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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6022607 - 09/02/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
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alpharedecho said:
I just did you numb-skull, I would rather have them each get their own state, that way nobody is a second class citizen. You should lay off the drugs buddy.

AKA "How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories."




Israel did get their own country... But the Arabs don't like the Jews having freedom in their land. The Arabs have always held Jews as second class citizens and as soon as they started immigrating to Israel they got pissed.




Obviously Israel got their own country. Why do you feel the need to state the obvious? Is it because you have nothing better to say? I was talking about a Palestinian state, free from Israeli interference.

What the Arabs don't like, is having their land taken away for the mistakes of others.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6023662 - 09/02/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well actually arabs/muslims have always resented the idea of jewish communities establishing little kingdoms even before there was Israel The same thing happened in present day Israel when Rome conquered the area and the jews still tried to maintain their own areas free from Roman control.


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6023676 - 09/02/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think Arabs would give a shit, if Israel was located in any other part of the world.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6025024 - 09/03/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No.... Jews have always tried to establish their own communities in the Middle East and parts of North Africa. The Arabs have always destroyed those communities with either large massacres of the whole communities or deportation. The arabs/muslims have always resented the idea of second class citizens becoming powerful and establishing their own countries in the middle of arab/muslim lands.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6026064 - 09/03/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
I don't think Arabs would give a shit, if Israel was located in any other part of the world.




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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6026068 - 09/03/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Israelis has always been there. The Muslims just conquered them and emposed sharia law in that area which discriminated against the Jews. Jews actually started moving to Israel even before the Holocaust because of discrimination in Muslim lands.

Howbout this: The Jews wouldn't care if the arabs stayed in the arabian peninsula? The Jews wouldn't care if Muslims didn't start discriminating against the Jews and forcing them to move to Israel?


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6028141 - 09/04/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have to say, I have no idea how ancient Rome and vague claims about Muslims being mean toward Jews justifies any of what Israel's Defense Force has been doing to Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. I can see absolutely no connection. Israel is simply wrong to kill innocent people, and then try to justify it with racist rhetoric, when the real motivations are still greed and arrogance. Greed and arrogance will always foster violent resistance from the impoverished. It is the same all over the world and throughout history. Killing the impoverished for reacting violently toward greed and arrogance is simply tyranny. It has nothing to do with historic grievances, because the majority of people being killed have only been added to this history by Israel and the IDF, not by their own choosing.

Can anyone explain how violating cease fires and killing muslim babies helps to prevent Jews from being treated as second class citizens in Muslim countries? To me, it would seem to have just the opposite effect.

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
    #6028186 - 09/04/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

rikjoh writes:

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Israel is simply wrong to kill innocent people, and then try to justify it with racist rhetoric, when the real motivations are still greed and arrogance.




Presumably you would also say the Palis are wrong to kill innocent people, no? Because they do, you know.

I am curious as to what you believe Israel's response should be. Sit back and do nothing? Give back Gaza in the hopes the murders will stop? Yeah... that strategy worked out real well, didn't it?




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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
    #6028201 - 09/04/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Killing Muslim babies? And Palestinians don't kill Jewish babies?

You seem to think that Jews have been second class citizens because they killed people.... They were second class citizens LOOOOONG BEFORE Israel started fighting for its life.

Vague claims of Muslims being mean towards Jews? History is vague to you?

"Jewish communities, in Islamic times often (though not always[1]) living in ghettos known as mellah, have existed in Morocco for at least 2,000 years. Intermittent large scale massacres (such as that of 6,000 Jews in Fez in 1033, over 100,000 Jews in Fez and Marrakesh in 1146 and again in Marrakesh in 1232)[4] were accompanied by systematic discrimination through the years.
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

"Jews have lived in Tunisia for at least 2300 years. In the thirteenth century, Jews were expelled from their homes in Kairouan and were ultimately restricted to ghettos known as hara.............Tunisia, as the only Middle Eastern country under direct Nazi control during World War II, was also the site of anti-Semitic activities such as prison camps, deportations, and other persecution."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

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Phred said:
rikjoh writes:

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Israel is simply wrong to kill innocent people, and then try to justify it with racist rhetoric, when the real motivations are still greed and arrogance.




Presumably you would also say the Palis are wrong to kill innocent people, no? Because they do, you know.

I am curious as to what you believe Israel's response should be. Sit back and do nothing? Give back Gaza in the hopes the murders will stop? Yeah... that strategy worked out real well, didn't it?




Phred




Yea, I was all for Gaza and West Bank given back but then they started lunching rockets out of Gaza so I say Israel should take it back when the opportunity arrises.


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

Edited by downforpot (09/04/06 01:28 PM)

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6030041 - 09/04/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Obviously, if you put words in my mouth and make silly assumptions about what I "must" believe, you can justify anything, even murder.

If you guys want to compare baby killings over let's say the last 50 years, I'm afraid you'll find Israelis kill Muslim babies at about 100:1 (at least) compared to the other way around. Just a rough guess.

You are still going back to ancient history to find anything to say. If we want to go back to who did what since 1033, we'll have to give back 100% of the Americas, because we slaughtered and enslaved 100's of millions of native people to get them, and we better give up doing math and science because we never would have come up with it on our own, and clearly we don't want to be culturally indebted to someone who killed 100,000 Jews in 1146. I guess the 100's of thousands of Christians killed by Muslims, and the 100's of thousands of Jews killed by Christians don't matter to you? According to your excuses, all that matters is what some Muslims did 1000 years ago.

You just can't compare what Israel has done to anything the Palistinians or Lebanese have done. It's on a totally different level. If Israel is really only trying to survive, and would really like to live in peace, which I don't believe, they should start by giving the Palestinians a chance to build an independent economy, instead of feeding them scraps and telling them to just accept it. They should stop setting up rules they know only they can win by, and then bombing the crap out of whoever breaks a rule they never accepted in the first place.

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
    #6030260 - 09/05/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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rikjoh said:
If you guys want to compare baby killings over let's say the last 50 years, I'm afraid you'll find Israelis kill Muslim babies at about 100:1 (at least) compared to the other way around. Just a rough guess.





So by that logic if Palestinians killed more Israelis then you would be for the Israelis?

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rikjoh said:
You are still going back to ancient history to find anything to say.



But doesn't history give us insights into what is going on in the present?

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rikjoh said:

If we want to go back to who did what since 1033, we'll have to give back 100% of the Americas, because we slaughtered and enslaved 100's of millions of native people to get them, and we better give up doing math and science because we never would have come up with it on our own, and clearly we don't want to be culturally indebted to someone who killed 100,000 Jews in 1146. I guess the 100's of thousands of Christians killed by Muslims, and the 100's of thousands of Jews killed by Christians don't matter to you?




With that kind of thinking it can all go back to the time when Homo Sapiens began moving out of Africa and different groups being able to settle land and live on it while making sure their groups, tribes, clans, etc. survive.

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rikjoh said:
According to your excuses, all that matters is what so
me Muslims did 1000 years ago.




Actually I talked about Europeans being just as bad towards the Jews, I think I talked about it here..... The difference is that Jews have gained equality in most parts of Europe. But when it comes to Muslim Empires/countries the Jews have always stayed as second class citizens since they were conquered by the Muslims.


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rikjoh said:You just can't compare what Israel has done to anything the Palistinians or Lebanese have done. It's on a totally different level.




Actually you are right. Israel has not done enough to the Muslims and the entire world. If the tables were trully turned then Israel would conquer the whole Middle East, parts of Europe, and then Africa. Then convert most of the populations to Judaism and put the non believers in a lower class and make sure they are segregated and powerless.

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rikjoh said:
If Israel is really only trying to survive, and would really like to live in peace, which I don't believe, they should start by giving the Palestinians a chance to build an independent economy, instead of feeding them scraps and telling them to just accept it.




That is exactly what Jews are trying to do. To survive in a world/region where they have been constantly bullied, massacred, oppressed, and discriminated against for a long long time.



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rikjoh said:
They should stop setting up rules they know only they can win by, and then bombing the crap out of whoever breaks a rule they never accepted in the first place.




Israel is not the only country that does this in the world. A lot of countries set up rules to favour their populations. That is exactly what Americans, Muslims, Romans, Greeks, etc. have done and are doing. Yes, it would be great if everyone loved eachother and peace reigned on Earth but as history has proven this is not the case.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6030298 - 09/05/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
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rikjoh said:
If you guys want to compare baby killings over let's say the last 50 years, I'm afraid you'll find Israelis kill Muslim babies at about 100:1 (at least) compared to the other way around. Just a rough guess.





So by that logic if Palestinians killed more Israelis then you would be for the Israelis?

What difference does that make, it is NOT what is happening. Stop replying with irrelevant questions.

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rikjoh said:
You are still going back to ancient history to find anything to say.



But doesn't history give us insights into what is going on in the present?

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rikjoh said:

If we want to go back to who did what since 1033, we'll have to give back 100% of the Americas, because we slaughtered and enslaved 100's of millions of native people to get them, and we better give up doing math and science because we never would have come up with it on our own, and clearly we don't want to be culturally indebted to someone who killed 100,000 Jews in 1146. I guess the 100's of thousands of Christians killed by Muslims, and the 100's of thousands of Jews killed by Christians don't matter to you?




With that kind of thinking it can all go back to the time when Homo Sapiens began moving out of Africa and different groups being able to settle land and live on it while making sure their groups, tribes, clans, etc. survive.

No, he is saying DON'T go back that far, do you even read other's posts before replying?

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rikjoh said:
According to your excuses, all that matters is what so
me Muslims did 1000 years ago.




Actually I talked about Europeans being just as bad towards the Jews, I think I talked about it here..... The difference is that Jews have gained equality in most parts of Europe. But when it comes to Muslim Empires/countries the Jews have always stayed as second class citizens since they were conquered by the Muslims.

So you've said. They don't like Jews, and with good reason, IMO.


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rikjoh said:You just can't compare what Israel has done to anything the Palistinians or Lebanese have done. It's on a totally different level.




Actually you are right. Israel has not done enough to the Muslims and the entire world. If the tables were trully turned then Israel would conquer the whole Middle East, parts of Europe, and then Africa. Then convert most of the populations to Judaism and put the non believers in a lower class and make sure they are segregated and powerless.

They're working on it.

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rikjoh said:
If Israel is really only trying to survive, and would really like to live in peace, which I don't believe, they should start by giving the Palestinians a chance to build an independent economy, instead of feeding them scraps and telling them to just accept it.




That is exactly what Jews are trying to do. To survive in a world/region where they have been constantly bullied, massacred, oppressed, and discriminated against for a long long time.

Maybe it's time to move then. No, they should stay and bomb their Muslim neighbors to hell. THAT will make Muslims see they were all wrong on the matter.



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rikjoh said:
They should stop setting up rules they know only they can win by, and then bombing the crap out of whoever breaks a rule they never accepted in the first place.




Israel is not the only country that does this in the world. A lot of countries set up rules to favour their populations. That is exactly what Americans, Muslims, Romans, Greeks, etc. have done and are doing. Yes, it would be great if everyone loved eachother and peace reigned on Earth but as history has proven this is not the case.




The Romans are doing that? Really, wow. I don't know any other civilized countries, besides the US and Israel that are destroying whole countries for unjust reasons.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6030368 - 09/05/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:

What difference does that make, it is NOT what is happening. Stop replying with irrelevant questions.




It is not irrelevant because you seem to think that if one side stopped killing then the other side would stop too.



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alpharedecho said: No, he is saying DON'T go back that far, do you even read other's posts before replying?




So we shouldn't use history to explain situations that are happening right now?




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alpharedecho said: So you've said. They don't like Jews, and with good reason, IMO.




Yes, they don't like Jews partially because of what was said in the New Testament and because Jews have always tried to make a homeland for themselves where they are not oppressed. What gives one group of people the right to conquer and make a home for themselves and not others?


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alpharedecho said:

They're working on it.




If you knew your history then you would know that Jews don't really have any precedence in converting large populations to Judaism.



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alpharedecho said:Maybe it's time to move then. No, they should stay and bomb their Muslim neighbors to hell. THAT will make Muslims see they were all wrong on the matter.




So they should submit to Muslim rule and not try to gain indepedence in a region they have lived in way before the Muslims arrived?




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alpharedecho said:

The Romans are doing that? Really, wow. I don't know any other civilized countries, besides the US and Israel that are destroying whole countries for unjust reasons.




I didn't say Romans were doing that, I said they have done that in the past.

So Israel and USA are the first countries to destroy other countries for unjust reasons? Then every empire and every world power has been unjust.

It is not about justice but about survival. So basically it all boils down to people accepting the reality in which we live. Countries, nations, empires, etc. spread their influence, wealth, power, and most of all well-being by conquering others.

Also, the only counties that are threatened by Israel are the one that haven't recognized Israel as a country. You do know that there are Muslim countries that have pretty peaceful relations with Israel because they recognize its existence. That is also what Jews have been fighting for for a LONG LONG time. When Romans conquered them they rebelled, when Muslims conquered them they rebelled again. Now they have finally accomplished their mission in building a nation for themselves.


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Then shot in his head
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Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6032434 - 09/05/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

downforpot said:
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Israel has not done enough to the Muslims and the entire world. If the tables were trully turned then Israel would conquer the whole Middle East, parts of Europe, and then Africa. Then convert most of the populations to Judaism and put the non believers in a lower class and make sure they are segregated and powerless.




If we want to speak historically, Judaism as a social force has never wanted to conquer and convert. Rather, they want to infiltrate and control. Muslims have warrior prophets, Jews have Jewish mothers. Different strategies toward the same basic objectives of world domination.

I wouldn't really care about what went on over there if my tax dollars weren't helping to foot the bill. Israel recieves more US foreign aid than any other country. $3 billion a year, with no accountability and no strings attached. When Israel stops spending MY money to fight ITs feuds, then I'll stop worrying about it. Until then, I have no problem telling anyone how wrong they are to kill innocent people and destroy hope in other countries just because they can't accept playing by the home rules of their adopted region.

If they don't like it and can't act more reasonably, they should leave. I'll vote for swapping them half of Utah for the Palestine, and then trading the Palestine to Syria and Iran in exchange for Iranian vouchers for a few hundred billion barrels of oil. I think we can work out a deal.

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
    #6032462 - 09/05/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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rikjoh said:
If we want to speak historically, Judaism as a social force has never wanted to conquer and convert. Rather, they want to infiltrate and control. Muslims have warrior prophets, Jews have Jewish mothers. Different strategies toward the same basic objectives of world domination.




Now you are talking conspiracy theories.

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rikjoh said:
=I have no problem telling anyone how wrong they are to kill innocent people and destroy hope in other countries just because they can't accept playing by the home rules of their adopted region.




And what exactly are the home rules of their adopted region in which they lived in for thousands of years? Muslims rule?

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rikjoh said:
If they don't like it and can't act more reasonably, they should leave.




So why exactly should Jews leave when they lived there longer than Muslims?


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Can't fuck with me again"

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6033035 - 09/05/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess you'll just have to figure out these mysteries for yourself, mate.

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
    #6033235 - 09/05/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Any1 here know what he is talking about?


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #6033516 - 09/05/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He is talking about the fact that you don't know how to debate. Instead of addressing the points made, you spout off the same nonsense, or just random facts that have nothing to do with the discussion.

You also claim a lot of things as conspiracy theories, which have solid evidence.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6033976 - 09/06/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Forget it. All I can say is I love the picture of those two Jew-girls french-kissing. I'm rarely able to feel so superior, but I feel like I'm being pitched softballs by a rabid little-league reject. Sorry, but how could anyone not pick up on the Jewish mother joke, and then to ignore the whole Utah thing is just to admit complete fear and desperation. On the other hand, I actually think the Utah trade would solve a lot of problems, both economically and culturally.

Oh, see... that was another joke. Sorry. I'm just happy tonight.

Like I said. Forget it. Let's nuke Iran. Who's with me?

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6034087 - 09/06/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
He is talking about the fact that you don't know how to debate. Instead of addressing the points made, you spout off the same nonsense, or just random facts that have nothing to do with the discussion.

You also claim a lot of things as conspiracy theories, which have solid evidence.




This has nothing to do with the original discussion...... You guys ran out of ideas and have resorted to attacks but it's whatever.

As the discussion went on I tried to make valid points which were shrugged off as being irrelevant to the situation at hand. The history of the whole conflict has been basically forgotten.

The conspiracy theories will always be on this board partially due to the "culture" that is present on this board. That however does not make them true. There have been dozens, hundreds of threads about bullshit that people make up when parts of the puzzle are missing and make up bullshit to fit the puzzle.


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
Can't fuck with me again"

Edited by downforpot (09/06/06 01:47 AM)

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