 08/28/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You really should find a better word than ethnic cleansing.
"The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. "
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006081 - 08/28/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: You really should find a better word than ethnic cleansing.
"The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. "
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
And how is this definition different from what Israelis do against Palestinians?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006096 - 08/28/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: You really should find a better word than ethnic cleansing.
"The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. "
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
you really should read more: Israel and its Ethnic Cleansing
oh, and by your posts, you whole heartedly support Israel's ethnic cleansing. Do not deny this.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006112 - 08/28/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You mean like the way you support the Palestinians and THEIR ethnic cleansing?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006121 - 08/28/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: You really should find a better word than ethnic cleansing.
"The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. "
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
you really should read more: Israel and its Ethnic Cleansing
oh, and by your posts, you whole heartedly support Israel's ethnic cleansing. Do not deny this.
Really? I want all Palestinians lined up in front of mass graves and executed?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006126 - 08/28/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: You mean like the way you support the Palestinians and THEIR ethnic cleansing?
WTF are you talking about?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006129 - 08/28/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Last time I checked... Israel AND Palestine were both killing innocent people on purpose. It takes two to tango.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Silversoul]
#6006137 - 08/28/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: You mean like the way you support the Palestinians and THEIR ethnic cleansing?
WTF are you talking about?
I don't know.. killing if Israeli women and children just because they're Israeli maybe?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006141 - 08/28/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, I can see that. I'm just curious where the hell you got the idea that anyone here was supporting Palestinian violence towards Israel.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006145 - 08/28/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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These people believe if Israel stops expanding then the Arabs won't exterminate them or at least kill a lot of them and place them under strict rules like they did before.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006176 - 08/28/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Funny.. they pulled out of settlements and gave them back to Palestine and they were still being attacked. If only Sharon was still in power. He was finally on the right track.
>I'm just curious where the hell you got the idea that anyone here was supporting Palestinian violence towards Israel.
Just responding rhetorically to someone who thought the above poster was supporting israeli violence because he disagreed with the term "ethnic cleansing"
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006179 - 08/28/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: You mean like the way you support the Palestinians and THEIR ethnic cleansing?
Please provide examples of me supporting the killing of Israeli citizens. If you cannot, then STFU. Being critical of one party does not equate to support for the other party.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006187 - 08/28/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: You really should find a better word than ethnic cleansing.
"The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. "
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
you really should read more: Israel and its Ethnic Cleansing
oh, and by your posts, you whole heartedly support Israel's ethnic cleansing. Do not deny this.
Really? I want all Palestinians lined up in front of mass graves and executed?
Perhaps not in that exact protocol, but generally and from all indiction from your posts, yes.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006200 - 08/28/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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bi0 said:
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downforpot said: You really should find a better word than ethnic cleansing.
"The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. "
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
you really should read more: Israel and its Ethnic Cleansing
oh, and by your posts, you whole heartedly support Israel's ethnic cleansing. Do not deny this.
Really? I want all Palestinians lined up in front of mass graves and executed?
Perhaps not in that exact protocol, but generally and from all indiction from your posts, yes.
Give me proof. I want to see where I say I want all Palestinians and arabs dead.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006201 - 08/28/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just responding rhetorically to someone who thought the above poster was supporting israeli violence because he disagreed with the term "ethnic cleansing"
that was not my argument and critique of downforpot at all.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006245 - 08/28/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: You mean like the way you support the Palestinians and THEIR ethnic cleansing?
Please provide examples of me supporting the killing of Israeli citizens. If you cannot, then STFU. Being critical of one party does not equate to support for the other party.
Well.. you just said to someone tonight that they support Israeli's ethnic cleansing just because he disagreed with you using the term ethnic cleansing? So by your definition... if that's all it takes to SUPPORT ETHNIC CLEANSING.. then you must be doing the same thing.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006249 - 08/28/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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downforpot said: You really should find a better word than ethnic cleansing.
You wrote:
you really should read more: Israel and its Ethnic Cleansing
oh, and by your posts, you whole heartedly support Israel's ethnic cleansing. Do not deny this.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said: You mean like the way you support the Palestinians and THEIR ethnic cleansing?
Please provide examples of me supporting the killing of Israeli citizens. If you cannot, then STFU. Being critical of one party does not equate to support for the other party.
Well.. you just said to someone tonight that they support Israeli's ethnic cleansing just because he disagreed with you using the term ethnic cleansing? So by your definition... if that's all it takes to SUPPORT ETHNIC CLEANSING.. then you must be doing the same thing.
You should give me the posts first.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006269 - 08/28/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry The stage is all yours
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006281 - 08/28/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it neccessary for you to derail every thread in this forum?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
#6006324 - 08/28/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Give me proof. I want to see where I say I want all Palestinians and arabs dead.
well, here's this gem in which you describe how you beat the shit out of a stranger because he was Muslim even though he did not support the Islamic extremists.
and here in which you say it's the time for the Jews in Israel to conquer the Muslims.
and here where you say:
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So basically the Muslims want everyone to be Muslim and they want to establish a new caliphate. The sooner you people will realize that peace is not an option the sooner we can crush them.
You essentially said that Muslims need to be conquered, not the extremists, not the Islamist organizations that fund and execute terrorism...you want Muslims dead.
and here where you justify a Zionist plan to conquer the Muslim people.
And there is more, but I have a life.
Summary: you violently and indiscrimately attack Muslims, you support invasions of Muslim nations for the sake of wiping them out (and strengthing Israel and its ethnic cleansing), and you provide justification. Do you need more?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006342 - 08/28/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow. Was this in another post I missed?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006344 - 08/28/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well.. you just said to someone tonight that they support Israeli's ethnic cleansing just because he disagreed with you using the term ethnic cleansing? So by your definition... if that's all it takes to SUPPORT ETHNIC CLEANSING.. then you must be doing the same thing.
No, I did not. Re-read my posts carefully this time. Downforpot supports Israeli ethnic cleansing regardless of what term we use. He supports the murder of innocents for the sake of Israel.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006359 - 08/28/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I didn't read a lot of other posts you're involved in...
...if you're saying he supports ethnic cleansing just because of what he said in this post then you're an asshole.
If there's another discussion I missed about him being racists against arabs and persians.. then I sincerely apologize to you.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
#6006384 - 08/28/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Give me proof. I want to see where I say I want all Palestinians and arabs dead.
well, here's this gem in which you describe how you beat the shit out of a stranger because he was Muslim even though he did not support the Islamic extremists.
and here in which you say it's the time for the Jews in Israel to conquer the Muslims.
and here where you say:
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So basically the Muslims want everyone to be Muslim and they want to establish a new caliphate. The sooner you people will realize that peace is not an option the sooner we can crush them.
You essentially said that Muslims need to be conquered, not the extremists, not the Islamist organizations that fund and execute terrorism...you want Muslims dead.
and here where you justify a Zionist plan to conquer the Muslim people.
And there is more, but I have a life.
Summary: you violently and indiscrimately attack Muslims, you support invasions of Muslim nations for the sake of wiping them out (and strengthing Israel and its ethnic cleansing), and you provide justification. Do you need more?
Good job finding posts when Zahid was instigating hatred towards Muslims. Did you even read his last message? He speficifically stated that he wanted to make people on this board hostile toward Muslim, well, he said he was doing a "SOCIAL EXPERIMENT." I think he was lying and was just trolling.
As for posts, I asked for whole posts, not entire threads. Good job.
And yea, I remember that story I made about beating up a Muslim. I fucking hated Zahid. That fucking faggot was just making up bullshit about Muslims and instigating everyone on this board to hate them. Worked on me for that time.
Ever since that time I have read the Quran and educated myself in Islam. Now I support modernizing the Islamic world and supporting regimes that stop radical Islam.
But as for you, you have not changed one bit.
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That is also how I got a lot of my negative ratings. A lot of them came from the same period when Zahid was instigating his bullshit and I ended up attacking him since he claimed to be a Muslim. I bet that fag is still on these boards trolling.
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: downforpot]
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Now I support modernizing the Islamic world and supporting regimes that stop radical Islam.
And do you support Israel's actions as described in the links I provided in this thread?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: Vvellum]
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I am not going to answer to that because it is not ethnic cleansing. Until you show me proof that Palestinians are being lined up in front of mass graves and shot I will never call it ethnic cleansing.
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You'd also have to assume a mass killing is because of the decision makers being racist
I think the invasion was a bad move on Israel's part, but I think it was just sheer frustration and revenge. Not that I condone that... but to say Israel is ethnically cleansing Lebanon or Palestine .. you'd have to say the same of the Palestinians. They at least ADMITTEDLY kill people just because of their race/nationality.
There can NEVER be peace as long as there is revenge.
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Yea. The Title basically screams something that happened in Kosovo, Germany, and Africa. It is basically lying about the whole article. Now, unless Jews actually executed thousands of Palestinians around a mass grave... then yea, it's ethnic cleansing.
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downforpot said: I am not going to answer to that because it is not ethnic cleansing. Until you show me proof that Palestinians are being lined up in front of mass graves and shot I will never call it ethnic cleansing.
Did you even read the article I directed you to?
Oh, and according the most used dictionary for the English language, ethnic cleansing means:
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Main Entry: ethnic cleansing Function: noun : the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnic minority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ethnic%20cleansing
Now, go read the article and answer my question instead of side-stepping with a semantics debate.
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I did and there lies the problem. You are assuming that killing and expulsion is the same thing. If a population was expelled and you called it ethnic cleansing what would that make others think? It would make them think holocaust and kosovo. From what I remember there were mass graves in both....
And yes, I just read that article. I have always thought that Gaza and West Bank should have been given back after the war. They should have given back that land just like they gave back Egypt its land. What other countries received their land back from Israel?
And then Sharon withdrew from Gaza and then started a withdraw from West Bank. Then Hamas started lunching rockets from the evacuated areas in Gaza...
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The Israeli's did own a LOT of land legally by purchase in Palestine. If they used this to create a state that would be cool. I wonder how the UN ever justified taking the extra land to make an Israeli state.... has this ever been done before by the UN?
Althought the Ottoman empire *DID* end up on the losing side of WWI and they were greedy conquerers. One could make the argument that those under Ottoman rule can dish out murderous expansion of empire, but they can't seem to take it.
Just playing devil's advocate though.
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I use the common definition of ethnic cleansing which includes, but is not limited to, expulsion, systematic political and economic disenfranchisement, and the refusal of basic human rights. Your obscure definition is narrowly limited to murder. Genocide is one type of ethnic cleansing. And never did I say that Israel has committed genocide. In fact, I have said on these the forums that they have not.
Ethnic cleansing is just that - removing unwanted ethnicities from a vacinity or culture by however means necessary.
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BrAiN said: The Israeli's did own a LOT of land legally by purchase in Palestine. If they used this to create a state that would be cool. I wonder how the UN ever justified taking the extra land to make an Israeli state.... has this ever been done before by the UN?
Althought the Ottoman empire *DID* end up on the losing side of WWI and they were greedy conquerers. One could make the argument that those under Ottoman rule can dish out murderous expansion of empire, but they can't seem to take it.
Just playing devil's advocate though.
Well the Israeli land was purchased from individual Ottoman landholders. The areas in dispute now are West Bank and Gaza which are being returned.
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bi0 said: I use the common definition of ethnic cleansing which includes, but is not limited to, expulsion, systematic political and economic disenfranchisement, and the refusal of basic human rights. Your obscure definition is narrowly limited to murder. Genocide is one type of ethnic cleansing. And never did I say that Israel has committed genocide. In fact, I have said on these the forums that they have not.
Ethnic cleansing is just that - removing unwanted ethnicities from a vacinity or culture by however means necessary.
But the definition still encompasses mass murder.... So even if you label an expulsion of people as ethnic cleansing it still makes people think of mass murder that was similar in Kosovo and Germany.
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#6006523 - 08/28/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You could say the Palestinians were guilty of the same in the 1920's when the LEGAL Zionist movement (of purchasing land) was getting big and many racist Arabs were spreading propoganda to get rid of those Jews that were there rightfully.
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#6006545 - 08/28/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok. They were guilty of ethnic cleansing. Now, let's talk about today, not a century ago.
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Ethnic cleansing? Were Jews being killing in large numbers by the arabs during that time?
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bi0 said: I use the common definition of ethnic cleansing which includes, but is not limited to, expulsion, systematic political and economic disenfranchisement, and the refusal of basic human rights. Your obscure definition is narrowly limited to murder. Genocide is one type of ethnic cleansing. And never did I say that Israel has committed genocide. In fact, I have said on these the forums that they have not.
Ethnic cleansing is just that - removing unwanted ethnicities from a vacinity or culture by however means necessary.
But the definition still encompasses mass murder.... So even if you label an expulsion of people as ethnic cleansing it still makes people think of mass murder that was similar in Kosovo and Germany.
Ethnic cleansing includes but is not limited to mass murder. Should I draw a Ven diagram for you?
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#6006559 - 08/28/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hard to tell the scale...
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#6006569 - 08/28/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Once TV and the media became global ... the israeli's missed their chance at pushing the palestinians out... they should have done it oh.. say.. back when we were locating the native americans here
Then the Arabs would all be running casinos in Jordan.
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downforpot said:
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bi0 said: I use the common definition of ethnic cleansing which includes, but is not limited to, expulsion, systematic political and economic disenfranchisement, and the refusal of basic human rights. Your obscure definition is narrowly limited to murder. Genocide is one type of ethnic cleansing. And never did I say that Israel has committed genocide. In fact, I have said on these the forums that they have not.
Ethnic cleansing is just that - removing unwanted ethnicities from a vacinity or culture by however means necessary.
But the definition still encompasses mass murder.... So even if you label an expulsion of people as ethnic cleansing it still makes people think of mass murder that was similar in Kosovo and Germany.
Ethnic cleansing includes but is not limited to mass murder. Should I draw a Ven diagram for you?
Exactly, it includes.... Therefore a different term should be used because people associate the term with mass murder.
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#6006579 - 08/28/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, all that pesky information keeps people out of the dark. Fuck knowledge, dude.
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#6006586 - 08/28/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder what would happen in the present it all the native americans started revolting.
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BrAiN said: I wonder what would happen in the present it all the native americans started revolting.
Uhh, the revolt would be stopped. I'm sure some Americans would be sympathetic though but I donno if they would move back to their ancestors' countries.
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#6006615 - 08/28/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No doubt we'd crush it... but I was referring to more of how wars now aren't so much about violence and physical power as now you have to worry about the PR war... The media would be all over a native american revolt. I dont think the gov't could simply just crush it.
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#6006624 - 08/28/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, I donno. I doubt that most Americans would want to move to countries where their ancestors lived.
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#6006632 - 08/28/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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huh? Who said anything about moving Americans back to Europe?
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: BrAiN]
#6006633 - 08/28/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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the FBI and CIA certainly "crushed" the Native American Movement in the 1970s.
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#6006635 - 08/28/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really? I dig reading about history... if you find any articles about that, let me know. (that wasn't sarcasm I'm serious)
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#6006643 - 08/28/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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time 4 sleep.. l8r
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bi0 said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peltier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
LoL, I actually wrote a biography on Peltier last year. I honestly don't know if he was innocent or not though.
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#6006726 - 08/28/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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me either.
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#6007322 - 08/29/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would give more credence to the Palestinians, if they had some sort of control, or organization to their government.
Why do Arabs that live in Israel, have more rights, then those you live in Palestine? If the Arabic community was so concerned with the Palestinians, why dont they help them? Why is it Israels problem???
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Re: Dont worry about Chavez........????? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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you make an excellent point SirTrips. This is something that has bothered me for a while.
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SirTripAlot said: I would give more credence to the Palestinians, if they had some sort of control, or organization to their government.
Why do Arabs that live in Israel, have more rights, then those you live in Palestine? If the Arabic community was so concerned with the Palestinians, why dont they help them? Why is it Israels problem???
Yea, that is interesting even though many people on here claim the opposite, I think.
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To get back on subject:
U.S. eyes Chavez ties to China By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 25, 2006
The visit to China by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez this week is being watched closely by U.S. national security officials who are concerned that Beijing is increasing its backing for the leftist leader. A defense official involved in Asian affairs said the visit to Beijing by Mr. Chavez is part of China's strategy of forming coalitions aimed at controlling resource markets -- in Venezuela's case, access to oil. "China does not believe in free markets and wants to lock up access to them," the official said. He noted that Beijing thinks the United States is trying to block access to international energy and other resources as part of a containment strategy designed to prevent the emergence of a threatening China. In Beijing yesterday, Chinese President Hu Jintao warmly welcomed Mr. Chavez, who has proposed an ambitious plan for his country to almost quadruple sales to China to 1 million barrels per day in the next decade. "I believe that, through your visit, the two countries' cooperation in all aspects can be promoted," Mr. Hu told the Venezuelan leader at the Great Hall of the People, the Associated Press reported from Beijing. Mr. Chavez responded by saying that "mutual trust between our two countries has been deepening, and the economic and cultural exchanges have been strengthening." Mr. Chavez told reporters that he hoped to be exporting 500,000 barrels of oil per day to China by 2009. "And in the next decade, we will aim for a million barrels," he said. Mr. Chavez also sought and won Beijing's backing for Venezuela's bid for a nonpermanent seat on the U.N. Security Council next year, something the Bush administration opposes. China views souring relations between Washington and Caracas as a strategic opportunity and is cautiously coaxing Mr. Chavez into reducing Venezuela's current large exports to the United States, the defense official said. Currently, Venezuela ships about 1.5 million barrels of oil a day to the United States, accounting for about 10 percent of all U.S. oil imports. The Chavez government earlier this year threatened to curtail oil exports to the United States over concerns that the Bush administration was planning to invade Venezuela or otherwise oust the leftist government.
Mr. Chavez has embarked on a major arms buildup that includes purchases of Russian, European and Chinese weapons. Richard Fisher, a specialist on the Chinese military with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, noted that Mr. Chavez said earlier this year that he would consider buying Chinese jet fighters in addition to 24 Su-30 fighter bombers purchased as part of a $3 billion deal with Russia. The first of three advanced long-range air defense radar purchased from China last year are expected to arrive in Venezuela next month, and the Venezuelan military plans to buy as many as seven more JYL-1 radar by next year, U.S. officials said. Additional weapons purchases likely will be discussed during Mr. Chavez's meetings with Chinese leaders, including Mr. Hu. The purchases followed a Bush administration decision to block sales of spare parts from the United States for Venezuela's F-16 jets. "Within the next two to three years, China will be able to offer integrated air defense systems, from satellites to [airborne warning and controls systems], to fighters and [surface-to-air missiles], and naval weapons," Mr. Fisher said. China's sale of military equipment to Venezuela appears to contradict a pledge made by Beijing officials to the U.S. government earlier this year. Thomas A. Shannon, assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, told The Washington Times recently that China informed the United States it is "not interested in political or military adventures" in Latin America and other developing areas of the world. Recent efforts to entice China's government into joining the United States in helping promote global stability have failed, U.S. officials said. High-level U.S.-China talks aimed at promoting the concept of China joining the United States as a "stakeholder" in world affairs were rebuffed by the Chinese during recent talks with Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoelleck. There are also concerns that the close ties between Venezuela and Cuba will lead to covert arms supplies from China to Cuba through Venezuela. China has delivered some military goods to Cuba since the 1990s, according to U.S. officials.
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