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Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest
    #5993002 - 08/24/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

U.S. District Judge Who Presided Over Government Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and judicial abuse, announced today that Judge Anna Diggs Taylor, who last week ruled the government’s warrantless wiretapping program unconstitutional, serves as a Secretary and Trustee for a foundation that donated funds to the ACLU of Michigan, a plaintiff in the case (ACLU et. al v. National Security Agency). Judicial Watch discovered the potential conflict of interest after reviewing Judge Diggs Taylor’s financial disclosure statements.

According to her 2003 and 2004 financial disclosure statements, Judge Diggs Taylor served as Secretary and Trustee for the Community Foundation for Southeastern Michigan (CFSEM). She was reelected to this position in June 2005. The official CFSEM website states that the foundation made a “recent grant” of $45,000 over two years to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan, a plaintiff in the wiretapping case. Judge Diggs Taylor sided with the ACLU of Michigan in her recent decision.

According to the CFSEM website, “The Foundation’s trustees make all funding decisions at meetings held on a quarterly basis.”

“This potential conflict of interest merits serious investigation,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “If Judge Diggs Taylor failed to disclose this link to a plaintiff in a case before her court, it would certainly call into question her judgment.”

(Judge Diggs Taylor is also the presiding judge in another case where she may have a conflict of interest. The Arab Community Center for Social and Economic Services (ACCESS) is a defendant in another case now before Judge Diggs Taylor’s court [Case No. 06-10968 (Mich. E.D.)]. In 2003, the CFSEM donated $180,000 to ACCESS.)


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Luddite]
    #5993565 - 08/24/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dont understand. I guess they can pull facts from anywhere to make a story swing their way.


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Luddite]
    #5993576 - 08/24/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What the fuck difference does it make, what they did was illegal.


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5994097 - 08/24/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
What the fuck difference does it make, what they did was illegal.



Its only been ruled illegal by Her.

And she took money from the plaintiff (The ACLU)

I think it (NSA wiretapping) should be illegal, but I don't want a ruling like that. Lets hope that a higher appeals court rules in favor of the ALCU also, making her a non-issue.


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5994327 - 08/24/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i don't see why this is an issue.....warantless searches are entirely unconstitutional and it's clear to any rational mind that they didn't have cellphones in constintuitonal days, but would have highly disapproved of stationing spies outside everyone's home to listen to their conversations.

I mean vested interest? vested interest? well ummmm let's see Haliburton + Cheney + Iraq + Oil = ?

the ACLU is a GOOD vested interest!


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5995087 - 08/25/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> And she took money from the plaintiff (The ACLU)

Eh?

Perhaps you should read a bit closer.  Let me help:

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Judge Diggs Taylor served as Secretary and Trustee for the Community Foundation for Southeastern Michigan (CFSEM). She was reelected to this position in June 2005. The official CFSEM website states that the foundation made a “recent grant” of $45,000 over two years to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan




So she was part of a group that donated money to a local branch of the ACLU... somebody is really scraping the bottom of the barrel to dig up dirt against this ruling... If they want to start talking about conflict of interest, how about taking a long look at those no-bid contracts that went to Halliburton... they were wroth a hell of a lot more than $45k over two years...  :rolleyes:


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: leery11]
    #5995598 - 08/25/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

leery11 writes:

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i don't see why this is an issue.....warantless searches are entirely unconstitutional...




Incorrect. There are nearly two dozen instances where the courts have ruled warrantless searches are not unconsitutional. Searches by customs agents of Americans crossing the border back into the United States is one most Americans would be familiar with, but it is by no means the only one. There's a detailed list of them here --

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200512201735.asp



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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Seuss]
    #5995630 - 08/25/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Seuss writes:

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So she was part of a group that donated money to a local branch of the ACLU... somebody is really scraping the bottom of the barrel to dig up dirt against this ruling...




The ACLU was the lead plaintiff in the case she heard. If it had been a conservative judge who had ruled the other way and been found to have an appearance of conflict of interest, you can be sure the MSM would have this plastered all over the front pages for a week.

As it happens, it is quite irrelevant. There is no need to dig up any "dirt" on the judge. Her ruling is probably the sloppiest piece of judicial "reasoning" I have come across yet, and with some of the recent rulings of the Supreme Court, that's saying a lot. There isn't a hope in hell the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals will uphold it. She'll be reversed there for sure.

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If they want to start talking about conflict of interest, how about taking a long look at those no-bid contracts that went to Halliburton... they were wroth a hell of a lot more than $45k over two years...




It is no surprise the contracts went to Halliburton. It couldn't have been otherwise, since Halliburton had won (for the second time) the multi-year "standing offer"-type no-bid contract authorized by congressional legislation. This happened back when Clinton was still president and there were still a few years left to run on the contract when hostilities were resumed in Iraq in March of 2003.



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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Phred]
    #5996689 - 08/25/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Phred said:
leery11 writes:

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i don't see why this is an issue.....warantless searches are entirely unconstitutional...




Incorrect. There are nearly two dozen instances where the courts have ruled warrantless searches are not unconsitutional. Searches by customs agents of Americans crossing the border back into the United States is one most Americans would be familiar with, but it is by no means the only one. There's a detailed list of them here --

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200512201735.asp



Phred




judges can rule whatever they want..... the founding fathers made it explicit to not search american citizens without warrant and/or probable cause and they would be having a hooplah over spying.

imagine in the Olde Tymes if spies were sitting outside every window watching families..... it would be unheard of.

Perhaps customs searches could be loosely construed as "okay" (and I can understand their reasoning) but illegal mass spying, databasing, and monitoring of ordinary American citizens? Not cool.

of course though terrorism itself should be fought and tools should be utilized to do so, the issue is penalizing and predatorizing and oppressing the American populus at large by using terror investigation as a front.

there are many ways to abuse this even assuming we are and always will stay a roughly "free" nation, the war on drugs being an instance [and a clear marker of overt fascism and explicit use of police state tactics], monitoring and harrassing and profiling and databsing those who disagree with the "administration" being another.


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: leery11]
    #5996856 - 08/25/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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...the founding fathers made it explicit to not search american citizens without warrant and/or probable cause...




And there you have it. The Fourth Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. It also specifies that in the case of warrants being issued, there must be probable cause to believe the exercising of the search warrant will uncover some wrongdoing.

Nowhere in the Fourth Amendment does it state that a warrant is a prerequisite for either search or seizure -- only that if such a warrant is requested, it must be backed up with enough convincing information to persuade the issuing judge that it is reasonable to issue the warrant.

You may have convinced yourself that while it is reasonable to listen to Al Qaeda operative Habib in Pakistan plotting with Abdul in Kabul and Mahmoud in Mosul, but as soon as he calls Farouk in Dearborn Michigan it is unreasonable to continue listening, but rational people -- judges included -- know better.



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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Phred]
    #5997260 - 08/25/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no that's not what i convinced myself.

i convinced myself that if i say pot on a phone it shouldn't be flagged for review..... etc.


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: leery11]
    #6000685 - 08/27/06 02:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> Nowhere in the Fourth Amendment does it state that a warrant is a prerequisite for either search or seizure

Nowhere does it say a warrant is not a prerequisite, either. However, in the same breath (sentence) it mentions both unreasonable searches and how warrants for searches must be obtained. I don't know what the writers meant, but I can easily read the passage to mean that a warrant as a prerequisite was implied.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.




Not that it matters... what does matter is how the courts interpret what the writers meant, and in this case (as most) the courts have given authority to the system rather than leaving it with the people... thus, as Phred pointed out, American citizens can be presumed guilty and searched without cause or warrants in order to prove that they are innocent before allowing them to proceed further into the country.


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Seuss]
    #6001373 - 08/27/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, You caught me speed reading, I knew someone gave someone money, and that is enough to question impartiality

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Seuss said:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.




I'm pretty sure i saw some egg head who was either in charge of the NSA or a 'higher up' within the NSA that takes exception with the word probable. He kept using his own word, but i can not remember what the exact word was.

It might have been 'possible' or maybe something else
Anyway, some reporter was grilling him on it, and he made a point to note the word and say that because his wording gave him the power to spy and 'probable' did not.

If i saw a picture of this dude i would recognize him, he was dressed in military garb.


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Re: Wiretapping Case May Have Had Conflict of Interest [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6002023 - 08/27/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I also saw that press conference and I believe the egghead you are thinking of is NSA Director Lt. Gen Michael Hayden.



Instead of saying that the gov't needs "probable cause" to obtain a search warrant, he used the phrase "reasonably believe".

You can watch him argue with a reporter over it at 49:15 in Alex Jone's new movie Terrorstorm.


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