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NamelessRevolt
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Democracy: A failure
#5979401 - 08/19/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some people are obviously better at certain tasks. Running, solving +ath problems, identifying mushrooms. But what about LEADERSHIP?
Our current munchkins were elected democratically with a choice of Munchkin A (Kerry) and Munchkin B (Bush). Munchkin B won. Munchkin A was the same thing except his party's name was different. They were elected in by the moronic masses.
As was the war on drugs. Perhaps not voted in directly, the common people tolerate it and whatnot. Hell -- there are more restrictions on drugs in our modern democracy than there were in the past kingdoms ad fascist states! I think most people are inept.
The solution: Put the best in charge of a country, be it by aristocracy, dictatorship, or monarchy, and make sure your idiot citizens don't get their moronic opinion put in. It is the only sensible alternative to letting one group decide law for another.
(If you don't live in the US, think about how inept your leaders are instead).
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Hank, FTW
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Democracy is not a failure, the people are just grossly misinformed about the real world. If everyone in America would turn off their TV and look to the net for their news, where both sides of a story can be told, we would see change.
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the best possible government would be a benevolent and wise autocrat.
unfortunately autocrats don't tend to be that way. democracy can be a good thing in moderation, just remember that it is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
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NamelessRevolt
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979524 - 08/19/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Democracy is not a failure, the people are just grossly misinformed about the real world. If everyone in America would turn off their TV and look to the net for their news, where both sides of a story can be told, we would see change.
Don't you get it, though? It truly isn't hard to realize tht the mainstream media ecoes lies and that TV is full of junk.
Even telling someone the truth doesn't guarentee that they will accept it. I've been preaching dissidence for a while now, but everyone is secure with their bread and circuses.
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Hank, FTW
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It isn't hard to realize everything you think to be true is indeed false??
This is an extremely hard thing for average people to accept, even with overwhelming proof that the gov't/media is lying on some things, they still refuse it as lunatic rantings.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979621 - 08/19/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"average people"
But shouldn't we be concerned with the best among us?
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Hank, FTW
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I'm not sure what you mean. Are you refering to our leaders?
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Annapurna1
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the US-style single-member-district-plurality system was always doomed to fail as a democracy..since it must inevitably degrade into a two-party system very soon (duvergers' law).. and then into a single-party-dominant or an actual single-party system later on...you might still get to vote in an election under the final degenerate phase..but the voters have no power to effect a change of policy..as such it cannot be called a democracy...OTOH..parliamentary systems..which are based on proportional representation..dont have this problem...
in that sense...there is a kernel of truth in king georges' claim that his power as fascist dictator derives from the US constitution...since the US constitution mandated an electoral system that had to produce a dictatorship at some point...
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Annapurna1]
#5979711 - 08/19/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If the USA's leaders were NOT immune to law, and HAD to follow the constitution to the letter, I think your system would be great. The constitution has an amendment that states if the government is not looking out for the best interest of the people, they can take up arms and overthrow it. Is this correct? If so, it would be a nice dream to exercise this amendment.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979747 - 08/19/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it doesnt specifically say "take up arms and overthrow [the govt]"..but that is nevertheless why the 2nd amendment exists...however..most americans (me not included) seem to view fascism in this country as evolutionary as per my earlier post and not revolutionary...
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Hank, FTW
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Annapurna1]
#5979843 - 08/19/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ohh I see, even still, the government has control of weapons so powerful, that a revolution would be impossible.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5980026 - 08/19/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What needs to happen is that people must be democratically involved in policy, not involved in choosing who picks policy, because these people will always be swayed with either threat, black mail, or money from those they can benefit, the large corporations. What is needed is a database, a forum, an online government, where polls can take place, official, calling all citizens votes on policy, topics for discussion, not far off from what we can do here at the shroomery should run the government. An electronic government, a vote on every policy. This will keep the people who don't care seperated from the people who know a lot and have a concern for there country and its law. This will be the only way to have an official "government of the people" It will be the largest forum and most important forum on the internet, and it will have to be a very secure working system in order for it to manage itself without viruses and hackers taking power of the government.
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Edited by beatnicknick (08/19/06 09:58 PM)
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Hank, FTW
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Good idea in theory, but you can not run a government from the internet. Too impersonal, and too vulnerable(hackers, etc.) I do agree that the people should make the policy, not elect a few to make the policy.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5981069 - 08/20/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had a thought that democracy would work best if a small percentage of the seats in congress were held by anarchists. You know, just to keep pushing the boundries of political thought. May as well give a few seats to monarchs, autocrats, aristocrats, and war-mongering tyrants. I mean some of the democrat/republicans assuridly fit one of those positions or another, but we may as well not pussyfoot around things so much. Just keep it out in the open, that way we know where everyone's comming from and the idealogical clashes would at least seem superficially less misleading.
By the way, I am an extremely ignorant human being, and hope time on here could help to assuage some of my more impotent qualities. So I hope that you all dig your hooks in whole heartedly, and I'll try to cultivate a constructive state of intellectual masochism about myself here.
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Electronic voting is the devil. Therein rests the failure of democracy.
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NamelessRevolt
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If the people aren't intelligent enough to vote a half decent leader in at least most of the time, they're certainly not capable of making reasonable decisions. Hell, the best president the US has had was Thomas Jefferson, and that was HUNDREDS of years ago. Since then we've had pointless wars (Civil War, both World Wars, Vietnam, the Korean War, the War For Israel, etc) for the sole purpose of making a few people some big bucks.
Democracy is moronic, anyways, because it ends up having groups of people forced to live by the laws of others. Drug use, for instance... Group X wants it banned, Group Y doesn't. There is more of Group X. Guess who is screwed over?
Why do we need to count the votes of morons, anyways?
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Re: Democracy: A failure [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5981125 - 08/20/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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How would that work? Everybody gets together to form policy, without disagreement, screwing others over, and impervious to spin from the media and other people looking for the big bucks?
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If I cannot discipline myself and transcend the currents limitations of my "ego", then do not feel my political input would be at all productive. I took calculus in high school, but still feel like a moron. What constitutes a moron? Now, it occurs to me that the majority of people holding political power also cannot discipline themselves, and perhaps they too take themselves too seriously, so it seems like I should be making a stand because, I may be slightly better, and tweedle-dum is certainly much cuter than tweedle-dee. Not to mention my voice "needs to be heard!" When was the last time a reasonably powerful militaristic/economic nation was ruled by a spiritual guru? Why do you think the Bible tells you to "Listen to the Emporer"? I've read mystical teachings that say to stay away from the ways of the world. Let it be. I am not necessarily advocating complacency, I am just raising questions that I have no answer to and remain clueless as to which course of action I should take. I only know that that course must differ from the current. One more thing about the aforementioned Bible quote: as Americans do we listen to the president/congress or do we interpret the constitution with the full capacity or our hearts?
Edited by ChubbyRain (08/20/06 11:30 AM)
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NamelessRevolt said: How would that work? Everybody gets together to form policy, without disagreement, screwing others over, and impervious to spin from the media and other people looking for the big bucks?
federalism. how it was prior to lincolns rape of the nation. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Afederalism&btnG=Google+Search
It worked well before lincoln, and works today in sweden. but unfortunately, to go back to this system would mean that bush n pals would have to give up just about all their power -- which won't happen under this administration, nor any others.
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Hank, FTW
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Some sort of efficient polling system.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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