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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening....
    #5984012 - 08/21/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sure many of you have heard of that video, of 5 young Israeli's videotaping 9/11 as it happened. They were positioned far away, with a camera set up facing the towers on the side the planes hit. I have seen this video, but can't seem to find it at the moment. They were accused of being Mossed agents, and were detained by the US government.

Anyway, here is a video of these people explaining themselves, and what they say is shocking to say the least.

They claim that since they are from a place where lots of terrorism occurs, they just wanted to document this event. How in the hell did they have this all set up, and ready to document it, unless they had prior knowledge. It is very odd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyUoGUV7b8


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5984515 - 08/21/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Without context, it is difficult to judge... it would be helpful to see the footage they captured. One explanation: they were simply filming when the planes hit, and continued to film as events unfolded for the reason given. If they were Mossed agents sent to film the attack, why only one camera from one vantage point when there were several people in the group? Who knows....


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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Seuss]
    #5984529 - 08/21/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's what I thought, but I remember seeing this video back when this happened. They were all set up as the first plane hit. Now this video seems to have disappeared. I'll keep looking though. You know what the really odd part is, if I remember correctly, the filmers are cheering as the planes hit.

You must agree though "wanting to document this event" because they come from "a place where lots of terrorism occurs* is VERY suspect. How did they know it was a terrorist act, and not just a horrible accident. More importantly, why were they all set up, and cheering. I will look for this video again, anyone else who may know where to get it, please post a link if you can.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5985293 - 08/21/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

why would intelligence agents talk about prior knowledge? wouldnt they be more secret?

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Vvellum]
    #5985358 - 08/21/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I personally don't think they were Mossad, but part of that large group of people that were "warned" of the September 11th attacks. I am not sure if it's true, but apparently hundreds of Jewish people and others did not goto work that day. If that's the case, then maybe these Israeli's knew too, and filmed it. Why they would admit to it, I have no idea. Something seems fishy here, but I fully accept that this is all circumstantial and nothing is proven yet.

FYI, just a fun fact, the Mossad motto is "through deceit, we will wage war".


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5985844 - 08/22/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Flipping your statements, you answer your own question:

> How did they know it was a terrorist act

> because they come from "a place where lots of terrorism occurs"

Again, we are making lots of assumptions about what they knew and when. Sitting in traffic on my way to work when the news of the first plane came on the radio, I was certain it was a terrorist attack... commercial aircraft to not mistakenly hit buildings, it just doesn't happen, the attack on the USS Cole was fresh in my mind, etc.

I have a college friend that moved to Israel about ten years ago. One of the hardest things for him to get used to was the need for constant vigilance against terrorist attacks. For example, he never leaves the windows in his car down when he parks because it is too easy for somebody to toss a motion sensitive bomb in through the window. With this in mind, it doesn't surprise me that the guys filming assumed it was a terrorist attack.

> the Mossad motto is "through deceit, we will wage war"

The Jewish folks may be flippant towards Gentiles in this respect, but they certainly would not allow other Jews to perish simply to wage war through deceit. Had all the Jews that worked in the WTC phoned in sick that morning, then I would start to believe that the Mossad was aware/involved.

> Something seems fishy here

Probably because we are looking for something, more than because there is something... but as I said before, who knows...


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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Seuss]
    #5986182 - 08/22/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps the easy answer is that the translation was not accurate on that video. :lol:

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Seuss]
    #5986194 - 08/22/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't hundreds of Jews simply not show up for work that day? Apparently there was a single Jewish death on 9/11, which I find very hard to believe, given this took place in NYC. I will see what info there is out there on this.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5986199 - 08/22/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I firmly believe that powers that be had prior knowledge of the attacks...but the whole "Jews didn't show up for work on 9/11" is just a Myth.


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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Rono]
    #5986218 - 08/22/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OK, thank you for clearing it up, it was a rumour I had heard, and I wasn't sure if it was true or not.

I found this from a random search on a website, not a reputable source by any means, just putting it out there.

"Of the 130 Israelis President Bush claimed had died in the World Trade Center, it turned out that 129 of them were still alive. Only one Israeli had actually died in the catastrophe of the World Trade Center."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/11/WTC_DeathRoll2.html


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5986219 - 08/22/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Also, an article from the washington post.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Rono]
    #5986226 - 08/22/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, when you have 50,000 people working in the towers on any given day, with 200,000 more visitors, I don't think it is too out of the ordinary for hundreds of people within a specific demographic to have called in sick. Considering the fact that a lot of workers would have been involved with financial firms and such, it would be no suprise that there would be a considerable amount of Jewish individuals working within the towers, eh? :smirk:

As for their being only a single Jewish death, I have no clue, but considering what I just stated, that would be odd. Seems unlikely.

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5986297 - 08/22/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Given estimates of demographics in the area, of the 3,000 deaths, 500-600 should have been Jewish. If someone can find the actual number, I would appreciate it.

If there was 1 Jewish death, I would think Mossad definitely had a hand in this. Think about it, they stage an attack by ARABS, get the most powerful nation in the world pissed at Israeli ENEMIES! This does not seem as far fetched as I once thought.

Keep in mind, the owner of the WTC was Jewish(Mr. Larry Silverstein), and took out a record insurance policy a couple months before the attacks. Something doesn't add up.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5986302 - 08/22/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million."

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html

And I always ask "what the fuck made WT7 fall?"

I think I have a good idea.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5986318 - 08/22/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Off topic, but:

> So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million.

You forgot to subtract the cost of rebuilding from his $500 million "profit". Assuming his rebuilding costs match the original building costs, he will end up about losing more than $400 million.

> Given estimates of demographics in the area, of the 3,000 deaths, 500-600 should have been Jewish.

From: http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html:
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A total of 2,071 occupants of the World Trade Center died on September 11, among the 2,749 victims of the WTC attacks. According to an article in the October 11, 2001, Wall Street Journal, roughly 1,700 people had listed the religion of a person missing in the WTC attacks; approximately 10% were Jewish. A later article, in the September 5, 2002, Jewish Week, states, "based on the list of names, biographical information compiled by The New York Times, and information from records at the Medical Examiner's Office, there were at least 400 victims either confirmed or strongly believed to be Jewish." This would be approximately 15% of the total victims of the WTC attacks. A partial list of 390 Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died (out of 658 in the company) lists 49 Jewish memorial services, which is between 12% and 13%.




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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Seuss]
    #5986326 - 08/22/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

+ I bet a large number of people did not have their religion listed on any official documents available to the Medical Examiner's Office or the New York Times. I was raised Catholic and if I died, I dont think that information would be available without interviewing my family, which is something that probably did not happen in this case.

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Vvellum]
    #5986334 - 08/22/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I believe when they say Jewish they mean Israeli.


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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Seuss]
    #5986524 - 08/22/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wrong, 3?? mil to build, 861 mil payout = 500 mil profit, no matter how you slice it. It's like they sold it, they no longer have the building, just 500 mil extra. Check out the insurance policy on the twin towers if you get a chance!

Thank you for pointing out the number of Jewish deaths, but with all due respect, I hesitate to listen to the NY times on such a matter. They are heavily biased in this particular subject. I don't think we will ever get to the bottom of this, a list of the names of the dead could help though.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

Edited by alpharedecho (08/22/06 12:03 PM)

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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5986719 - 08/22/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> Wrong, 3?? mil to build

Try around one billion (plus) to rebuild... I donno where you are coming up with 3xx million to build. Constuction isn't cheap... and the one billion figure is for the towers only, not building seven or any other repairs.

While we are going off topic, I wanted to point out an actual quote:

Larry Silverstein:
Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."




Why do people assume "pull it" refers to the building rather than the firefighters that were fighting the fire in the building? Pull it, not as in pull the building down, but pull it, as in pull the firefighters out of the building so that we don't risk any more lives. Context really adds quite a lot, unless you are a member of the TFH brigade.



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Re: Israeli Knowledge of 9/11 prior to it happening.... [Re: Seuss]
    #5986742 - 08/22/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was talking about WTC7 only. It cost 330+- to build WTC7, and he was given 861 mil in a payment for WTC7. That is 500 mil for WTC7 ALONE.

He made even more off the twin towers, but I didn't have time to look it up.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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