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xmush
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: Mead]
#5983411 - 08/21/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ahh, red not twisty. But for someone who hasn't found a gazillion subbs, a spore print is pretty definitive. Once someone has found lots of foens and subbs, then the more subtle characteristics - gill collor and shape, stem color and shape etc. become just as definitive. And for the record everyone, mead has found lots and lots of subbs and posted great pictures of them.
Oh crap, there is a bowing smiley - this is who i was looking for! or How did I not see those?
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Mead

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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? *DELETED* [Re: xmush]
#5983430 - 08/21/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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psiclops
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: Mead]
#5983662 - 08/21/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't believe anyone would argue about who is better at finding Pan. subbalteatus.
What a shitty mushroom to the king of. Yeah, I left a dangling preposition...so what?
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: psiclops]
#5983667 - 08/21/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hah. This thread took an interesting turn....
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xmush
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: psiclops]
#5983740 - 08/21/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who was arguing about being a better subbs hunter? I thought we had a helpful discussion about the merits of different identifying characteristics ( a discussion that I *won* btw ). Psiclops, you've been getting cranky lately. Cranky like someone who hasn't gotten any in a while. hehe
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psiclops
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: xmush]
#5983812 - 08/21/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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heheheh. You got me...I know when I'm beat. You win.
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Mead

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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? *DELETED* [Re: xmush]
#5983878 - 08/21/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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knarkkorven
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: Mead]
#5983922 - 08/21/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok. Black spores, reddish stems. Got that.
But the varying appearance still makes me confused. Like I stated before, http://images.google.com/images?q=panaeolus+subbalteatus is not very helpful. Sure, there is the photo from Erowid, but is it the best describing photo?
Can someone post a link to his/her best Panaeolus subbalteatus photos, please?
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: knarkkorven]
#5983947 - 08/21/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you use the search feature, here at the Shroomery, and type "Pan Subbs" or "Panneaolus subbalteatus", you might find what you are looking for, as for a good description and good pictures.
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xmush
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: knarkkorven]
#5983978 - 08/21/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep, search post at the top of the page. The default will only return you posts from the last year, you can change that if you wish. But i'm pretty sure that Mead posted some pretty excellent subbs pics a month or two ago.
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Mead

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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: knarkkorven]
#5984041 - 08/21/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's my first best worst and all finds. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5709105 and they vary quite a bit, but they're also similar. If you find mush like the ones you have found and look underneath and the gills look black, almost like they've been burned, print them, but I don't find subbs with brown; unless they are small and have just popped up, and even then it's more of a reddish tint like the stems of subbs then the chocolate-dark chocolate brown of foes gills. A little experience and your confidence will grow exponetially, search the shroomery like the others said, and goodluck
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: Mead] 1
#5984172 - 08/21/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MeadMadeMe, you made my day! 
I think I have seen them several times during the past years of mushroom hunting, but thought they were other kinds of Panaeolus, like Panaeolus acuminatus, Panaeolus campanulatus or Panaeolus sphinctrinus.
Next time, I will know better.
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Re: ID: P. foenisecii or P. subbalteatus ? [Re: knarkkorven]
#5984329 - 08/21/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmmm, when I started hunting subbs, I knew the indicators (dark charred looking gills, red tinted stipe, jet black print), however, at the get go, the subbs and foes looked the same! So it was necessary i printed them.
Without conciously perceiving the subtle differences between species, I soon became aware of the red stems especially, and the general colour variations (along with variations in cap shape, indicating different black spored species [genus: Panaeolus]).
I test my assumptions often, just to be sure, and I will often pick a Pan., predict spore colour, then do the print, just to validate my guess.
The red stem(sometimes with tiny fibrils) is the most obvious macroscopic feature in distinguishing foes from subbs, in my experience. Though, I do not often suggest this method of scrutiny to first time finds... It's just one of those things that isn't obvious without practice.
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