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#5978868 - 08/19/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5978921 - 08/19/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok so Hezbollah can violate the UN treaty by importing more guns but Israel can't stop them from importing the guns?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5978935 - 08/19/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm just stating what I read, I made no opinion one way or the other.
My personal opionion.....If my country was located next to a country with tons of weapons, and had just invaded my country, I would want to arm myself.
Also, the Israeli claim that it was a convoy with weapons has yet to be proven, as far as I know. Why should I take Israels word on this, their reporting will CLEARLY be biased.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5978950 - 08/19/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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YOU DON'T LISTEN DO YOU???
"Israeli foreign ministry spokesman told the BBC that it was enforcing the terms agreed under UN resolution 1701."
It is Israel claiming they targeted a weapons convoy, it is the world claiming Israel attacked Hezbollah "militants". GET IT?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5978958 - 08/19/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So since Hezbollah is not allowed to re-arm, I guess Israel will be flushing all their weapons down the toilet, right. 
By the way, this statement is not me recognizing Israels claim that it was a weapons convoy they targeted. Though it very well could have been, I just want a proof of it, and not coming from Israel.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5978975 - 08/19/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So since Hezbollah is not allowed to re-arm...
Haven't bothered to read the terms of the ceasefire yet, I see. Not only is Hezbollah not allowed to re-arm, they are required to disarm.
But of course, no rational person ever expected Hezbollah to abide by the terms of the ceasefire in the first place, so the point is moot.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5978983 - 08/19/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: YOU DON'T LISTEN DO YOU???
"Israeli foreign ministry spokesman told the BBC that it was enforcing the terms agreed under UN resolution 1701."
It is Israel claiming they targeted a weapons convoy, it is the world claiming Israel attacked Hezbollah "militants". GET IT?
So basicaly you are against the UN and the resolution?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5979005 - 08/19/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So basically you don't know how to read. I am stating that until I have proof that the people they attacked were infact transporting weapons, Israel violated the cease fire.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Phred]
#5979009 - 08/19/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, I haven't but it sounds to me like Israel should just point nukes at all its enemies and say "agree to these terms, or be destroyed".
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979022 - 08/19/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: So basically you don't know how to read. I am stating that until I have proof that the people they attacked were infact transporting weapons, Israel violated the cease fire.
We know they were Hezbollah and they want Jews dead and you support them. We know Iran and Syria also want the same and they supply them with weapons. So basically you need to move to Iran or Syria.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5979031 - 08/19/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: So basically you don't know how to read. I am stating that until I have proof that the people they attacked were infact transporting weapons, Israel violated the cease fire.
We know they were Hezbollah and they want Jews dead and you support them. We know Iran and Syria also want the same and they supply them with weapons. So basically you need to move to Iran or Syria.
Your on crack buddy, I do not support them any more then I support Israel, I just don't inherently believe that Israel = good, and Muslims = bad, like you.
Once again, PROVE TO ME THERE WERE WEAPONS IN THE VEHICLES AND I WILL GLADLY SUPPORT THE ISRAELI ATTACK!
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979035 - 08/19/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not a matter of proving but a matter of logic and common sense.
And you do support Hezbollah. When did I say all muslims are bad? I am just pointing out that currently there is a war between civilizations and you need to realize it.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5979089 - 08/19/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unless you can show any post where he said he supports Hezbollah, you should probably shut up with that nonsense.
You sound like a neocon stating that because someone criticizes the government, they are unpatriotic and are supporting the terrorists.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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If you say I support hezbollah 1 more time, I am going to report your post to a mod.
So your opinion is common sense eh, so no need to prove it. HAHA its not like you are arguing the sky is blue, you are arguing that a vehicle convoy was full of weapons. THAT is common knowledge????? Then it should be VERY EASY to prove.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979169 - 08/19/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know you support Hezbollah and you support Duck who supports them. And I am not gonna go looking for a fucking post when alp knows he said that shit.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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If you don't feel like posting something with substance and continue to address Aplha instead of the topic at hand, I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting. If you want to keep this shit up, you know where OTD is.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5979221 - 08/19/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just because I don't believe Israel is in the right 100% of the time, does not mean I support Hezbollah. I think Hezbollah is as much a terrorist organization, as I do the IDF. Stating that does not mean I "support" Hezbollah, and the very notion of me going to fight with them is laughable. I have no businees over there, and neither do my countrymen, but its not Hezbollah that has my countrymen over there fighing, is it? No, its the Taliban, USA and Israel that have caused 70+ of my countrymen to die in a war that has NOTHING to do with us.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979240 - 08/19/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So canadians are in Israel?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5979270 - 08/19/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Just because I don't believe Israel is in the right 100% of the time, does not mean I support Hezbollah. I think Hezbollah is as much a terrorist organization, as I do the IDF. Stating that does not mean I "support" Hezbollah, and the very notion of me going to fight with them is laughable. I have no business over there, and neither do my countrymen, but its not Hezbollah that has my countrymen over there fighting, is it? No, its the Taliban, USA and Israel that have caused 70+ of my countrymen to die in a war that has NOTHING to do with us.
That should give you an indication to which country I was referring to, but you probably will still spout off some rhetoric if i don't come outright and say Afghanistan.
It is my belief that every time my country and your country go to fight in the middle east, it is not for our interests. It is either due to oil(Canada has enough oil for ITSELF), or protecting Israel. That is my opinion, so no need to argue it in some pathetic attempt, it won't change.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Actually it is more about West vs. Islam. Islam used to be on top of the west but now the tables are turned. I donno about you but I want to be on top and I want Islam to be in the shitter.
And there are Canadians fighting for the IDF. Jews just have strong roots with America, Canada, and Australia. So these countries will always support Israel and make sure Islamic countries know their place in the food chain.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5979424 - 08/19/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's where we disagree. I want the west to be on top, but I certainly don't want Islam in the shitter. Disparety between cultures is a breeding ground for terrorist. If all of the islam worl was living like us, there would be a lot less fenatics.
Of course our way of life doesn't mesh with theirs(womens rights, etc.) but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That is probably why I dislike Israel so much, if they weren't causing so much havoc(with our weapons/money) we would have a lot less problems with the Islamic world. 9/11 is a direct result of our support of Zionism, that is fact, despite what the TV may have told you. With that said, I realize Israel has to "be tough" but they are dragging us down with them.
They are not our concern, and our lives should not be lost, to save theirs. This does not mean I support Hezbollah!
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5980360 - 08/19/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Disparety between cultures is a breeding ground for terrorist. Of course our way of life doesn't mesh with theirs(womens rights, etc.) but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That is probably why I dislike Israel so much, if they weren't causing so much havoc(with our weapons/money) we would have a lot less problems with the Islamic world. 9/11 is a direct result of our support of Zionism, that is fact, despite what the TV may have told you. With that said, I realize Israel has to "be tough" but they are dragging us down with them.
I agree with all of that.
BTW Hezbollah is GIVING away roughly $15000 per family. That is more than a years avg salary. The money is supposedly coming from a 500M Iranian grant to Hezbollah.
I also realize that Hezbollah was behind the 84'(i think) military barracks bombing, and i that is total BULLSHIT.
But how much terrorism took part against the British circa 1750-76. Anyone care to argue against US independence?
Is simple fact is that nothing is black & white. war sucks The losers are always the lower class and the winners are always defense contractors.
You cannot defend every action of the IDF or Hezbollah. Both are doing what they think (know) is right. If you lived with Hezbollah as your health & humans service provider, and your neighbors to the south, who are immeasureably stronger than you, start dropping bombs on your neighborhood, lets see you sever ties with your govt/provider.
BTW about the bold part of the quote. Direct link is a little much, but i would say that Osama would not have had such a problem with us being in Saudi Arabia. <-- Perhaps the straw that broke the camels back.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: That's where we disagree. I want the west to be on top, but I certainly don't want Islam in the shitter. Disparety between cultures is a breeding ground for terrorist. If all of the islam worl was living like us, there would be a lot less fenatics.
Of course our way of life doesn't mesh with theirs(womens rights, etc.) but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That is probably why I dislike Israel so much, if they weren't causing so much havoc(with our weapons/money) we would have a lot less problems with the Islamic world. 9/11 is a direct result of our support of Zionism, that is fact, despite what the TV may have told you. With that said, I realize Israel has to "be tough" but they are dragging us down with them.
They are not our concern, and our lives should not be lost, to save theirs. This does not mean I support Hezbollah!
Bin Laden got pissed at US after we stationed troops in Saudi Arabia........ You do know that Bin Laden was our ally even after we supported Israel during all the wars?
Israel is just one tiny problem which you think can be fix the whole situation. You are just like the leaders of Rome, Chinese Empires, and the French king who gave vikings gold to stop attacking Europe, give land to stop attacking, etc etc. Well, if you know your history then you know what happens to people that appease their enemies.
I guarentee that even if we let Israelis get butchered the Muslims will still come after us because they didn't give a fuck about us during all the Israeli wars but then they freaked out when we had our troops in Saudi Arabia. Well, it was mostly Osama Cum Faggot who got pissed and then rallied the Muslims who all see him as a hero.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said: We know they were Hezbollah and they want Jews dead and you support them. We know Iran and Syria also want the same and they supply them with weapons. So basically you need to move to Iran or Syria.
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downforpot said: It's not a matter of proving but a matter of logic and common sense.
If it is a matter of logic and common sense, it would be refreshing to actually see some common sense in logic in the first quotation of yours. 
Alpharedecho raised a valid point for discussion. Israel attacked a Hizbullah outpost in Lebanon, claiming that Hizbullah broke the cease-fire by re-arming itself. Well, alpharedecho's entire point is that, unless the claim is substantiated, Israel is the one who broke the cease-fire.
You seem incapable of addressing that point. You assert that alpharedecho is agansit the UN resolution, etc. etc. etc., but yet it is the secretary general of the UN who is concerned that Israel violated the cease fire.
I wonder why he would be concerned... perhaps because Israel has "intelligence" that Hizbullah was gathering more arms, but that they have not provided that intelligence to the UN. Perhaps because they simply acted with hostilities without any sort of consensus on the matter? Probably because they are resorting to the same "eye for an eye" bullshit that has perpetrated the violence in the Middle East for decades?
You have no grounds to assume who it was that violated the cease-fire first, as you have no substantiation that Hizbullah was rearming, beyond that of Israel's claim. We do know that Israel engaged in hostilities. Unless you weren't aware, Israel is a biased participant in the situation. The entire point of a resolution is for a consenus beyond that of those involved in the situation to begin to address the situation in manners beyond that of "he grabbed more guns, so I bomb him". 
So, once again, if it is a matter of logic, and common sense, then when will you begin exhibiting it? The ceasefire was formed by an international consensus because the patterns of behavior that both sides were engaging in were not effectively resolving the situation. They are already immersing themselves in the destructive behavior once again.
No doubt, this is why the UN is concerned that the cease fire is being violated. The fact that you are unable to address this topic that has been proposed for discussion without baseless assertions that alpharedecho is supporting Hizbullah, or that he should be residing in Iran or Syria, or that he is agansit the UN resolution, or that there is a "war of civilizations" going on demonstrates that you have no valid points to present for discussion.
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The UN itself is bullshit and the ceasefire is complete bullshit because UN will never disarm Hezbollah and Iran and Syria will gain more power in that region.
I also don't believe anything UN says considering the fact that Koffi Faggot got all pissy when Israel destroyed a UN post but then kept his mouth shut after the email from one of the UN observers surfaced.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said: The UN itself is bullshit and the ceasefire is complete bullshit because UN will never disarm Hezbollah and Iran and Syria will gain more power in that region.
It is interesting that you would state this opinion, but yet, at the same time, make the following statement to someone else, in the context in which you did. Some amount of consistency should be strived for. 
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downforpot said: Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?

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I also don't believe anything UN says considering the fact that Koffi Faggot got all pissy when Israel destroyed a UN post but then kept his mouth shut after the email from one of the UN observers surfaced.
Regardless of the fact that you refuse to believe anything the UN says for whatever reason you feel appropriate, the fact remains that the notion that Hizbullah was rearming has not been confirmed. It is is greatly possible that they were, but I must note that it is interesting that you would simply accept what Israel claims as absolute truth.
The entire reason the ceasefire was enacted was due to the fact that Israel's response to the situation was not resolving anything. The behavior with which they continue to react with is not effectively solving anything. Even if Hizbullah did violate the ceasfire agreement, Israel's reaction is not appropriate.
After all, Hizbullah is a terrorist organization, and it is to be expected that they are going to continue arming themselves, as the entire point of their organization is to be armed. Israel, however, is an established, sovereign nation, that needs to form a consensus with other soveriegn nations on exactly how to address situations that involve other countries.
Obviously, taking the initiative to bomb the hell out of another country is not going to solve the root problem, and I think the result of this recent waging of war demonstrates this. If you wish to disarm a terrorist organization, you remove their support, not contribute to it. 
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They didn't even bomb the shit out of Lebanon... They could have killed a thousand civilians a day if they wanted to but they showed restraint.
And yes now Hezbollah has more support since Israel stopped bombing Lebanon. Not to mention 15k given to every family by Hezbollah, all funded by Iran.
And everyone pretty much knows Hezbollah is still being supplied by Syria and Iran. Anyone who thinks that they will follow the resolution is gullible.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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Thank you fire, but this guy still has not refused to address my point.
Prove their were weapons in that vehicle.
Anyway, I am so sick of the argument that Israel could have killed everyone in the country, and because they didn't, they showed restraint. Tell that to the 1100 dead.
You say hezbollah has more support since Israel stopped bombing Lebanon?? No, their support grew with the very first air strikes and artillery fire on civilian targets.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Prove their were weapons in that vehicle.
If it could be proven to your satisfaction there were weapons in the vehicle, would you say Israel had broken the ceasefire agreement?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Phred]
#5981066 - 08/20/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Because that was part of the deal, and while I don't agree with the terms of it, it should still be followed. Maybe next time there is a UN resolution against Israel, they will abide by it. Probably not though.
I do think Hezbollah has a right to arm themselves, their country keeps getting flattened, but that is just my opinion. They should follow the terms of the cease fire for now, For the sole reason of preventing further slaughter of their people.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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So you're saying a group of terrorists has the right to arm themselves?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5981742 - 08/20/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They have a right to defend their country from demolition. Why are they the terrorists when it is Israel who has destroyed a country, left a million homeless and MURDERED 1100 civilians? Oh I know, it's because Israel used conventional armies and bombs, and Hezbollah has to fire shitty rockets from their cities.
They should make a deal, if Hezbollah has to disarm, Israel should too.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5981763 - 08/20/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not happy with Israel either for what has happened. But Hezbollah is not a recognized entity of Lebanese solidarity, the Lebanese government and military is. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization committed to disrupting security for Israelis.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5981859 - 08/20/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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True enough, but I thought Hezbollah was recognized by Lebanon. I think Hezbollah is committed to protecting the southern regions from Israeli occupation. I believe that is why they were formed.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5981876 - 08/20/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They were formed in the 80's to expel full out Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon. That occupation ended in 2000.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5981895 - 08/20/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are no IDF in any part of Lebanon? I'm talking before this latest invasion.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5981901 - 08/20/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah.. you mean the invasion that was a response to an unprovoked attack by Hezbollah?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5982262 - 08/20/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't sidestep my question, was there, or was there not any IDF on Lebanese soil 2000-2006? If so, it was not unprovoked.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982309 - 08/20/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Random firing of rockets into densely populated civilian areais a legitimate response?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982369 - 08/20/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They actually raided that Israeli patrol, sparking the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon. Then the rockets started firing, or so I think. I could be wrong, as I am just going by what I heard in the news.
I will ask one last time, was there, or was there not any IDF on Lebanese soil 2000-2006?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982371 - 08/20/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm sure there were. That does not make their targetting of Israeli civilians any more legitimate, though.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982469 - 08/20/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, it doesn't, but you fight the only way you can, with the only weapons you have. Give them tanks, planes, artillery, etc etc etc like Israel gets from the USA and I'm sure Hezbollah would be more than happy to engage the IDF.
The IDF should stay on their own soil if they don't want to be attacked.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982483 - 08/20/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Don't sidestep my question, was there, or was there not any IDF on Lebanese soil 2000-2006? If so, it was not unprovoked.
Not to my knowledge. And even if there was, that doesn't justify indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli population centers.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5982499 - 08/20/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No it doesn't, but what else can they do, sit there while Israel violates their sovereignty and then flattens their country?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Hezbollah doesn't represent Lebanon. Lebanon isn't Hezbollah's "turf" nor are Lebanese civilians "Hezbollah civilians". Hezbollah is a group of stateless actors. Israel also fails to see this, which is why collective judgement was placed on Lebanon during this summer's conflict. If Hezbollah has an iola of compassion for the Lebanese, they will cease and desist all hostilities against Israel.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5982525 - 08/20/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you think the Lebanese army should have engaged the IDF who were on their land? Please, if that had happened, I would hate to think what Lebanon would look like now.
I don't support Hezbollah what so ever, but I understand what they are doing, and their purpose.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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No one should be attacking Israel period. You "understand where Hezbollah is coming from"? What does that mean? Hezbollah is a group of bandits, funded by bandits in power (Syria and Iran). They fire rockets into civilian cities and towns and stage cross border attacks. Its leader Hassan Nasrallah is an admitted Jew-hater who rants more about "Zionism" than Lebanese solidarity. There is no redeeming value in Hezbollah. They're just a bunch of bandits, plain and simple.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982552 - 08/20/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Random firing of rockets into densely populated civilian areais a legitimate response?
If firing rockings indiscrimately into Israel makes Hezbollah a terrorist organization, then bombing an entire country as collective punishment makes Israeli Defense Forces and their directors in government a terrorist organization.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Vvellum]
#5982557 - 08/20/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did I say otherwise?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982560 - 08/20/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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no. just pointing that out
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Vvellum]
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I guess that's why I say I understand Hezbollah, SO MANY people seem to understand Israel. I see them both as terrorist groups also.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5982687 - 08/20/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?
The UN is stupid and ignorant to think that they have a say in anything...
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: GabbaDj]
#5984163 - 08/21/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?
The UN is stupid and ignorant to think that they have a say in anything...
Yep. They basically did the same shit again. Give it a few more years and Israel will try to kick out Hezbollah again.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5984203 - 08/21/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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A few years? I give it a few weeks.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?
The UN is stupid and ignorant to think that they have a say in anything...
Yep. They basically did the same shit again. Give it a few more years and Israel will try to kick out Hezbollah again.
Yep. Hence why this whole war has been a tragic failure.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
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Um... I'm not sure what the argument is about. "We" (the UK[including Israel] & US) want the oil and deserve it. "They" (scary people over there who are really just crazy f*ckers) have it and don't deserve anything except death at our pure white hands.
So, what's the problem? We see. We kill. We have. They die, but we don't care. Then Jesus/Mohamed (wait, I'm getting all turned around!) comes and tells us we did good.
So again... what's the problem?? Fight! Take! Die! It's expected of us, unless we actually think about it, which is TOTALY STUPID AND NOT ALLOWED!!!
I mean, please! Our oil companies are barely making historic profits, and are very worried how they will keep their winning streak going when the terrorists keep blowing up the pipelines. The rest of our economy is sinking fast, but that's only because the price of oil is too low. WE NEED TO KILL ARABS AND PERSIANS. It's that simple. They don't get how insecure we feel with them having more oil than us. Plus they are towel-heads.
Jeeze! It's so simple. Doesn't anybody get it?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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Rofl, at first I thought you were serious. Unfortunately with the media, we will never get unbiased information. It is almost overwhelming when you really think about it. Who is pulling the strings behind the huge conglomerate corp. who own these news stations? Is there really a zionist movement that is controlling large parts of the world? Is there a possibility that powerful people of jewish descent control some of our countries policies? Unfortunately it seems as if the real truth will be extremely hard to find. Anything that is said about anybody affiliated with anything jewish, if it is even remotely negative, is labeled anti-semitic. There is no doubt there is a large entity that is ready to spring and discredit anyone who speaks out against anything related to israeli wrongdoings and jewish wrongdoings. I myself recognize I must do much more research. It is extremely time consuming and hard to find unbiased info. It's funny, when I come across info, if it is pointing out jewish and israeli wrongdoings, the author is blasted as being a fanatical jew hater. When I try to find explanations for that, I encounter writings by jews stating that people are just jealous of jews successes. Ultimately I aim to find the truth, and would like to see who is in the wrong. I am aware that it is not always as cut and dry as people would like it to be. But I do feel our media, and the "experts" they have commenting on it, have tried to oversimplify the problem, and in some cases try to blame the wrong people.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Senovio]
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Read "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillips
Look up "American Israel Public Affairs Committee" in wikipedia.
Then consider this fact: The Federal Reserve, which prints all US currency and sets interest rates, is not and has never been a US Government institution. It has always been, since it's creation in 1913, a privately held corporation of principly Jewish banking families. They own US. So why do you think we support Israel? It is a simple case of denial not to see it. We don't want to believe we are owned by these Jewish families, but we are.
ROTHSCHILD banks of London and Berlin LAZARD BROTHERS Banks of Paris ISRAEL MOSES SEIF Banks of Italy WARBURG Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam LEHMAN BROTHERS Bank of New York GOLDMAN, Sachs Banks of New York KUHN, Loeb Bank of New York CHASE MANHATTAN Bank of New York
Read about the histories of these families, going back about 300+ years, and you will see it doesn't take any secret plot. It's all right out in the open. They were the founders of our Federal Reserve, and their descendants manage most of the money in the western world. And significant numbers of them believe Israel was promised to the Jews by God. The rest you can feel certain believe that all the oil in Iraq and Iran is worth a lot more than a few thousand American lives.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Senovio]
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Senovio said: Rofl, at first I thought you were serious. Unfortunately with the media, we will never get unbiased information. It is almost overwhelming when you really think about it. Who is pulling the strings behind the huge conglomerate corp. who own these news stations? Is there really a Zionist movement that is controlling large parts of the world? Is there a possibility that powerful people of Jewish descent control some of our countries policies? Unfortunately it seems as if the real truth will be extremely hard to find. Anything that is said about anybody affiliated with anything Jewish, if it is even remotely negative, is labeled anti-semitic. There is no doubt there is a large entity that is ready to spring and discredit anyone who speaks out against anything related to Israeli wrongdoings and Jewish wrongdoings. I myself recognize I must do much more research. It is extremely time consuming and hard to find unbiased info. It's funny, when I come across info, if it is pointing out Jewish and Israeli wrongdoings, the author is blasted as being a fanatical jew hater. When I try to find explanations for that, I encounter writings by Jews stating that people are just jealous of Jews successes. Ultimately I aim to find the truth, and would like to see who is in the wrong. I am aware that it is not always as cut and dry as people would like it to be. But I do feel our media, and the "experts" they have commenting on it, have tried to oversimplify the problem, and in some cases try to blame the wrong people.

Anti-Semites are not people who hate Jews, they are people Jews hate. Remember that.
Look at Mel Gibson, look at all this controversy, boycotts etc. It's insane.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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Damn, I didn't know that shit, I mainly focus on their ownership of the Media, and the fact people are in denial about it. That's some crazy shit man.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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rikjoh said: Read "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillips
Look up "American Israel Public Affairs Committee" in wikipedia.
Then consider this fact: The Federal Reserve, which prints all US currency and sets interest rates, is not and has never been a US Government institution. It has always been, since it's creation in 1913, a privately held corporation of principly Jewish banking families. They own US. So why do you think we support Israel? It is a simple case of denial not to see it. We don't want to believe we are owned by these Jewish families, but we are.
ROTHSCHILD banks of London and Berlin LAZARD BROTHERS Banks of Paris ISRAEL MOSES SEIF Banks of Italy WARBURG Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam LEHMAN BROTHERS Bank of New York GOLDMAN, Sachs Banks of New York KUHN, Loeb Bank of New York CHASE MANHATTAN Bank of New York
Read about the histories of these families, going back about 300+ years, and you will see it doesn't take any secret plot. It's all right out in the open. They were the founders of our Federal Reserve, and their descendants manage most of the money in the western world. And significant numbers of them believe Israel was promised to the Jews by God. The rest you can feel certain believe that all the oil in Iraq and Iran is worth a lot more than a few thousand American lives.
Yep. Jews and Arabs have always been good with money. Muslim merchant were probably the most successful merchants in the history of earth.
The Nazis used the fact that Jews own a lot of banks as one way to attack the Jews. Too bad that resulted in a shitty economy when they did that. Well, the German economy was shit anyway since the end of WWI.
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Anti-Semites are not people who hate Jews, they are people Jews hate. Remember that.
Look at Mel Gibson, look at all this controversy, boycotts etc. It's insane.
Yea, the Nazis were not anti semetic? And Mel Gibson is a Nazi and so is his old geezer dad.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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The Nazis? What do they have to do with our world today. Don't you find it odd that we are bombarded with references to the Nazi's. How about Stalin, he was responsible for millions and millions and millions of deaths, but nobody talks about that.
When I say anti-Semite, I mean it in the modern context, which is: anyone who questions the motives, actions, etc of a Jewish person, is *BRANDED* an anti-Semite. A label which is impossible to shake.
It's a catch phrase designed to invoke irrational emotion in people, just like "Nazi". Is this only clear to me? Or does anyone else notice this?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: The Nazis? What do they have to do with our world today. Don't you find it odd that we are bombarded with references to the Nazi's. How about Stalin, he was responsible for millions and millions and millions of deaths, but nobody talks about that.
When I say anti-Semite, I mean it in the modern context, which is: anyone who questions the motives, actions, etc of a Jewish person, is *BRANDED* an anti-Semite. A label which is impossible to shake.
It's a catch phrase designed to invoke irrational emotion in people, just like "Nazi". Is this only clear to me? Or does anyone else notice this?
There's no nazis today? Where have you been?
Ok, Stalin killed 20 mil? OK? You speak as if he wanted to exterminate Jews just like Hitler. You need to learn more about Hitler's objective and Stalins. Stalin was just a paranoid fuck who killed anyone of any race and of any religion just because he thought they would try to kill him.
Ghengis Khan killed millions too. Did he want to exterminate a group of people? Did Stalin want all Jews dead? All Christians dead?
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alpharedecho said: The Nazis? What do they have to do with our world today. Don't you find it odd that we are bombarded with references to the Nazi's. How about Stalin, he was responsible for millions and millions and millions of deaths, but nobody talks about that. When I say anti-Semite, I mean it in the modern context, which is: anyone who questions the motives, actions, etc of a Jewish person, is *BRANDED* an anti-Semite. A label which is impossible to shake.
It's a catch phrase designed to invoke irrational emotion in people, just like "Nazi". Is this only clear to me? Or does anyone else notice this?
There's no nazis today? Where have you been?
Ok, Stalin killed 20 mil? OK? You speak as if he wanted to exterminate Jews just like Hitler. You need to learn more about Hitler's objective and Stalins. Stalin was just a paranoid fuck who killed anyone of any race and of any religion just because he thought they would try to kill him.
Ghengis Khan killed millions too. Did he want to exterminate a group of people? Did Stalin want all Jews dead? All Christians dead?
I really don't care if someone is trying to kill all the people of a single religion, or if they are trying to kill as many random people as they can. They are equally bad.
So because Stalin killed people of all races and religions(which is a lie by the way, almost all of his victims were white Christan's) that somehow makes it less deplorable than what Hitler did? Not to mention he took out almost 30 million people.
Also, Hitler did not just kill Jews you idiot, he killed 11 million people, 6 million of which were Jewish, if you believe that number(keep in mind this is the only event in history you cannot question, without breaking the law in many countries, THE ONLY ONE). I never doubted the number 6 million, until I learned it was against the law in many countries, if it is truth, it should hold up to any amount of questioning. Not to mention all the soldiers who died in the war. 60,000 of my countrymen died in WWI, was that taught? Maybe a couple classes.
Just because I am sick of hearing about the 6 million over and over again, does not mean I wanted anyone to die. I just feel empathy for all groups, not Jewish people alone. Did you know in my grade 12 History class, there was a month long unit on the Holocaust, I'm not Jewish, nor is it a Jewish school, so why is this being taught so extensively? Why not learn about the Rwandan, Cambodia, USSR, Armenian genocide's? Not one mention of any of those, but a fucking month for the Holocaust.
I know what Hitlers motives were, and I know what Stalins were, you need to get your fucking head out of the sand if you think what Hitler did is worse than what Stalin did. They are both terrible things, end of story.
The Jewish people have received over 100 billion in reparations from Germany, and they are STILL paying. Do you know how many Holocaust museums there are(http://www.science.co.il/Holocaust-Museums.asp)? Do you know how many Holocaust movies have been made(Results 1 - 10 of about 8,720,000 for holocaust movies)? Why are their lives worth so much more than the rest of ours?
Now, who else in history has received reparations for genocide? hmmmm, no one you say? That's odd.
I just call it how I see it, is this all in my imagination?
"Results 1 - 10 of about 56,900,000 for holocaust"
"Results 1 - 10 of about 45,900,000 for Genocide"
Explain to me why there are over 10,000,000 more links for the word Holocaust(single event) than the word Genocide(which would include dozens and dozens of events). This is a search I did just now to see if this was all in my head. I know, I know, it's not a precise evaluation, but I think it speaks volumes.
In closing, I am sick of this immunity that Israel has to following rules, they will not get a free ride from me, every people have suffered, not just them.
This post is in no way a reference to the Jewish people as a whole, but rather their leaders, who seem to be working towards their people's extinction through their sheer arrogance.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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I really don't care if someone is trying to kill all the people of a single religion, or if they are trying to kill as many random people as they can. They are equally bad.
Hitler created Nazis and they are still alive today. They still preach hate and want to do the same shit Hitler did. That is the difference between Stalin and Hitler.
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alpharedecho said: So because Stalin killed people of all races and religions(which is a lie by the way, almost all of his victims were white Christan's) that somehow makes it less deplorable than what Hitler did? Not to mention he took out almost 30 million people.
Yes, it does. You need to stop comparing the Holocaust to what Stalin did. Hitler did it out of his idea of social darwinism and the idea that everything is the Jews' fault.
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alpharedecho said: Also, Hitler did not just kill Jews you idiot, he killed 11 million people, 6 million of which were Jewish, if you believe that number(keep in mind this is the only event in history you cannot question, without breaking the law in many countries, THE ONLY ONE). I never doubted the number 6 million, until I learned it was against the law in many countries, if it is truth, it should hold up to any amount of questioning. Not to mention all the soldiers who died in the war. 60,000 of my countrymen died in WWI, was that taught? Maybe a couple classes.
I'm an idiot? How so? I said Hitler only killed Jews? Huh? Really? I said that? Only Jews? I went to a private college prep high school and lets just say all other schools are subpar. I did multiple papers on the holocaust, slavery in America, Ancient Rome, etc etc.
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alpharedecho said: Just because I am sick of hearing about the 6 million over and over again, does not mean I wanted anyone to die. I just feel empathy for all groups, not Jewish people alone. Did you know in my grade 12 History class, there was a month long unit on the Holocaust, I'm not Jewish, nor is it a Jewish school, so why is this being taught so extensively? Why not learn about the Rwandan, Cambodia, USSR, Armenian genocide's? Not one mention of any of those, but a fucking month for the Holocaust.
Those events are not mentioned because there are not enough people to rally other countries to help them and because SOME of those countries and areas have been slaughtering eachother like cattle for a long time and it is nothing new. They also do not voice their problems as much as Jews.
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alpharedecho said: I know what Hitlers motives were, and I know what Stalins were, you need to get your fucking head out of the sand if you think what Hitler did is worse than what Stalin did. They are both terrible things, end of story.
Again, you don't know the difference between the two. You are comparing a guy that ordered his troops to specifically kill Jews, gay, retards, gypsies, etc. even if they posed no direct threat to him. Or he just made up some bs such as the Jews caused the poor economy in Germany.
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alpharedecho said: The Jewish people have received over 100 billion in reparations from Germany, and they are STILL paying. Do you know how many Holocaust museums there are(http://www.science.co.il/Holocaust-Museums.asp)? Do you know how many Holocaust movies have been made(Results 1 - 10 of about 8,720,000 for holocaust movies)? Why are their lives worth so much more than the rest of ours?
Ours? Who is ours? Are you from Rwanda?
As for the reparations they are paid by banks which either stored Jewish money, jewels, etc. before they were killed by Hitler or the money, jewels. etc which were stored by Hitler when he stole it from the Jews. The reparations from these banks are paid to living relatives who can prove that their relatives opened the accounts.
Also Germany paid reparations to Europe for WWI out of its own pocket.
Also here's something from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
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alpharedecho said: Now, who else in history has received reparations for genocide? hmmmm, no one you say? That's odd.
Who are you talking about? Who are rwandans going to get reparations from? The other piss poor Africans?
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"Results 1 - 10 of about 56,900,000 for holocaust"
"Results 1 - 10 of about 45,900,000 for Genocide"
Explain to me why there are over 10,000,000 more links for the word Holocaust(single event) than the word Genocide(which would include dozens and dozens of events). This is a search I did just now to see if this was all in my head. I know, I know, it's not a precise evaluation, but I think it speaks volumes.
So are you saying it is all a conspiracy? Have you ever thought that people don't give a fuck about other people? Maybe those people have not been able to voice their opinions and efforts like the Jews have? Is it the Jew's fault that no one gives a fuck if Africans slaughter eachother like cattle?
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alpharedecho said: In closing, I am sick of this immunity that Israel has to following rules, they will not get a free ride from me, every people have suffered, not just them.
So how do you propose everyone's problems should be shown to the world? Should the Jews do it?
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I really don't care if someone is trying to kill all the people of a single religion, or if they are trying to kill as many random people as they can. They are equally bad.
Hitler created Nazis and they are still alive today. They still preach hate and want to do the same shit Hitler did. That is the difference between Stalin and Hitler.
So you are saying Hitler is responsible for the actions of people, over 60 years after his death?
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alpharedecho said: So because Stalin killed people of all races and religions(which is a lie by the way, almost all of his victims were white Christan's) that somehow makes it less deplorable than what Hitler did? Not to mention he took out almost 30 million people.
Yes, it does. You need to stop comparing the Holocaust to what Stalin did. Hitler did it out of his idea of social darwinism and the idea that everything is the Jews' fault.
Still doesn't make their lives anymore valuable then those who died in Siberia. I want to see hundreds of museums dedicated to those who died in the USSR.
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alpharedecho said: Also, Hitler did not just kill Jews you idiot, he killed 11 million people, 6 million of which were Jewish, if you believe that number(keep in mind this is the only event in history you cannot question, without breaking the law in many countries, THE ONLY ONE). I never doubted the number 6 million, until I learned it was against the law in many countries, if it is truth, it should hold up to any amount of questioning. Not to mention all the soldiers who died in the war. 60,000 of my countrymen died in WWI, was that taught? Maybe a couple classes.
I'm an idiot? How so? I said Hitler only killed Jews? Huh? Really? I said that? Only Jews? I went to a private college prep high school and lets just say all other schools are subpar. I did multiple papers on the holocaust, slavery in America, Ancient Rome, etc etc.
I must admit, your a clever debator, for someone who does not address the facts properly. You wrote about how Stalin and Hitler were different(Hitler being more evil from the sounds of your posts) based on the fact that Hitler went after a people of a specific background. I was simply saying many people died in WWII, of all backgrounds, thanks to Hitler. Arguably, according to your logic, Stalin is the more evil man, since his victims were primarily Christians. I really don't care where you went to school.
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alpharedecho said: Just because I am sick of hearing about the 6 million over and over again, does not mean I wanted anyone to die. I just feel empathy for all groups, not Jewish people alone. Did you know in my grade 12 History class, there was a month long unit on the Holocaust, I'm not Jewish, nor is it a Jewish school, so why is this being taught so extensively? Why not learn about the Rwandan, Cambodia, USSR, Armenian genocide's? Not one mention of any of those, but a fucking month for the Holocaust.
Those events are not mentioned because there are not enough people to rally other countries to help them and because SOME of those countries and areas have been slaughtering eachother like cattle for a long time and it is nothing new. They also do not voice their problems as much as Jews.
They are not mentioned because there is no time left in the curriculum after a MONTH of holocaust studies. So because it is not new that people are being slaughtered, who cares. They don't voice there problems as much as Jews? That is where we agree, also, money talks. So does the threat of anti-semitism if you don't cry for those poor holocaust victims for the rest of your life.
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alpharedecho said: I know what Hitlers motives were, and I know what Stalins were, you need to get your fucking head out of the sand if you think what Hitler did is worse than what Stalin did. They are both terrible things, end of story.
Again, you don't know the difference between the two. You are comparing a guy that ordered his troops to specifically kill Jews, gay, retards, gypsies, etc. even if they posed no direct threat to him. Or he just made up some bs such as the Jews caused the poor economy in Germany.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html Again, the only difference between Stalin and Hitler, is Stalin killed 3 times the number of people Hitler did.
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alpharedecho said: The Jewish people have received over 100 billion in reparations from Germany, and they are STILL paying. Do you know how many Holocaust museums there are(http://www.science.co.il/Holocaust-Museums.asp)? Do you know how many Holocaust movies have been made(Results 1 - 10 of about 8,720,000 for holocaust movies)? Why are their lives worth so much more than the rest of ours?
Ours? Who is ours? Are you from Rwanda?
Obviously I mean Gentiles, for a guy who went to private school your not too bright.
As for the reparations they are paid by banks which either stored Jewish money, jewels, etc. before they were killed by Hitler or the money, jewels. etc which were stored by Hitler when he stole it from the Jews. The reparations from these banks are paid to living relatives who can prove that their relatives opened the accounts.
Wrong, Germans who were not even alive during the Holocaust pay reparations through taxes. If I were a German youth, this would infuriate me.
Also Germany paid reparations to Europe for WWI out of its own pocket.
So what?
Also here's something from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
Again, you are missing my point, why are Jews the only ones who get reparations?
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alpharedecho said: Now, who else in history has received reparations for genocide? hmmmm, no one you say? That's odd.
Who are you talking about? Who are rwandans going to get reparations from? The other piss poor Africans?
How about the 30 million Christians who died in Russia, how about the Armenians? Germany didn't really have the money to payback either, but they found a way.
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"Results 1 - 10 of about 56,900,000 for holocaust"
"Results 1 - 10 of about 45,900,000 for Genocide"
Explain to me why there are over 10,000,000 more links for the word Holocaust(single event) than the word Genocide(which would include dozens and dozens of events). This is a search I did just now to see if this was all in my head. I know, I know, it's not a precise evaluation, but I think it speaks volumes.
So are you saying it is all a conspiracy? Have you ever thought that people don't give a fuck about other people? Maybe those people have not been able to voice their opinions and efforts like the Jews have? Is it the Jew's fault that no one gives a fuck if Africans slaughter eachother like cattle?
Are you serious, yeah, when in doubt, throw out a condescending buzz word like conspiracy. How is it a conspiracy when the results are right in front of your eyes? You right "Have you ever thought that people don't give a fuck about other people?"
THANK YOU, THAT WAS MY POINT ALL ALONG! Now why is this, who runs the Media? If I had seen over 100 Holocaust films, I would feel for them too.
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alpharedecho said: In closing, I am sick of this immunity that Israel has to following rules, they will not get a free ride from me, every people have suffered, not just them.
So how do you propose everyone's problems should be shown to the world? Should the Jews do it?
Again, you are missing my point, everyone's problems don't need to be shown to the world, the Jews just have to stop rubbing theirs in all our faces.
Also, would you mind commenting on the fact that the only event in History, which is against the law to argue is the Holocaust. I find this extremely odd, no matter what, the truth will always stand up to any argument. I am in no way a holocaust denier, I just question the fact it is the only event in history, which is illegal to argue(in many countries).
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Why should they stop rubbing it in your face? Jews have been hated even before the Holocaust and before there was Israel. This is all because of the Bible and you can look it up on wiki. I guess we, Jews, even though I don't practice, have decided to make sure that no one ever tries to fuck with Jews.
It is against the law because Nazis still want to kill Jews. That is one of the big reasons my parents got me out of Russia. There are currently a lot of kids that are becoming Nazis because they have nothing else in their life, well, and heroin, lots of heroin there too.
Jews basically have been successful in making sure everyone knows not to fuck with them, ever.
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Seems to me like they are doing the opposite. This kind of behaviour builds animosity from the people you get even with. I don't want any ill to befall the Jewish people, but I can see it coming if they don't cut out this "chosen ones" shit. You know what I mean?
Questioning the Holocaust has nothing to do with Neo Nazis. If anything, the Neo Nazis are thinking the same thing as me "if it happened, why is it illegal to question it?" Since any questioning would surely prove the doubters wrong.
This all comes full circle to what Israel did to Lebanon, they are just creating more enemies all the time. They cannot take on the whole world.
The only reason I care about any of this, is because the west is associated with Israel, since we pay for many of the weapons they use on the Arabs. Now I am no ally of Islamic fundamentalists, but I don't want to be their enemy either, if I can help it.
I think Israel should be relocated to Germany, or the USA.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: Seems to me like they are doing the opposite. This kind of behaviour builds animosity from the people you get even with. I don't want any ill to befall the Jewish people, but I can see it coming if they don't cut out this "chosen ones" shit. You know what I mean?
Questioning the Holocaust has nothing to do with Neo Nazis. If anything, the Neo Nazis are thinking the same thing as me "if it happened, why is it illegal to question it?" Since any questioning would surely prove the doubters wrong.
This all comes full circle to what Israel did to Lebanon, they are just creating more enemies all the time. They cannot take on the whole world.
The only reason I care about any of this, is because the west is associated with Israel, since we pay for many of the weapons they use on the Arabs. Now I am no ally of Islamic fundamentalists, but I don't want to be their enemy either, if I can help it.
I think Israel should be relocated to Germany, or the USA.
Jews didn't do anything in the past and people still fucked with them.
By the way, Osama attacked us because we were on Muslim soil, not because we help Israel.
Why should Israel be relocated somewher else? The Jews have lived there before were conquered by Muslims, Arabs, or Romans. They managed to kick some Roman ass when they were conquered by them and now it is the Muslim's turn.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5990520 - 08/23/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's an interesting quote I once heard. "Any group of people that have been kicked out of over 40 kingdoms, must be doing something wrong."
Oh yeah, What Muslim Oil was America on when September 11th occurred. You are also assuming it was Osama who attacked the USA. I am not someone who shares that belief.
The reason Israel should be moved is because it is like punishing the Palestinians for the Germans actions.
Jews conquered the Romans? I was not aware of that. I remember reading about a revolt, where Jews managed to take out some Roman soldiers, but that revolt was suppressed as far as I know.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5990543 - 08/23/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Osama Bin Laden did attack us and that is a fact. Everything else is a conspiracy theory (hypothesis) and is therefore not fact.
Yes I edited my post. Point is that people have tried to conquer that area for long time and Jews always revolt against all the invaders.
It is also not just German actions. Jews have basically been labeled as evil by people because of the Bible so they decided to make their own country which will defend all Jews. There are Jews from all over the world in Israel and A LOT serve in the IDF, protecting the new homeland for a group of people which were always kicked around.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6006332 - 08/28/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess we, Jews, even though I don't practice, have decided to make sure that no one ever tries to fuck with Jews.
Unfortunately, a relative handful of radical Jews and Christians with this same attitude have grown disproportionately influential. (Don't forget, Christians were persecuted too, according to their distorted memories). When you take this attitude, no one really cares, but when world leaders like those who own many of the biggest banks and oil companies in the world take this belligerent attitude, the whole world suffers. Just look at WWI, WWII, and the world today. Britain marched into WWI thinking it was the -war to end all wars-, aka Armageddon. They were dead wrong then, and you are dead wrong now. Banks, oil money, bullshit religions, and general ignorance and greed cause all the problems. If not for those influences, there is no reason the world could not be a safe, universally prosperous, and a ever improving place.
Now, if you want to call me a Nazi again, go ahead, but it only shows how weak your position is. If you can't debate the facts without playing the Holocaust card, you have nothing to say. I mean really nothing at all, my friend. Arabs and Africans are dying in the hundreds of thousands thanks to greed and religious fanaticism and you are talking about some vague Nazi nonsense from an ugly European past.
The world wants Persian and Arab oil, and that is the ultimate reason Israel was created by the financers of the dying British Empire, and is now supported by the grasping financers of the American Empire. If the oil was on the moon, the moon would soon become the closest place to God, and therefore the place for crazy Jews and Christians to go. (I just wish!)
Arabs and Persians know this, and they are irrationally violent about protecting their own, just like the so-called Israelis are irrationally violent about keeping what they took out of greed and self aggrandizement; and the result is war and death.
You say the Jews somehow owned Jerusalem first? But they took it from the people who were there before them. Not only that, but todays Jews are less related to the original Jews of Jerusalem than are the Palestinians and Lebanese themselves. Those are the people of Jerusalem, and the so called Israelites of today are nothing more than the invaders from the North.
You also seem to say no other ethnic group in history was persecuted by a rich adversary who is capable of paying reparations? What about all the native peoples systematically wiped out by Europe around the world? Perhaps the truth is, Europe, including those giant Jewish-run banks, owe the world. Not the other way around. Who is going to pay for all the destruction in Lebanon? That's not ancient history, it is current events. Pay up! you hypocrite. (my friend)
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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Now, if you want to call me a Nazi again, go ahead, but it only shows how weak your position is. If you can't debate the facts without playing the Holocaust card, you have nothing to say. I mean really nothing at all, my friend. Arabs and Africans are dying in the hundreds of thousands thanks to greed and religious fanaticism and you are talking about some vague Nazi nonsense from an ugly European past.
I called you a nazi? Who are you? Did you make a second account? A puppet?
Oh and don't worry, I'll reply to your rubbish after I finish genetics homework.
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rikjoh said: Read "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillips
Look up "American Israel Public Affairs Committee" in wikipedia.
Then consider this fact: The Federal Reserve, which prints all US currency and sets interest rates, is not and has never been a US Government institution. It has always been, since it's creation in 1913, a privately held corporation of principly Jewish banking families. They own US. So why do you think we support Israel? It is a simple case of denial not to see it. We don't want to believe we are owned by these Jewish families, but we are.
ROTHSCHILD banks of London and Berlin LAZARD BROTHERS Banks of Paris ISRAEL MOSES SEIF Banks of Italy WARBURG Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam LEHMAN BROTHERS Bank of New York GOLDMAN, Sachs Banks of New York KUHN, Loeb Bank of New York CHASE MANHATTAN Bank of New York
Read about the histories of these families, going back about 300+ years, and you will see it doesn't take any secret plot. It's all right out in the open. They were the founders of our Federal Reserve, and their descendants manage most of the money in the western world. And significant numbers of them believe Israel was promised to the Jews by God. The rest you can feel certain believe that all the oil in Iraq and Iran is worth a lot more than a few thousand American lives.
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Yep. Jews and Arabs have always been good with money. Muslim merchant were probably the most successful merchants in the history of earth.
The Nazis used the fact that Jews own a lot of banks as one way to attack the Jews. Too bad that resulted in a shitty economy when they did that. Well, the German economy was shit anyway since the end of WWI.
and then he said:
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I called you a nazi? Who are you? Did you make a second account? A puppet?
jeeze, brother, ease off the pot. You don't even remember what it was that started you off with your ranting.
Ok, maybe we all got derailed. Peace. Let's get back to the problem of how to keep Israel from killing it's neighbors 10:1. Any ideas?
btw. I love genetics.
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That doesn't look like he called you a Nazi to me.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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Don't you mean how to keep Jews from being exterminated by its neighbors or the Jews being placed into second class citizen status again in the Muslim countries?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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Let's kill 'em all in case thier desperate cries for revenge turn out to be possibilities. Why does everyone forget that we started this?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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How did we start this? Jews moved to Israel from all of the surrounding Muslim countries because they got tired of being second class citizens.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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Rove has been planning this since high school.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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Most of the early Jewish immigrants were moved in from Europe and especially Russia with the help of the big banking families like the Rothschilds and Warburgs, who spent hundreds of millions of dollars buying up large tracts of land. Everybody got along fairly well until the Jews decided they wanted a Jewish state all for themselves, instead of just buying land and living within the existing governments. Then the more radical of these self-named Zionists became the original Mid-East terrorists, fighting for a Jewish state. That went on until the end of WWII, when Britain and the Allies helped these terrorists become an official government.
After that, Jews from all over started moving in, yes. But that was only after years of terrorism by the earlier Zionists, and was followed by more years of war, especially with Egypt, and continuous oppression of the Palestinian Arabs, who justifiably were unhappy about losing their lands and sovereignty.
For many years, the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) was among the most brutal and ruthless forces in the world. So it's hardly surprising that they continue to kill indiscriminately almost anyone they can target, though with some grudging pretense at trying to spare civilians.
I'm not defending Islamic terrorists, mind you. There are very few good guys over there right now. If Israel could show less greed and more tolerance, they could change things and start leading the way toward relative peace.
Instead, Israel, plus big finance, plus big oil, plus evangelical Christians, they want it all and will go on killing until they get it. They can't even imagine compromising their greed and arrogance in the name of peaceful coexistence. They don't believe in it, and so the killing continues and will go on and on.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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So Jews were never second class citizens in Muslim countries?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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All groups have been second class citizens somewhere at some time. Jews had it bad for a long time, but not the worst case in history, not by far.
But you think Jews today are the most abused group in the world and so can justify anything they do to anyone else?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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No, that does not justify everything that they do. People got pissed when they took Gaza and West Bank but then Israeli citizens and Sharon decided it would be best to give those areas back. Gaza has been returned and so have parts of the West Bank. Maybe if Sharon didn't fall into a coma then West Bank withdrawl would have been finished.
And who do you mean "anyone else?" The arabs around them that put them into second classes?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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You consider what Gaza is to be "given back" to the Palestinian people? Is that a joke?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6013806 - 08/30/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No? Gaza and West Bank were captured during the 1967 war . Israel gave back almost all land during that war but kept gaza and west bank. Now Gaza has been given back and so have parts of West Bank. But that doesn't matter because right after Israel withdrew from Gaza militants started using it to fire rockets into Israel.
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Yeah, Gaza has been a sovereign nation since Israel "gave" it back. Israel sill controls their borders, airspace, and territorial waters.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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So the Palestinian Authority has no control over Gaza whatsoever?
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THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID! I SAID IT IS NOT A SOVEREIGN NATION, LIKE IT SHOULD BE!
If America had control of my countries airspace, borders, and territorial waters, among other things, your damn right I would be fighting it.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Hold it, hold it, hold it. If there is to be any giving back of the Gaza Strip and West Bank it will be to Egypt and Jordan, respectively, not some previously nonexistant group. They were each parts of different nations, which waged a war of annihilation on Israel, lost, and now don't want to have anything to do with either the land or the people. There never was a Palestinian state. Ever. And Jordan and Egypt say, "You won it, you got it."
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: zappaisgod]
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Gaza might be peaceful even under Israeli control, if Israel didn't treat all Arabs as 2nd class citizens on their own land. But Israel reserves the right to destroy any house, any building, factory, school, bridge or hospital, and kill anyone, whether Arab, UN employee, Journalist, child, or even infant. I know, those infants in Lebanon and Gaza are future terrorists, right? Or no, we should blame Hezbollah for just asking for it soooo much, like my wife does when I have a few too many drinks!
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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rikjoh said: Gaza might be peaceful even under Israeli control, if Israel didn't treat all Arabs as 2nd class citizens on their own land.
So are israeli arabs treated badly by the Jewish israelies?
So you would rather have the Jews living in muslim countries and be second class citizens instead of the arabs being second class citizens?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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"So are israeli arabs treated badly by the Jewish israelies?
So you would rather have the Jews living in muslim countries and be second class citizens instead of the arabs being second class citizens? "
Answer this.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6017845 - 09/01/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just did you numb-skull, I would rather have them each get their own state, that way nobody is a second class citizen. You should lay off the drugs buddy.
AKA "How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories."
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: I just did you numb-skull.....You should lay off the drugs buddy.
Hey dude, you need to chill down a bit, eh.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: I just did you numb-skull, I would rather have them each get their own state, that way nobody is a second class citizen. You should lay off the drugs buddy.
AKA "How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories."
Israel did get their own country... But the Arabs don't like the Jews having freedom in their land. The Arabs have always held Jews as second class citizens and as soon as they started immigrating to Israel they got pissed.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6022607 - 09/02/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: I just did you numb-skull, I would rather have them each get their own state, that way nobody is a second class citizen. You should lay off the drugs buddy.
AKA "How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories."
Israel did get their own country... But the Arabs don't like the Jews having freedom in their land. The Arabs have always held Jews as second class citizens and as soon as they started immigrating to Israel they got pissed.
Obviously Israel got their own country. Why do you feel the need to state the obvious? Is it because you have nothing better to say? I was talking about a Palestinian state, free from Israeli interference.
What the Arabs don't like, is having their land taken away for the mistakes of others.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Well actually arabs/muslims have always resented the idea of jewish communities establishing little kingdoms even before there was Israel The same thing happened in present day Israel when Rome conquered the area and the jews still tried to maintain their own areas free from Roman control.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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I don't think Arabs would give a shit, if Israel was located in any other part of the world.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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No.... Jews have always tried to establish their own communities in the Middle East and parts of North Africa. The Arabs have always destroyed those communities with either large massacres of the whole communities or deportation. The arabs/muslims have always resented the idea of second class citizens becoming powerful and establishing their own countries in the middle of arab/muslim lands.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Israelis has always been there. The Muslims just conquered them and emposed sharia law in that area which discriminated against the Jews. Jews actually started moving to Israel even before the Holocaust because of discrimination in Muslim lands.
Howbout this: The Jews wouldn't care if the arabs stayed in the arabian peninsula? The Jews wouldn't care if Muslims didn't start discriminating against the Jews and forcing them to move to Israel?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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I have to say, I have no idea how ancient Rome and vague claims about Muslims being mean toward Jews justifies any of what Israel's Defense Force has been doing to Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. I can see absolutely no connection. Israel is simply wrong to kill innocent people, and then try to justify it with racist rhetoric, when the real motivations are still greed and arrogance. Greed and arrogance will always foster violent resistance from the impoverished. It is the same all over the world and throughout history. Killing the impoverished for reacting violently toward greed and arrogance is simply tyranny. It has nothing to do with historic grievances, because the majority of people being killed have only been added to this history by Israel and the IDF, not by their own choosing.
Can anyone explain how violating cease fires and killing muslim babies helps to prevent Jews from being treated as second class citizens in Muslim countries? To me, it would seem to have just the opposite effect.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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Israel is simply wrong to kill innocent people, and then try to justify it with racist rhetoric, when the real motivations are still greed and arrogance.
Presumably you would also say the Palis are wrong to kill innocent people, no? Because they do, you know.
I am curious as to what you believe Israel's response should be. Sit back and do nothing? Give back Gaza in the hopes the murders will stop? Yeah... that strategy worked out real well, didn't it?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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Killing Muslim babies? And Palestinians don't kill Jewish babies?
You seem to think that Jews have been second class citizens because they killed people.... They were second class citizens LOOOOONG BEFORE Israel started fighting for its life.
Vague claims of Muslims being mean towards Jews? History is vague to you?
"Jewish communities, in Islamic times often (though not always[1]) living in ghettos known as mellah, have existed in Morocco for at least 2,000 years. Intermittent large scale massacres (such as that of 6,000 Jews in Fez in 1033, over 100,000 Jews in Fez and Marrakesh in 1146 and again in Marrakesh in 1232)[4] were accompanied by systematic discrimination through the years. "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
"Jews have lived in Tunisia for at least 2300 years. In the thirteenth century, Jews were expelled from their homes in Kairouan and were ultimately restricted to ghettos known as hara.............Tunisia, as the only Middle Eastern country under direct Nazi control during World War II, was also the site of anti-Semitic activities such as prison camps, deportations, and other persecution."
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Israel is simply wrong to kill innocent people, and then try to justify it with racist rhetoric, when the real motivations are still greed and arrogance.
Presumably you would also say the Palis are wrong to kill innocent people, no? Because they do, you know.
I am curious as to what you believe Israel's response should be. Sit back and do nothing? Give back Gaza in the hopes the murders will stop? Yeah... that strategy worked out real well, didn't it?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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Obviously, if you put words in my mouth and make silly assumptions about what I "must" believe, you can justify anything, even murder.
If you guys want to compare baby killings over let's say the last 50 years, I'm afraid you'll find Israelis kill Muslim babies at about 100:1 (at least) compared to the other way around. Just a rough guess.
You are still going back to ancient history to find anything to say. If we want to go back to who did what since 1033, we'll have to give back 100% of the Americas, because we slaughtered and enslaved 100's of millions of native people to get them, and we better give up doing math and science because we never would have come up with it on our own, and clearly we don't want to be culturally indebted to someone who killed 100,000 Jews in 1146. I guess the 100's of thousands of Christians killed by Muslims, and the 100's of thousands of Jews killed by Christians don't matter to you? According to your excuses, all that matters is what some Muslims did 1000 years ago.
You just can't compare what Israel has done to anything the Palistinians or Lebanese have done. It's on a totally different level. If Israel is really only trying to survive, and would really like to live in peace, which I don't believe, they should start by giving the Palestinians a chance to build an independent economy, instead of feeding them scraps and telling them to just accept it. They should stop setting up rules they know only they can win by, and then bombing the crap out of whoever breaks a rule they never accepted in the first place.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
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rikjoh said: If you guys want to compare baby killings over let's say the last 50 years, I'm afraid you'll find Israelis kill Muslim babies at about 100:1 (at least) compared to the other way around. Just a rough guess.
So by that logic if Palestinians killed more Israelis then you would be for the Israelis?
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rikjoh said: You are still going back to ancient history to find anything to say.
But doesn't history give us insights into what is going on in the present?
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If we want to go back to who did what since 1033, we'll have to give back 100% of the Americas, because we slaughtered and enslaved 100's of millions of native people to get them, and we better give up doing math and science because we never would have come up with it on our own, and clearly we don't want to be culturally indebted to someone who killed 100,000 Jews in 1146. I guess the 100's of thousands of Christians killed by Muslims, and the 100's of thousands of Jews killed by Christians don't matter to you?
With that kind of thinking it can all go back to the time when Homo Sapiens began moving out of Africa and different groups being able to settle land and live on it while making sure their groups, tribes, clans, etc. survive.
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rikjoh said: According to your excuses, all that matters is what so me Muslims did 1000 years ago.
Actually I talked about Europeans being just as bad towards the Jews, I think I talked about it here..... The difference is that Jews have gained equality in most parts of Europe. But when it comes to Muslim Empires/countries the Jews have always stayed as second class citizens since they were conquered by the Muslims.
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rikjoh said:You just can't compare what Israel has done to anything the Palistinians or Lebanese have done. It's on a totally different level.
Actually you are right. Israel has not done enough to the Muslims and the entire world. If the tables were trully turned then Israel would conquer the whole Middle East, parts of Europe, and then Africa. Then convert most of the populations to Judaism and put the non believers in a lower class and make sure they are segregated and powerless.
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rikjoh said: If Israel is really only trying to survive, and would really like to live in peace, which I don't believe, they should start by giving the Palestinians a chance to build an independent economy, instead of feeding them scraps and telling them to just accept it.
That is exactly what Jews are trying to do. To survive in a world/region where they have been constantly bullied, massacred, oppressed, and discriminated against for a long long time.
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rikjoh said: They should stop setting up rules they know only they can win by, and then bombing the crap out of whoever breaks a rule they never accepted in the first place.
Israel is not the only country that does this in the world. A lot of countries set up rules to favour their populations. That is exactly what Americans, Muslims, Romans, Greeks, etc. have done and are doing. Yes, it would be great if everyone loved eachother and peace reigned on Earth but as history has proven this is not the case.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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rikjoh said: If you guys want to compare baby killings over let's say the last 50 years, I'm afraid you'll find Israelis kill Muslim babies at about 100:1 (at least) compared to the other way around. Just a rough guess.
So by that logic if Palestinians killed more Israelis then you would be for the Israelis?
What difference does that make, it is NOT what is happening. Stop replying with irrelevant questions.
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rikjoh said: You are still going back to ancient history to find anything to say.
But doesn't history give us insights into what is going on in the present?
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If we want to go back to who did what since 1033, we'll have to give back 100% of the Americas, because we slaughtered and enslaved 100's of millions of native people to get them, and we better give up doing math and science because we never would have come up with it on our own, and clearly we don't want to be culturally indebted to someone who killed 100,000 Jews in 1146. I guess the 100's of thousands of Christians killed by Muslims, and the 100's of thousands of Jews killed by Christians don't matter to you?
With that kind of thinking it can all go back to the time when Homo Sapiens began moving out of Africa and different groups being able to settle land and live on it while making sure their groups, tribes, clans, etc. survive.
No, he is saying DON'T go back that far, do you even read other's posts before replying?
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rikjoh said: According to your excuses, all that matters is what so me Muslims did 1000 years ago.
Actually I talked about Europeans being just as bad towards the Jews, I think I talked about it here..... The difference is that Jews have gained equality in most parts of Europe. But when it comes to Muslim Empires/countries the Jews have always stayed as second class citizens since they were conquered by the Muslims.
So you've said. They don't like Jews, and with good reason, IMO.
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rikjoh said:You just can't compare what Israel has done to anything the Palistinians or Lebanese have done. It's on a totally different level.
Actually you are right. Israel has not done enough to the Muslims and the entire world. If the tables were trully turned then Israel would conquer the whole Middle East, parts of Europe, and then Africa. Then convert most of the populations to Judaism and put the non believers in a lower class and make sure they are segregated and powerless.
They're working on it.
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rikjoh said: If Israel is really only trying to survive, and would really like to live in peace, which I don't believe, they should start by giving the Palestinians a chance to build an independent economy, instead of feeding them scraps and telling them to just accept it.
That is exactly what Jews are trying to do. To survive in a world/region where they have been constantly bullied, massacred, oppressed, and discriminated against for a long long time.
Maybe it's time to move then. No, they should stay and bomb their Muslim neighbors to hell. THAT will make Muslims see they were all wrong on the matter.
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rikjoh said: They should stop setting up rules they know only they can win by, and then bombing the crap out of whoever breaks a rule they never accepted in the first place.
Israel is not the only country that does this in the world. A lot of countries set up rules to favour their populations. That is exactly what Americans, Muslims, Romans, Greeks, etc. have done and are doing. Yes, it would be great if everyone loved eachother and peace reigned on Earth but as history has proven this is not the case.
The Romans are doing that? Really, wow. I don't know any other civilized countries, besides the US and Israel that are destroying whole countries for unjust reasons.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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What difference does that make, it is NOT what is happening. Stop replying with irrelevant questions.
It is not irrelevant because you seem to think that if one side stopped killing then the other side would stop too.
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alpharedecho said: No, he is saying DON'T go back that far, do you even read other's posts before replying?
So we shouldn't use history to explain situations that are happening right now?
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alpharedecho said: So you've said. They don't like Jews, and with good reason, IMO.
Yes, they don't like Jews partially because of what was said in the New Testament and because Jews have always tried to make a homeland for themselves where they are not oppressed. What gives one group of people the right to conquer and make a home for themselves and not others?
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They're working on it.
If you knew your history then you would know that Jews don't really have any precedence in converting large populations to Judaism.
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alpharedecho said:Maybe it's time to move then. No, they should stay and bomb their Muslim neighbors to hell. THAT will make Muslims see they were all wrong on the matter.
So they should submit to Muslim rule and not try to gain indepedence in a region they have lived in way before the Muslims arrived?
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The Romans are doing that? Really, wow. I don't know any other civilized countries, besides the US and Israel that are destroying whole countries for unjust reasons.
I didn't say Romans were doing that, I said they have done that in the past.
So Israel and USA are the first countries to destroy other countries for unjust reasons? Then every empire and every world power has been unjust.
It is not about justice but about survival. So basically it all boils down to people accepting the reality in which we live. Countries, nations, empires, etc. spread their influence, wealth, power, and most of all well-being by conquering others.
Also, the only counties that are threatened by Israel are the one that haven't recognized Israel as a country. You do know that there are Muslim countries that have pretty peaceful relations with Israel because they recognize its existence. That is also what Jews have been fighting for for a LONG LONG time. When Romans conquered them they rebelled, when Muslims conquered them they rebelled again. Now they have finally accomplished their mission in building a nation for themselves.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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Israel has not done enough to the Muslims and the entire world. If the tables were trully turned then Israel would conquer the whole Middle East, parts of Europe, and then Africa. Then convert most of the populations to Judaism and put the non believers in a lower class and make sure they are segregated and powerless.
If we want to speak historically, Judaism as a social force has never wanted to conquer and convert. Rather, they want to infiltrate and control. Muslims have warrior prophets, Jews have Jewish mothers. Different strategies toward the same basic objectives of world domination.
I wouldn't really care about what went on over there if my tax dollars weren't helping to foot the bill. Israel recieves more US foreign aid than any other country. $3 billion a year, with no accountability and no strings attached. When Israel stops spending MY money to fight ITs feuds, then I'll stop worrying about it. Until then, I have no problem telling anyone how wrong they are to kill innocent people and destroy hope in other countries just because they can't accept playing by the home rules of their adopted region.
If they don't like it and can't act more reasonably, they should leave. I'll vote for swapping them half of Utah for the Palestine, and then trading the Palestine to Syria and Iran in exchange for Iranian vouchers for a few hundred billion barrels of oil. I think we can work out a deal.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
#6032462 - 09/05/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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rikjoh said: If we want to speak historically, Judaism as a social force has never wanted to conquer and convert. Rather, they want to infiltrate and control. Muslims have warrior prophets, Jews have Jewish mothers. Different strategies toward the same basic objectives of world domination.
Now you are talking conspiracy theories.
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rikjoh said: =I have no problem telling anyone how wrong they are to kill innocent people and destroy hope in other countries just because they can't accept playing by the home rules of their adopted region.
And what exactly are the home rules of their adopted region in which they lived in for thousands of years? Muslims rule?
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rikjoh said: If they don't like it and can't act more reasonably, they should leave.
So why exactly should Jews leave when they lived there longer than Muslims?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
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I guess you'll just have to figure out these mysteries for yourself, mate.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
#6033235 - 09/05/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any1 here know what he is talking about?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6033516 - 09/05/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He is talking about the fact that you don't know how to debate. Instead of addressing the points made, you spout off the same nonsense, or just random facts that have nothing to do with the discussion.
You also claim a lot of things as conspiracy theories, which have solid evidence.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6033976 - 09/06/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forget it. All I can say is I love the picture of those two Jew-girls french-kissing. I'm rarely able to feel so superior, but I feel like I'm being pitched softballs by a rabid little-league reject. Sorry, but how could anyone not pick up on the Jewish mother joke, and then to ignore the whole Utah thing is just to admit complete fear and desperation. On the other hand, I actually think the Utah trade would solve a lot of problems, both economically and culturally.
Oh, see... that was another joke. Sorry. I'm just happy tonight.
Like I said. Forget it. Let's nuke Iran. Who's with me?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: He is talking about the fact that you don't know how to debate. Instead of addressing the points made, you spout off the same nonsense, or just random facts that have nothing to do with the discussion.
You also claim a lot of things as conspiracy theories, which have solid evidence.
This has nothing to do with the original discussion...... You guys ran out of ideas and have resorted to attacks but it's whatever.
As the discussion went on I tried to make valid points which were shrugged off as being irrelevant to the situation at hand. The history of the whole conflict has been basically forgotten.
The conspiracy theories will always be on this board partially due to the "culture" that is present on this board. That however does not make them true. There have been dozens, hundreds of threads about bullshit that people make up when parts of the puzzle are missing and make up bullshit to fit the puzzle.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6034518 - 09/06/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you see what I was replying to?
"Any1 here know what he is talking about?"
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6035095 - 09/06/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you see who I replied to? You.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6035182 - 09/06/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Troll. I was thinking of putting you on ignore, but your retarded post's make me laugh.
I better not get banned or some shit, cause it seems pretty clear to me he is a troll. Look at the last 5 posts in this thread.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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You could get banned for it, I suppose, but it's not worth the effort. This post has strayed far enough from its original topic pages ago that I had been thinking of locking it anyway. The thread has obviously run its course.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
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alpharedecho said: Troll. I was thinking of putting you on ignore, but your retarded post's make me laugh.
I better not get banned or some shit, cause it seems pretty clear to me he is a troll. Look at the last 5 posts in this thread.
Ahh resorting to name calling after running out of ideas?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6035586 - 09/06/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, I literally think you are a troll. No person responds the way you do, when they want to be taken seriously.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Phred]
#6035653 - 09/06/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This has gotten so stupid that I'm going to lock it.
If you want to continue to act like children, you will be treated like children. This will be locked, but if this shit continues between the two of you, you will both be forced to sit in the corner. Please grow up.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6035654 - 09/06/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: The children can't learn to be civil.
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