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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
#6011755 - 08/30/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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How did we start this? Jews moved to Israel from all of the surrounding Muslim countries because they got tired of being second class citizens.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6012071 - 08/30/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rove has been planning this since high school.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6012788 - 08/30/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of the early Jewish immigrants were moved in from Europe and especially Russia with the help of the big banking families like the Rothschilds and Warburgs, who spent hundreds of millions of dollars buying up large tracts of land. Everybody got along fairly well until the Jews decided they wanted a Jewish state all for themselves, instead of just buying land and living within the existing governments. Then the more radical of these self-named Zionists became the original Mid-East terrorists, fighting for a Jewish state. That went on until the end of WWII, when Britain and the Allies helped these terrorists become an official government.
After that, Jews from all over started moving in, yes. But that was only after years of terrorism by the earlier Zionists, and was followed by more years of war, especially with Egypt, and continuous oppression of the Palestinian Arabs, who justifiably were unhappy about losing their lands and sovereignty.
For many years, the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) was among the most brutal and ruthless forces in the world. So it's hardly surprising that they continue to kill indiscriminately almost anyone they can target, though with some grudging pretense at trying to spare civilians.
I'm not defending Islamic terrorists, mind you. There are very few good guys over there right now. If Israel could show less greed and more tolerance, they could change things and start leading the way toward relative peace.
Instead, Israel, plus big finance, plus big oil, plus evangelical Christians, they want it all and will go on killing until they get it. They can't even imagine compromising their greed and arrogance in the name of peaceful coexistence. They don't believe in it, and so the killing continues and will go on and on.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
#6012983 - 08/30/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So Jews were never second class citizens in Muslim countries?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6013020 - 08/30/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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All groups have been second class citizens somewhere at some time. Jews had it bad for a long time, but not the worst case in history, not by far.
But you think Jews today are the most abused group in the world and so can justify anything they do to anyone else?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
#6013209 - 08/30/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, that does not justify everything that they do. People got pissed when they took Gaza and West Bank but then Israeli citizens and Sharon decided it would be best to give those areas back. Gaza has been returned and so have parts of the West Bank. Maybe if Sharon didn't fall into a coma then West Bank withdrawl would have been finished.
And who do you mean "anyone else?" The arabs around them that put them into second classes?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6013580 - 08/30/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You consider what Gaza is to be "given back" to the Palestinian people? Is that a joke?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6013806 - 08/30/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No? Gaza and West Bank were captured during the 1967 war . Israel gave back almost all land during that war but kept gaza and west bank. Now Gaza has been given back and so have parts of West Bank. But that doesn't matter because right after Israel withdrew from Gaza militants started using it to fire rockets into Israel.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6014261 - 08/31/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, Gaza has been a sovereign nation since Israel "gave" it back. Israel sill controls their borders, airspace, and territorial waters.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6015230 - 08/31/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So the Palestinian Authority has no control over Gaza whatsoever?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6015293 - 08/31/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID! I SAID IT IS NOT A SOVEREIGN NATION, LIKE IT SHOULD BE!
If America had control of my countries airspace, borders, and territorial waters, among other things, your damn right I would be fighting it.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6015859 - 08/31/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hold it, hold it, hold it. If there is to be any giving back of the Gaza Strip and West Bank it will be to Egypt and Jordan, respectively, not some previously nonexistant group. They were each parts of different nations, which waged a war of annihilation on Israel, lost, and now don't want to have anything to do with either the land or the people. There never was a Palestinian state. Ever. And Jordan and Egypt say, "You won it, you got it."
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: zappaisgod]
#6016048 - 08/31/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gaza might be peaceful even under Israeli control, if Israel didn't treat all Arabs as 2nd class citizens on their own land. But Israel reserves the right to destroy any house, any building, factory, school, bridge or hospital, and kill anyone, whether Arab, UN employee, Journalist, child, or even infant. I know, those infants in Lebanon and Gaza are future terrorists, right? Or no, we should blame Hezbollah for just asking for it soooo much, like my wife does when I have a few too many drinks!
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
#6016387 - 08/31/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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rikjoh said: Gaza might be peaceful even under Israeli control, if Israel didn't treat all Arabs as 2nd class citizens on their own land.
So are israeli arabs treated badly by the Jewish israelies?
So you would rather have the Jews living in muslim countries and be second class citizens instead of the arabs being second class citizens?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6016390 - 08/31/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6016487 - 08/31/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"So are israeli arabs treated badly by the Jewish israelies?
So you would rather have the Jews living in muslim countries and be second class citizens instead of the arabs being second class citizens? "
Answer this.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#6017845 - 09/01/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just did you numb-skull, I would rather have them each get their own state, that way nobody is a second class citizen. You should lay off the drugs buddy.
AKA "How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories."
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6018395 - 09/01/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: I just did you numb-skull.....You should lay off the drugs buddy.
Hey dude, you need to chill down a bit, eh.
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His ban will give him time to chill.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6018980 - 09/01/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: I just did you numb-skull, I would rather have them each get their own state, that way nobody is a second class citizen. You should lay off the drugs buddy.
AKA "How about they each get their own COUNTRIES! Not Territories."
Israel did get their own country... But the Arabs don't like the Jews having freedom in their land. The Arabs have always held Jews as second class citizens and as soon as they started immigrating to Israel they got pissed.
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