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Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible!
    #5993023 - 08/24/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible!
September 25, 2002



In many cases, Americans can be prosecuted for giving money to foreign armies. As we have been told in the case of John Walker Lindh, Americans can give up their citizenship rights by joining a foreign army.

But as with many things, there is an exception: Israel.

Not only is it allowed to give money to the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), it is actually a tax-deductible contribution under US tax laws.

The Fund for Strengthing Israel's Defenses, solicits funds from US citizens to "make up what the [Israeli] defense budget can't cover." And these contributions (of $100 or more) are tax-deductible by making the checks to the P.E.F. Israel Endowment Fund. Their website contains the following quote from Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion: "The IDF should also be the center for Zionist education for Israel's youth, children and immigrants..."

I guess that's what they mean by the "special relationship" between the U.S. government and Israel.


http://www.antiwar.com/comment/idf.html


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Luddite]
    #5993107 - 08/24/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

HAHAHAHA

This will make America more safe, yep, the Arabs won't resent this one bit. Look out Iran, you're next!


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Luddite]
    #5993111 - 08/24/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yea man. I 've been saying this forever. Our relationship with Israel is very unique. What other countries have ever had this kind of relationship though?


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5993130 - 08/24/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What is Israel giving the USA for all their generosity?


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5993205 - 08/24/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
What is Israel giving the USA for all their generosity?




Holocaust museums  :grin:

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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: NamelessRevolt]
    #5993214 - 08/24/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Paid for by the USA government and private donations. hahaha


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Luddite]
    #5993708 - 08/24/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

All the funds are belong to IDF


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5993750 - 08/24/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
What is Israel giving the USA for all their generosity?




One of the only few countries in the Middle East that doesn't want Americans dead? Also a country that basically supports our actions and vice versa.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5993821 - 08/24/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Israel and America ought to get a room.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Basilides]
    #5993856 - 08/24/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The room is the world. The trashcan for the condoms are the....


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5994036 - 08/24/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
What is Israel giving the USA for all their generosity?



How about attacking our navy without repercussion

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

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The attacking aircraft used napalm rockets and machine guns. Machine guns are often used to keep a ship's company under cover, thus keeping them from manning weather deck stations and doing damage control topside. Machine guns are ineffective armament for doing real damage to a steel-hulled ship--other than starting fires in combustibles




I saw on the history channel that the USS Liberty was flying the Red White and Blue flag, and continued to be attacked, although i can not find a source.

Israel does what ever They want, and we back them up.
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Don King said:
Tax-deductible donations to another country's army 'Only in America'




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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5994049 - 08/24/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
The room is the world. The trashcan for the condoms are the....




Right. So the rest of the world has to somehow put up with America and Israel's condoms and vaginal sponges.

Well, at least they won't procreate.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Basilides]
    #5994060 - 08/24/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Well, at least they won't procreate.



Or will they?...:shiftyeyes:


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5994500 - 08/24/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomDr said:
Quote:

alpharedecho said:
What is Israel giving the USA for all their generosity?



How about attacking our navy without repercussion

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Quote:

The attacking aircraft used napalm rockets and machine guns. Machine guns are often used to keep a ship's company under cover, thus keeping them from manning weather deck stations and doing damage control topside. Machine guns are ineffective armament for doing real damage to a steel-hulled ship--other than starting fires in combustibles




I saw on the history channel that the USS Liberty was flying the Red White and Blue flag, and continued to be attacked, although i can not find a source.

Israel does what ever They want, and we back them up.
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Don King said:
Tax-deductible donations to another country's army 'Only in America'







So why exactly would Israel attack a US ship on purpose?

From the wiki article: "Officials say they were assured by the United States that no U.S. ships were in the area, and that that its air and naval forces mistakenly identified Liberty as the Egyptian vessel El Quseir. Proponents say such mistakes were inevitable in the tense atmosphere of the Six-Day War, and that no concrete motive existed for Israel to initiate a surprise attack against a country that was quickly becoming its most powerful and important ally."

"After recognizing the Israeli standard and seeing apparent Morse code signalling attempts by one of the boats (but being unable to see what was being sent, due to the smoke of the fire started by the earlier aircraft attack), McGonagle gave the order to cease fire. This order was apparently misunderstood in the confusion, and two heavy machine guns opened fire. Subsequently, the Israeli boats responded with fire and launched at least two torpedoes at Liberty (five according to the 1982 IDF History Department report)."

"When the ship was confirmed to have been American, the torpedo boats returned to offer help; it was refused by the American ship. About three hours after the attack, Israel informed the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv about the incident and provided a helicopter to fly a U.S. naval attaché to the ship."




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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5994677 - 08/25/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OH i dunno maybe to propel the US into a war in the 6 day war by blaming the attack on Egypt or some other country, then Israel can neutralize its enemies and the USA gains some permenant bases in the Middle east and all the oil it wants, and the US knows that if it controls the oil in the mid-east it has absolute leverage on the entire world because after all countries like Japan or Germany usually get their oil from Mid-East.

This little scheme obviously didnt work to well because this was spotted by a Russian Spyship so the entire thing was aborted. Now the Same assholes are at it again with Iran and Iraq and such.

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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5994848 - 08/25/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Ongoing_controversy
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This incident stands as the only peacetime attack on a U.S. naval vessel not investigated by Congress. The survivors want a full Congressional hearing[citation needed]; they hold that a proper investigation has never taken place and that all previous reports are incomplete, mention the incident in passing, and either that they are intended to exonerate Israel or that they do not even question the culpability of the attack (instead, they hold, it focuses on other topics, such as American communication problems).

In 2003, journalist Peter Hounam wrote Operation Cyanide: How the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III, which proposes a completely different theory regarding the incident. In an attempt to explain why there was no support by U.S. forces as backup, Hounam claims that Israel and U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson had secretly agreed on day four of the Six Day War that Liberty would be sunk with complete loss of life. The attack would be blamed on Egypt, allowing the U.S. in turn to attack Egypt, thus helping out Israel. However, according to Hounam's theory, because the Liberty did not sink after two hours, the plan was quickly reversed, Israel apologized for the case of mistaken identity, and a cover-up put into place. Likewise the BBC documentary (2002) claims that the Liberty incident provoked the launch of nuclear-armed planes targeted against Cairo from a US aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. They were recalled only just in time, when it was clear the Liberty had not sunk with all hands, and that Israel was responsible






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Details in dispute

The events surrounding the attack, even very simple elements such as its duration, are the subject of fierce controversy. Among the disputed facts:

* Visibility of ensign: The most vehemently debated point is the visibility of the large American flags that the ship was flying; Americans claimed the flags were clearly visible in the wind. The Israeli pilots claimed they were either unable to notice it altogether (possibly due to there being no wind, or because Liberty was steaming with the wind at the same speed that the wind was blowing), or considered it an Egyptian diversion aimed to mislead them. One point is beyond dispute: USS Liberty bore an eight-foot-high "5" and a four-foot-high "GTR" along either bow, clearly indicating her hull (or "pendant") number (AGTR-5), and had 18-inch-high letters spelling the vessel's name across the stern. These marking were not cursive Arabic script but in English.
* Israeli aircraft markings: American survivors of the attack unanimously assert that the Israeli aircraft were unmarked. Israel never responded to this claim.
* Jamming: An additional point on which Israel did not comment is the use of radio jamming. In the absence of reliable records, it is only left to speculate whether jamming (of Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies) did take place, or whether the deficiency in communications originated in the attack itself (i.e., loss of power and damage of antennas). Both Liberty and USS Saratoga radio operators reported hearing the distinctive buzzing sound usually indicative of radio frequency jamming. According to a book by Russell Warren Howe (see below), Captain McGonagle testified that the jamming of his transmissions had been on American, not Egyptian, frequencies, suggesting that the Israelis were aware of the nationality of the ship. The U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry concluded that Liberty experienced jamming (finding 47).
* Probability of identification: Americans claim the thirteen closer flybys of the previous two days should have been sufficient for identification. Israel acknowledged the ship had been identified as American and neutral the previous day; however, it claims that at 11 a.m., the ship moved out of the status board. An hour later, when explosions were heard in El-Arish, Israel claims to have reacquired the ship without being aware that it was the same one that was flown over the day before.
* Effort for identification: The American crew claims the attacking aircraft did not make identification runs over Liberty, but rather began to strafe immediately. One Israeli report claims several passes were made.
* Speed of the vessel: According to Israeli accounts, they made (admittedly erroneous) measurements that indicated the ship was steaming at 30 knots (56 km/h). Supposedly, Israeli naval doctrine at the time required that a ship traveling at that speed must be presumed to be a warship. The speed of Liberty was later recalculated to be 28 knots (52 km/h), although maximum sustained speed of Liberty was only 17.5 knots (32 km/h), 21 knots (39 km/h) being attainable by overriding the engine governors. According to Body of Secrets, by James Bamford, and Liberty crewmen (including the Officer-of-the-Deck), the ship was steaming at 5 knots (9 km/h) at the time of the attack.
* Visual communications: Joe Meadors, the signalman on bridge, states that "Immediately prior to the torpedo attack, he was on the Signal Bridge repeatedly sending 'USS Liberty U.S. Navy Ship' by flashing light to the torpedo boats." The Israeli boats claim to have read only the signal "AA", which was exactly the signal dispatched by the Egyptian destroyer Ibrahim Al-Awal when it was engaged by the Israeli Navy eleven years earlier. Meadors claims he never sent "AA" (which would require him to identify himself as well); this disagreement may be settled by considering the fact that Liberty was unable to read signals sent from the boats.
* Call for ID: Israel claims to have called the ship on radio several times without receiving an answer, while the American crew members deny ever receiving a call for identification. The crew's failure to receive any call for identification may be related to the possible Israeli jamming of radio frequencies. (Refer to Jamming above.)

* Israeli ships' actions after the torpedo hit: The American crew claims that after Liberty had been torpedoed, Israeli boats circled the ship firing machine guns at descended (unmanned) life rafts and sailors on board the ship. Israelis claim they recognized the ship as American immediately after it was hit and ceased fire. The former point of view was expressed by many of the crew members, while the latter one is reinforced by the lack of mention of the action by the ship's captain. The former point of view has also been corroborated by Captain Ward Boston, senior counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry.[11]
* Israeli offers of help: Reports differ regarding whether the Israeli boats offered help. The crew claims the torpedo boats simply withdrew, while the captain and the Israeli crew report that help was offered.
* U.S. rescue attempts: At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled, according to David Lewis, officer of the deck (OOD) during the attack. Lewis wrote and made an audio recording about a meeting 6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis requested in his cabins: "He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired. He told me that upon receipt of our SOS, aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified. He said that the Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier which was done. RADM Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons. These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink. This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies. This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago."





Why machine gun a steel hulled ship? And how close to you have to get to fire a machine gun, but you still can't see the stars and stripes?

But maybe good ole LBJ would stage something like that
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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5995413 - 08/25/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know about the USS liberty, just another thing Israel supporters are in denial about.

Israel-Hey, give us all your money and support, while we get the world pissed off at you, and we will attack and kill your soldiers while we are at it. We also will not give you a single thing in return.

USA-OK

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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5995892 - 08/25/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomDr said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Ongoing_controversy
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This incident stands as the only peacetime attack on a U.S. naval vessel not investigated by Congress. The survivors want a full Congressional hearing[citation needed]; they hold that a proper investigation has never taken place and that all previous reports are incomplete, mention the incident in passing, and either that they are intended to exonerate Israel or that they do not even question the culpability of the attack (instead, they hold, it focuses on other topics, such as American communication problems).

In 2003, journalist Peter Hounam wrote Operation Cyanide: How the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III, which proposes a completely different theory regarding the incident. In an attempt to explain why there was no support by U.S. forces as backup, Hounam claims that Israel and U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson had secretly agreed on day four of the Six Day War that Liberty would be sunk with complete loss of life. The attack would be blamed on Egypt, allowing the U.S. in turn to attack Egypt, thus helping out Israel. However, according to Hounam's theory, because the Liberty did not sink after two hours, the plan was quickly reversed, Israel apologized for the case of mistaken identity, and a cover-up put into place. Likewise the BBC documentary (2002) claims that the Liberty incident provoked the launch of nuclear-armed planes targeted against Cairo from a US aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. They were recalled only just in time, when it was clear the Liberty had not sunk with all hands, and that Israel was responsible






Quote:

Details in dispute

The events surrounding the attack, even very simple elements such as its duration, are the subject of fierce controversy. Among the disputed facts:

* Visibility of ensign: The most vehemently debated point is the visibility of the large American flags that the ship was flying; Americans claimed the flags were clearly visible in the wind. The Israeli pilots claimed they were either unable to notice it altogether (possibly due to there being no wind, or because Liberty was steaming with the wind at the same speed that the wind was blowing), or considered it an Egyptian diversion aimed to mislead them. One point is beyond dispute: USS Liberty bore an eight-foot-high "5" and a four-foot-high "GTR" along either bow, clearly indicating her hull (or "pendant") number (AGTR-5), and had 18-inch-high letters spelling the vessel's name across the stern. These marking were not cursive Arabic script but in English.
* Israeli aircraft markings: American survivors of the attack unanimously assert that the Israeli aircraft were unmarked. Israel never responded to this claim.
* Jamming: An additional point on which Israel did not comment is the use of radio jamming. In the absence of reliable records, it is only left to speculate whether jamming (of Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies) did take place, or whether the deficiency in communications originated in the attack itself (i.e., loss of power and damage of antennas). Both Liberty and USS Saratoga radio operators reported hearing the distinctive buzzing sound usually indicative of radio frequency jamming. According to a book by Russell Warren Howe (see below), Captain McGonagle testified that the jamming of his transmissions had been on American, not Egyptian, frequencies, suggesting that the Israelis were aware of the nationality of the ship. The U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry concluded that Liberty experienced jamming (finding 47).
* Probability of identification: Americans claim the thirteen closer flybys of the previous two days should have been sufficient for identification. Israel acknowledged the ship had been identified as American and neutral the previous day; however, it claims that at 11 a.m., the ship moved out of the status board. An hour later, when explosions were heard in El-Arish, Israel claims to have reacquired the ship without being aware that it was the same one that was flown over the day before.
* Effort for identification: The American crew claims the attacking aircraft did not make identification runs over Liberty, but rather began to strafe immediately. One Israeli report claims several passes were made.
* Speed of the vessel: According to Israeli accounts, they made (admittedly erroneous) measurements that indicated the ship was steaming at 30 knots (56 km/h). Supposedly, Israeli naval doctrine at the time required that a ship traveling at that speed must be presumed to be a warship. The speed of Liberty was later recalculated to be 28 knots (52 km/h), although maximum sustained speed of Liberty was only 17.5 knots (32 km/h), 21 knots (39 km/h) being attainable by overriding the engine governors. According to Body of Secrets, by James Bamford, and Liberty crewmen (including the Officer-of-the-Deck), the ship was steaming at 5 knots (9 km/h) at the time of the attack.
* Visual communications: Joe Meadors, the signalman on bridge, states that "Immediately prior to the torpedo attack, he was on the Signal Bridge repeatedly sending 'USS Liberty U.S. Navy Ship' by flashing light to the torpedo boats." The Israeli boats claim to have read only the signal "AA", which was exactly the signal dispatched by the Egyptian destroyer Ibrahim Al-Awal when it was engaged by the Israeli Navy eleven years earlier. Meadors claims he never sent "AA" (which would require him to identify himself as well); this disagreement may be settled by considering the fact that Liberty was unable to read signals sent from the boats.
* Call for ID: Israel claims to have called the ship on radio several times without receiving an answer, while the American crew members deny ever receiving a call for identification. The crew's failure to receive any call for identification may be related to the possible Israeli jamming of radio frequencies. (Refer to Jamming above.)

* Israeli ships' actions after the torpedo hit: The American crew claims that after Liberty had been torpedoed, Israeli boats circled the ship firing machine guns at descended (unmanned) life rafts and sailors on board the ship. Israelis claim they recognized the ship as American immediately after it was hit and ceased fire. The former point of view was expressed by many of the crew members, while the latter one is reinforced by the lack of mention of the action by the ship's captain. The former point of view has also been corroborated by Captain Ward Boston, senior counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry.[11]
* Israeli offers of help: Reports differ regarding whether the Israeli boats offered help. The crew claims the torpedo boats simply withdrew, while the captain and the Israeli crew report that help was offered.
* U.S. rescue attempts: At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled, according to David Lewis, officer of the deck (OOD) during the attack. Lewis wrote and made an audio recording about a meeting 6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis requested in his cabins: "He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired. He told me that upon receipt of our SOS, aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified. He said that the Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier which was done. RADM Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons. These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink. This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies. This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago."





Why machine gun a steel hulled ship? And how close to you have to get to fire a machine gun, but you still can't see the stars and stripes?

But maybe good ole LBJ would stage something like that
[cough] gulf of Tonkin[/cough]




The Israelis did see the flag... They were told by US that were would be no US ships there so any warships would be attacked.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5995894 - 08/25/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
I know about the USS liberty, just another thing Israel supporters are in denial about.

Israel-Hey, give us all your money and support, while we get the world pissed off at you, and we will attack and kill your soldiers while we are at it. We also will not give you a single thing in return.

USA-OK

AIPAC, FTW!




Osama wasn't pissed US for supporting Israel. Osama got pissed because US troops were on Muslim soil. I already stated this fact but you continue to ignore it and keep thinking that if US stops supporting Israel then the Muslims will happily stop trying to attack the West.


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    #5995985 - 08/25/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Where did I say a damn thing about Osama?

How do you know what his motives were?

Osama is not the only guy who is pissed at the USA, in case you didn't know.


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    #5995997 - 08/25/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The Israelis did see the flag... They were told by US that were would be no US ships there so any warships would be attacked.




The ship was in International waters, it doesn't matter.

So your saying the Israeli's knew they were attacking a united states vessel?

AND IRAQ IS THE COUNTRY THAT THEY GO TO WAR WITH, LOL

I feel soooo bad for those who died on that ship, No consequences for mass murder.  :mad:


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    #5996435 - 08/25/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

internation waters, flying the stars & stripes, sailing at 5 knots, identified the day before, with English writing on its haul. The attack lasted HOURS.

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    #5996502 - 08/25/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I just don't understand how people can scream "conspiracy, wacko, nut job" when people suggest that Israel is in major control of the USA. Well not control, highly influential. Your media, judicial system, foreign policy, government etc etc etc are ALL highly influenced by Israeli/Jewish interests. It is treason if you ask me.

If you can't see that, you are in denial. (not talking to you Dr, just a general statement.)


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    #5996562 - 08/25/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ShroomDr said:
internation waters, flying the stars & stripes, sailing at 5 knots, identified the day before, with English writing on its haul. The attack lasted HOURS.

[cough]GULF OF TONKIN [/cough]




Yes it was identified the day before. That is why Israel said "a day before." You know, a day before? Like can they like put a tracking beacon on a ship? Like totaly?


By the way: Why did Iraq bomb our ship in 1987. Why did Israel kill 20 Israeli soldiers by bombing tanks which they thought were Syrian?

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I just don't understand how people can scream "conspiracy, wacko, nut job" when people suggest that Israel is in major control of the USA. Well not control, highly influential. Your media, judicial system, foreign policy, government etc etc etc are ALL highly influenced by Israeli/Jewish interests. It is treason if you ask me.

If you can't see that, you are in denial. (not talking to you Dr, just a general statement.)





I am not going to believe you for the same reason people 60 years ago didn't believe that Jews were the reason that the German economy sucked. Well, some people did believe that, they are called nazis and they still do believe that except now they believe that Jews faked the holocaust. I also won't ever believe you because stupid european christians said that the Plague was caused by Jews so they slaughtered Jewish villages in Europe.

"Accidents caused by "friendly fire" are not uncommon in wartime. In 1988, the U.S. Navy mistakenly downed an Iranian passenger plane, killing 290 civilians. During the Gulf War, 35 of the 148 Americans who died in battle were killed by "friendly fire." In fact, only the day before the Liberty was attacked, Israeli pilots accidentally bombed one of their own armored columns south of Jenin on the West Bank."

http://www.ussliberty.org/roth.htm


Also check Wiki for more info.

ONE QUESTION: You make conspiracy theories (hypothesi) all you want but you first need to explain why Israel would attack its on purpose and then offer to help tow the ship and rescue the sailors?


"1968: Friendly Fire: Crew of a U.S. helicopter, "misunderstanding" radio instructions of a Vietnamese Ranger officer, fires a rocket and a blast of machine gun fire at a South Vietnamese command post in Saigon, killing, among others, the Saigon Chief of Police."

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17058

Also lets not forget Pat Tillman who was killed by his own rangers.

Ok, who wants more stories of friendly fire turned into conspiracy theories?

Tons of friendly fire in vietnam: http://www.gruntonline.com/TheWar/friendly_fire3.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire#Incidents_and_persons

that wiki article includes some of the following:

2002 - American F-16 pilot Harry Schmidt killed four Canadian soldiers in an Afghanistan friendly fire incident.
1991 - American A-10 in the Gulf War attacks British APCs killing nine British soldiers (the same number as were killed by enemy fire in the whole war).
2005 - American soldier Mario Lozano killed Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari and wounded Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena in Baghdad. Sgrena had been kidnapped and subsequently rescued by Calipari. However it is claimed that the car they were escaping in failed to stopped at an American checkpoint, and US soldiers opened fire.
2005 - American troops opened fire on a Bulgarian convoy. Junior Sergeant Gardi Gardev is killed.

As for the Italian agent killed.... well, I remember people on here screaming "IT WAS PLANNED, THEY WANTED HIM DEAD FOR NEGOTIATING WITH THE SAND NIGGERS!!!!" or was that another site?


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5996697 - 08/25/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

ShroomDr said:
internation waters, flying the stars & stripes, sailing at 5 knots, identified the day before, with English writing on its haul. The attack lasted HOURS.

[cough]GULF OF TONKIN [/cough]




Yes it was identified the day before. That is why Israel said "a day before." You know, a day before? Like can they like put a tracking beacon on a ship? Like totaly?





OK, how many other naval ships did israel attack durring the six days war? (i'm pretty sure that they attacked 3 ships total)
Also, 5 knots is slow as fuck! Why would a ship at war be traveling that slow?

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Why did Israel kill 20 Israeli soldiers by bombing tanks which they thought were Syrian?





Because they are warmongerers, Attack first, ask questions later.
'Ah that's not an American ship, even though there is an American flag, it is an Egyptian ploy, even though they are in international waters, sailing too slow for war, and have English writing on them, not Arabic'

'As far as why do attack a US ship? How about you either did not believe it was a US ship (see above reasons why it was NOT an Arabic ship) or you were trying to cover up your war crimes in Egypt(Mass graves Israel has acknowledged, and offered to compensated for). The Liberty was a spy ship, and its signals were jammed throughout the attack.

Why would LBJ cover it up? Just another Texan imho, Why the gulf of Tonkin? Why did you need to be sworn in, in Dallas?
LBJ was as crooked as a televangelist!


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    #5996861 - 08/25/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ShroomDr said:
Quote:

downforpot said:
Quote:

ShroomDr said:
internation waters, flying the stars & stripes, sailing at 5 knots, identified the day before, with English writing on its haul. The attack lasted HOURS.

[cough]GULF OF TONKIN [/cough]




Yes it was identified the day before. That is why Israel said "a day before." You know, a day before? Like can they like put a tracking beacon on a ship? Like totaly?





OK, how many other naval ships did israel attack durring the six days war? (i'm pretty sure that they attacked 3 ships total)
Also, 5 knots is slow as fuck! Why would a ship at war be traveling that slow?

Quote:

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Why did Israel kill 20 Israeli soldiers by bombing tanks which they thought were Syrian?





Because they are warmongerers, Attack first, ask questions later.
'Ah that's not an American ship, even though there is an American flag, it is an Egyptian ploy, even though they are in international waters, sailing too slow for war, and have English writing on them, not Arabic'

'As far as why do attack a US ship? How about you either did not believe it was a US ship (see above reasons why it was NOT an Arabic ship) or you were trying to cover up your war crimes in Egypt(Mass graves Israel has acknowledged, and offered to compensated for). The Liberty was a spy ship, and its signals were jammed throughout the attack.

Why would LBJ cover it up? Just another Texan imho, Why the gulf of Tonkin? Why did you need to be sworn in, in Dallas?
LBJ was as crooked as a televangelist!




Every friendly fire incident in every war and by every country can be said to be caused by war mongers. Keep chanting.

You have been making up " MAYBE" ideas out of the situation. Just like the people that said "maybe Pat Tillman was killed because he was a democrat," "maybe USA shot down an Iranian passenger plane to escalate the situation," "Maybe the Italian agent was killed because Italian negotiated with the kidnappers."

Basically yea, keep making up conspiracy theories (hypothesi).


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5996915 - 08/25/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
Quote:

alpharedecho said:
I know about the USS liberty, just another thing Israel supporters are in denial about.

Israel-Hey, give us all your money and support, while we get the world pissed off at you, and we will attack and kill your soldiers while we are at it. We also will not give you a single thing in return.

USA-OK

AIPAC, FTW!




Osama wasn't pissed US for supporting Israel. Osama got pissed because US troops were on Muslim soil. I already stated this fact but you continue to ignore it and keep thinking that if US stops supporting Israel then the Muslims will happily stop trying to attack the West.




Uh, ObL is also pissed off at the US for supporting Israel. Have you even read his statements before?

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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: NamelessRevolt]
    #5996933 - 08/25/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.ussliberty.org/

I believe the USS liberty was attacked because it may have been spying on Israeli communications. Nobody really knows for sure except that confusing the USS liberty for an Egyptian warship is a fucking lie.

This is a classic case of people within the gov't being angry but not being able to do anything because of the massive influence of the Jews.

Fun Fact: McGonagle was the only person who have recieved the Medal of Honor in secret by someone who wasn't the president.

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    #5996964 - 08/25/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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NamelessRevolt said:
Quote:

downforpot said:
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alpharedecho said:
I know about the USS liberty, just another thing Israel supporters are in denial about.

Israel-Hey, give us all your money and support, while we get the world pissed off at you, and we will attack and kill your soldiers while we are at it. We also will not give you a single thing in return.

USA-OK

AIPAC, FTW!




Osama wasn't pissed US for supporting Israel. Osama got pissed because US troops were on Muslim soil. I already stated this fact but you continue to ignore it and keep thinking that if US stops supporting Israel then the Muslims will happily stop trying to attack the West.




Uh, ObL is also pissed off at the US for supporting Israel. Have you even read his statements before?




Why didn't he care before we started stationing troops on Arab soil? Have I missed his statements? Have you missed the statements of countless terrorists and kidnappers making bullshit demands that have nothing or little to do with their main objective?

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http://www.ussliberty.org/

I believe the USS liberty was attacked because it may have been spying on Israeli communications. Nobody really knows for sure except that confusing the USS liberty for an Egyptian warship is a fucking lie.

This is a classic case of people within the gov't being angry but not being able to do anything because of the massive influence of the Jews.






And Pat Tillman was killed because he was a Democrat. And Israel killed 20 of its own troops with an air attack because the pilot was pmsing.

Did I mention that US troops killed an Italian agent because Italy negotiated with the kidnappers? It's the truth, I swear....


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #5999551 - 08/26/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
Quote:

ShroomDr said:
internation waters, flying the stars & stripes, sailing at 5 knots, identified the day before, with English writing on its haul. The attack lasted HOURS.

[cough]GULF OF TONKIN [/cough]




Yes it was identified the day before. That is why Israel said "a day before." You know, a day before? Like can they like put a tracking beacon on a ship? Like totaly?

Let me start off by saying, I absolutely hate debating you. You don't address the points, and just talk out of your ass. IF THE SHIP WAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED, HOW IS IT FRIENDLY FIRE? They knew what they were hitting, and continued to hit it for hours. Address that fact, and not some irrelevent part of my post. You are just making our points for us, saying the Israeli's knew it was an American ship for days, do you realize that? Also, that shit about the beacons, and the "like totally" crap just shows you have no points to stand on.


By the way: Why did Iraq bomb our ship in 1987. Why did Israel kill 20 Israeli soldiers by bombing tanks which they thought were Syrian?

Again, irrelevant

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
I just don't understand how people can scream "conspiracy, wacko, nut job" when people suggest that Israel is in major control of the USA. Well not control, highly influential. Your media, judicial system, foreign policy, government etc etc etc are ALL highly influenced by Israeli/Jewish interests. It is treason if you ask me.

If you can't see that, you are in denial. (not talking to you Dr, just a general statement.)





I am not going to believe you for the same reason people 60 years ago didn't believe that Jews were the reason that the German economy sucked. Well, some people did believe that, they are called nazis and they still do believe that except now they believe that Jews faked the holocaust. I also won't ever believe you because stupid european christians said that the Plague was caused by Jews so they slaughtered Jewish villages in Europe.

Again, you bring up irrelevent points, you say you wont believe me based on the actions of people 40 years before I was born. Wow, that makes a lot of sense. I don't give a flying fuck what other people believe, so STOP bringing up the beliefs of OTHERS to debate ME. I repeat: STOP bringing up the beliefs of OTHERS to debate ME. You are possibly the worse debator on these boards.

"Accidents caused by "friendly fire" are not uncommon in wartime. In 1988, the U.S. Navy mistakenly downed an Iranian passenger plane, killing 290 civilians. During the Gulf War, 35 of the 148 Americans who died in battle were killed by "friendly fire." In fact, only the day before the Liberty was attacked, Israeli pilots accidentally bombed one of their own armored columns south of Jenin on the West Bank."

You link us to a quote that is irrelavent. I don't care that America brought down an Iranian passanger plane, we are discussing the USS Liberty. You already admitted that the Israeli's KNEW it was an American ship a day before. So WHY did they attack it for hours, killing over 160 US soldiers? Address my points, Do not bring up shit about some Iranian event that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

http://www.ussliberty.org/roth.htm


Also check Wiki for more info.

ONE QUESTION: You make conspiracy theories (hypothesi) all you want but you first need to explain why Israel would attack its on purpose and then offer to help tow the ship and rescue the sailors?

It's called a false flag operation, they attacked with the ONLY planes that were not marked in their entire fleet. Therefore making America believe it was Egypt. Why would they rescue them? Are you serious, you can't figure out why they would go rescue them? You never cease to amaze me. The reason they went and rescued them, was so they would not seem guilty of what they had just done, with their UN-MARKED planes.


"1968: Friendly Fire: Crew of a U.S. helicopter, "misunderstanding" radio instructions of a Vietnamese Ranger officer, fires a rocket and a blast of machine gun fire at a South Vietnamese command post in Saigon, killing, among others, the Saigon Chief of Police."

AGAIN, NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17058

Also lets not forget Pat Tillman who was killed by his own rangers.

Ok, who wants more stories of friendly fire turned into conspiracy theories?

Tons of friendly fire in vietnam: http://www.gruntonline.com/TheWar/friendly_fire3.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire#Incidents_and_persons

that wiki article includes some of the following:

2002 - American F-16 pilot Harry Schmidt killed four Canadian soldiers in an Afghanistan friendly fire incident.
1991 - American A-10 in the Gulf War attacks British APCs killing nine British soldiers (the same number as were killed by enemy fire in the whole war).
2005 - American soldier Mario Lozano killed Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari and wounded Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena in Baghdad. Sgrena had been kidnapped and subsequently rescued by Calipari. However it is claimed that the car they were escaping in failed to stopped at an American checkpoint, and US soldiers opened fire.
2005 - American troops opened fire on a Bulgarian convoy. Junior Sergeant Gardi Gardev is killed.

As for the Italian agent killed.... well, I remember people on here screaming "IT WAS PLANNED, THEY WANTED HIM DEAD FOR NEGOTIATING WITH THE SAND NIGGERS!!!!" or was that another site?




AGAIN, NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT


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:rofl:

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    #5999682 - 08/26/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Which part? The donations or the USS Liberty accident? I am reffering to the USS Liberty accident and giving people examples of other friendly fire accidents which were blown out of proportion by conspiracy theorists.


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    #5999683 - 08/26/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Address my points in the previous post.


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    #5999722 - 08/26/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Which post? The first post?


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: NamelessRevolt]
    #6000433 - 08/26/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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NamelessRevolt said:
http://www.ussliberty.org/

I believe the USS liberty was attacked because it may have been spying on Israeli communications. Nobody really knows for sure except that confusing the USS liberty for an Egyptian warship is a fucking lie.

This is a classic case of people within the gov't being angry but not being able to do anything because of the massive influence of the Jews.

Fun Fact: McGonagle was the only person who have recieved the Medal of Honor in secret by someone who wasn't the president.




This is the real reason I believe also. I think LBJ was covering for the Israelies. All I was doing was pointing out that Israel doesnt take shit from anybody. They do what they want, when they want.

Even if you don't think it was staged, (which i do not), do you believe that it could have been covered up by LBJ?

I've pushed this topic way off track with my initial USS Liberty reference.


As far as giving money to another nations armed forces. Does anyone think that is a good idea?
And please EXPLAIN


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6000626 - 08/27/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.ussliberty.org/

I believe the USS liberty was attacked because it may have been spying on Israeli communications. Nobody really knows for sure except that confusing the USS liberty for an Egyptian warship is a fucking lie.

This is a classic case of people within the gov't being angry but not being able to do anything because of the massive influence of the Jews.

Fun Fact: McGonagle was the only person who have recieved the Medal of Honor in secret by someone who wasn't the president.




This is the real reason I believe also. I think LBJ was covering for the Israelies. All I was doing was pointing out that Israel doesnt take shit from anybody. They do what they want, when they want.

Even if you don't think it was staged, (which i do not), do you believe that it could have been covered up by LBJ?

I've pushed this topic way off track with my initial USS Liberty reference.


As far as giving money to another nations armed forces. Does anyone think that is a good idea?
And please EXPLAIN




Yes. Israel is not just some nation, it is our sister nation and one of the few nations in that region that doesn't want americans dead.

Also there have been a lot of close ties between US and Jews for a long time. Jews have lived in the US since the 13 colonies so it's not just giving money to some nation. It is a piece of our nation over there fighting over a homeland.

By the way: The government cannot keep a secret, that is a fact. Every bullshit act the government commited has been discovered by the public. The same goes for people that scream Bush planned the 9/11 attacks. Are you telling me that they can keep that a secret but can't keep the wiretaping, money tranfers, gitmo, etc etc. under wraps?


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #6001336 - 08/27/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes. Israel is not just some nation, it is our sister nation
NO, England is our sister nation
and one of the few nations in that region that doesn't want americans dead.
What nation wants american 'dead'  Horrible gerneralization.  Who will they trade with, and who would trade with them?  Where do they get Coca-Cola, Nike, and Baseball? Horrible gerneralization.  It's like saying all southerners are lazy, and hate blacks, because they are lazy

Also there have been a lot of close ties between US and Jews for a long time. Jews have lived in the US since the 13 colonies
Jews have lived EVERYWHERE since before the 1700's, citing our first states says nothing.  Until the anti-semitism of the late 19th and early 20th century, Jews were not more prevelant here than other countries
so it's not just giving money to some nation. It is a piece of our nation over there fighting over a homeland.
I disagree.

By the way: The government cannot keep a secret, that is a fact. Every bullshit act the government commited has been discovered by the public. The same goes for people that scream Bush planned the 9/11 attacks. Are you telling me that they can keep that a secret but can't keep the wiretaping, money tranfers, gitmo, etc etc. under wraps?
I don't know what your talking about here, or where the statement is comming from.  I don't think Bush covered up USS Liberty, But I do believe it was 'swept under the rug' by LBJ    <---I'm sure our govt stopped doing that sort of thing though :tokeeporder: [/sarcasm]




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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #6004793 - 08/28/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
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ShroomDr said:
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http://www.ussliberty.org/

I believe the USS liberty was attacked because it may have been spying on Israeli communications. Nobody really knows for sure except that confusing the USS liberty for an Egyptian warship is a fucking lie.

This is a classic case of people within the gov't being angry but not being able to do anything because of the massive influence of the Jews.

Fun Fact: McGonagle was the only person who have received the Medal of Honor in secret by someone who wasn't the president.




This is the real reason I believe also. I think LBJ was covering for the Israelis. All I was doing was pointing out that Israel doesn't take shit from anybody. They do what they want, when they want.

Even if you don't think it was staged, (which i do not), do you believe that it could have been covered up by LBJ?

I've pushed this topic way off track with my initial USS Liberty reference.


As far as giving money to another nations armed forces. Does anyone think that is a good idea?
And please EXPLAIN




Yes. Israel is not just some nation, it is our sister nation and one of the few nations in that region that doesn't want Americans dead.

Also there have been a lot of close ties between US and Jews for a long time. Jews have lived in the US since the 13 colonies so it's not just giving money to some nation. It is a piece of our nation over there fighting over a homeland.

By the way: The government cannot keep a secret, that is a fact. Every bullshit act the government committed has been discovered by the public. The same goes for people that scream Bush planned the 9/11 attacks. Are you telling me that they can keep that a secret but can't keep the wiretapping, money transfers, gitmo, etc etc. under wraps?




Israel is the USA's sister nation eh? I'm sure you being Jewish doesn't have a thing to do with that statement.

As far as I'm concerned Israel is a blood sucking parasite which takes, takes, takes, and offers nothing to the USA in return. All the while, making the USA a less safe place in the world, due to it's unexplainable, unconditional support of a FOREIGN nation. I could explain it, but you would say "conspiracy" even though it is pretty clear who is running the show in the USA these days.

The USA is primarily white Christians, so by your logic, America should be giving aid to Britain, France, Germany, ETC ETC.

Lets break this down, Jews make up about 2% of the United States population and Israel receives 3 billion a year from the government.

So that means America should send to Africa(12% of pop) 18 billion.

They should also send Europe(70% of pop) 105 billion.

9/11 is a hard issue to argue, since so many people died. They see it as a slap in the face when you try and argue the official story. It is being unraveled slowly but surely.

I will believe the official story when there is concrete proof to support it. Right now, there are far to many unanswered questions.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6005246 - 08/28/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually US gave a SHITLOAD of money to Britain and other parts of Europe after WWII to ensure that Communism would not conquer those areas. And there were people against giving US taxpayer money to Europe.

We are also still sending a lot of money to Southern America to make sure communism does not spread there.

So basically there was opposition from Americans towards the Marshall Plan and there is currently opposition by Americans towards aid for Israel and other countries which are on the front lines of our fight against ideology that threatens our way of life.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #6005418 - 08/28/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, you address a single point, and not very well. Is Europe receiving 105 billion a year, every year, including this year, and all future years?

I don't think we have to be worried about Islam spreading to North America unless we don't stop letting them Immigrate here.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6005812 - 08/28/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually Europe recieved 130 billion in today's dollars, that is in today's money. That is American tax money. THANK GOD AMERICAN politicians didn't listen to people like you during that time.

Actually I am for letting Muslims immigrating to America and creating programs to help assimilitate them.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #6007028 - 08/29/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Where did I say the post war aid to Europe was a BAD thing?????????

It was a great thing, it had a purpose. Not like the aid to Israel, they get 3 billion a year for no other reason than being the chosen ones. They are a first world nation, give that aid to people who actually need it.

ALL TIME AID after WW2 130 billion.......but according to your logic, they should receive 105 billion, this year, next year and every year Israel receives 3 billion. Also all previous years, starting with 1945.

Not to mention the population of Israel is only like what? 6 million, while the population of Europe is what? 800 million? So if we factor in these ratios, America should send Europe 1 trillion a year or so.

You don't get it, Israel receives a ridiculous amount of aid, just because there were Jews in America since the 13 colonies, according to you. It is like a "sister nation".

Well, what about Europe, surely a place that makes up 70% of the American population deserves something a year. If you make it proportional to Israeli Aid, they should get about 1 trillion a year, EVERY YEAR!

See how ridiculous that is, America has been hi-jacked, IMO.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6007726 - 08/29/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Are you retarded?




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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6007827 - 08/29/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Did you read his post? He wrote

"Actually Europe recieved 130 billion in today's dollars, that is in today's money. That is American tax money. THANK GOD AMERICAN politicians didn't listen to people like you during that time."

So because I am arguing Israel gets too much aid, that all of a sudden means I think America should not have sent any money to post war Europe.

This guy keeps talking about how he goes to private schools, and how smart he is, but he is not fooling me for a second.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6007844 - 08/29/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I understand. :grin:

I'm just saying, relax a bit, focus on effectively communicating your point. Asking if he is retarded, in such a manner, will probably just lead to trouble. :wink:

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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6007857 - 08/29/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

True enough, but this stuff is getting old, I can't stand arguing this guy. He brings up stuff that is irrelevant and argues it like crazy. What wasted effort on his part. lol

Check out the other thread "Guys, I gotta Say", you will see what I mean.


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    #6008008 - 08/29/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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True enough, but this stuff is getting old, I can't stand arguing this guy.




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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6008781 - 08/29/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ALL TIME AID after WW2 130 billion.......but according to your logic, they should receive 105 billion, this year, next year and every year Israel receives 3 billion. Also all previous years, starting with 1945.




When did I say Israel should receive 130 billion every year? And Europe did not receive all of it at once...

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Not to mention the population of Israel is only like what? 6 million, while the population of Europe is what? 800 million? So if we factor in these ratios, America should send Europe 1 trillion a year or so.




Why should Europe get 1 trillion a year now? We helped them and now they can fend for themselves.



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See how ridiculous that is, America has been hi-jacked, IMO.




Yea yea yea, America has been hijacked and the Jews plan to invade Mars. Honestly man, stop with the conspiracy theories because they aren't making you look very informed.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #6008996 - 08/29/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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ALL TIME AID after WW2 130 billion.......but according to your logic, they should receive 105 billion, this year, next year and every year Israel receives 3 billion. Also all previous years, starting with 1945.




When did I say Israel should receive 130 billion every year? And Europe did not receive all of it at once...

You didn't......and so what?

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Not to mention the population of Israel is only like what? 6 million, while the population of Europe is what? 800 million? So if we factor in these ratios, America should send Europe 1 trillion a year or so.




Why should Europe get 1 trillion a year now? We helped them and now they can fend for themselves.

Why can't Israel fend for them selves? They have more than enough money and weapons.
The 1 trillion figure comes from this, now pay attention, cause I don't want to have to write this again. Jews make up 2% of the American population, while European Christians make up about 70%. Since we give 3 billion a year to Israel for no other reason then there being Jews in America, Europe should receive 105 billion(3 billion * 35(since there are 35 times more European Christians in America than Jews).
Now, take that number and factor in the populations of the people receiving them. Israel has 6 million people while Europe has 800 million people. 800/6 = 133 that means there are 133 times more people in Europe than in Israel, so that means Europe should receive 133 times the amount(105 billion), Israel receives which actually works out to 14 trillion.

I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY, "we don't need to give Europe money, they don't need it, we already gave them aid after the war, etc etc" SO YOU CAN SAVE IT.

MY POINT IS, SINCE WE ARE GIVING ISRAEL THIS AID, FOR NO REASON I CAN FIGURE OUT(THEY ARE A 1st WORLD NATION). THEN WHY SHOULD EUROPE NOT GET AN EQUAL SHARE BASED ON THEIR POPULATION IN EUROPE AND THEIR NUMBERS IN THE USA.

OBVIOUSLY I DON"T THINK EUROPE DESERVES ANY AID, BUT NEITHER DOES ISRAEL. America paying Israel 3 billion a year, would be equivalent to America paying Europe 14 trillion a year. Why does Israel get SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much money?????????


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See how ridiculous that is, America has been hi-jacked, IMO.




Yea yea yea, America has been hijacked and the Jews plan to invade Mars. Honestly man, stop with the conspiracy theories because they aren't making you look very informed.




Oh yeah, good points you brought up there.  :rolleyes:

AMERICA IS GIVING ISRAEL AN INSANE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BASED ON THEIR TINY POPULATION, IN ISRAEL, AND IN AMERICA!

DON'T FORGET THE NAME OF THIS THREAD, DONATIONS TO ISRAEL ARE TAX DEDUCTIBLE, SO THAT'S EVEN MORE AID FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

If you are going to reply, prove my points wrong, don't spout out your double speak about random, irrelevant shit!


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: downforpot]
    #6009001 - 08/29/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We've been supporting Israel for long enough and now they should have to fend for themselves? How about that?

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    #6009319 - 08/29/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We will decide when they can fend for themselves.


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    #6009465 - 08/29/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, AIPAC will.


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6015961 - 08/31/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Fanatic Muslims believe the only guarantee they have of getting into heaven is to die while doing jihad or achieving victory.

From Islam and Terrorism Chapter 4 by Mark Gabriel

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There is only one way to guarantee entrance into Paradise - and this makes the perfect motive for suicide bombers and jihad fighters. The only way to know for sure that you will get into Paradise is to die in jihad - to die while fighting the enemy of Islam.
Jihad simply means that Muslims must fight the enemy of Allah until the enemies or the Muslims die.





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Let those (believers) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allah, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allah, and is killed or gets victory, We shall besto on him a great reward.






Since death of the muslims doing jihad is one of the acceptable goals according to Islamic teachings, then this means Israel makes an excellent and necessary Islamic terrorist extermination system. If Israel fell, the Islamic terrorists won't stop their jihad against the non-muslims. Give the Islamic terrorists what they want most, death while doing jihad. When the Islamic terrorist genes are weeded out of society, then there will be peace. The Israelis are a lot braver than the PeeCee Europeans who will be continually attacked next after Israel and Lebanon falls to the Islamic terrorists.

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Editorial: Are more SUV terrorists among us?


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Aug 31, 2006 5:00 AM (8 hrs ago)

WASHINGTON - One calm and collected Muslim immigrant spouting hatred of America and Jews after suddenly ramming a sport utility vehicle into a crowd of students at the University of North Carolina does not a trend make. But now we have a second calm and collected immigrant Muslim behind the wheel of an SUV suddenly careening through the streets of San Francisco hitting and killing one man and injuring 14 more people.

Mere coincidence? Maybe, but the evidence has been accumulating for months and even years that these kinds of events are anything but coincidental. It is only prudent to consider the possibility that there will be more such incidents because they are examples of what Middle East expert Daniel Pipes calls “Sudden Jihadist Syndrome.” That is, Muslims who follow the most extreme jihadist advocates of hatred for Jews, Christians, Israel, America and Western civilization, unexpectedly acting on what they have been taught, including the rationalizations for mass murder.

Consider that in the UNC incident, Iranian immigrant Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar told police that he sought to “punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world,” that “people all over the world are being killed in war and now it is the people in the United States turn to be killed” and that he intended to “avenge the deaths of Muslims around the world.” Even as he planned his attack for nearly two years while attending school, he impressed others on campus as quiet, intelligent and friendly.

Now comes Afghani immigrant Omeed Aziz Popal, who according to San Francisco police investigators, showed absolutely no remorse, remained quite calm after being stopped and would say only that he ran over his victims because “he wanted to.” Let it be noted that authorities also say Popal clearly intended to hit each of his victims and that his rampage struck a predominantly Jewish neighborhood hardest, ending near a Jewish Community Center. A witness told a San Francisco television station that Popal called himself a “terrorist” after being arrested and handcuffed at the scene.

This meme of Mr. Nice Guy Muslim Neighbor suddenly exploding in a murderous assault upon innocent Americans or other Westerners — often in locales one would never consider likely killing grounds — is becoming all too familiar. Besides the UNC and San Francisco SUV incidents, the Sudden Jihadist Syndrome was evident in these previous incidents, as noted by Pipes:

“Were Mr. Taheri-azar unique in his surreptitious adoption of radical Islam, one could ignore his case, but he fits into a widespread pattern of Muslims who lead quiet lives before turning to terrorism. Their number includes the hijackers responsible for the attacks of Sept. 11, the London transport bombers, and the Intel engineer arrested before he could join the Taliban in Afghanistan, Maher Hawash.

“A Saudi living in Houston, Mohammed Ali Alayed, fit the pattern because he stabbed and murdered a Jewish man, Ariel Sellouk, who was his one-time friend. So do some converts to Islam; who suspected a 38-year-old Belgian woman, Muriel Degauque, would turn up in Iraq as a suicide bomber throwing herself against an American military base.”

Considering that U.S. border and immigration controls have been almost laughably ineffective for years, we ought not be surprised to find we have many Sudden Jihadist Syndrome time bombs walking among us.


http://www.examiner.com/a-254232~Editorial__Are_more_SUV_terrorists_among_us_.html

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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Luddite]
    #6015978 - 08/31/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Luddite]
    #6015979 - 08/31/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)
There are two types of Jihad against the Kuffar

1- Offensive Jihad
2- Defensive Jihad

1- Offensive Jihad is when the Muslims launch an offensive attack. If this attack is on the Kuffar who have previously received the message of Islam, then to call them towards Islam before commencement of the attack is considered preferable.

However, if the message of Islam has not reached them, then the Kuffar will be invited towards Islam. If they reject this true faith, then they will have to pay Jizyah (Kufr tax). If they refuse to submit to the payment of Jizyah then the Muslims are to fight against them. With this type of Jihad the Kuffar who plot against the Muslims are repelled and their hearts are filled with fear, so that they do not succeed in their plans.

The offensive Jihad is Fardh Kifayah, the purpose of which is to ensure the Kuffar remain terrorised and away from mischief, thereby, allowing the message of Islam to be conveyed without any obstructions.

If one group of Muslims fulfil this obligation then it will be sufficient on behalf of all Muslims, but if there are no Muslims fulfilling this obligation then everyone is considered sinful.

It is stated in Fatawa Shami: It is required of the Imam (leader) of the Muslims to dispatch the army routinely once or twice a year towards the Kufr countries. It is also the duty of the Muslim public to assist the Imam in this noble cause. If the Imam does not send an army, then he will considered sinful.

The majority of Jihad undertaken at the time of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was within the category of offensive Jihad.

The Quran has called upon the Muslims to undertake the offensive Jihad and when this obligation is satisfactorily fulfilled there would be no apparent need for the defensive Jihad.

When Muslims neglect this important obligation then they are subjected to the defensive Jihad and this has become, with regret, widely common in our time.


http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

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Re: Donations To Israeli Military Are Tax-Deductible! [Re: Luddite]
    #6016077 - 08/31/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are full of shit, I'm not even going to bother replying. Are you Jewish?


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