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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5982262 - 08/20/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't sidestep my question, was there, or was there not any IDF on Lebanese soil 2000-2006? If so, it was not unprovoked.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982309 - 08/20/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Random firing of rockets into densely populated civilian areais a legitimate response?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982369 - 08/20/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They actually raided that Israeli patrol, sparking the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon. Then the rockets started firing, or so I think. I could be wrong, as I am just going by what I heard in the news.
I will ask one last time, was there, or was there not any IDF on Lebanese soil 2000-2006?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982371 - 08/20/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm sure there were. That does not make their targetting of Israeli civilians any more legitimate, though.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982469 - 08/20/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, it doesn't, but you fight the only way you can, with the only weapons you have. Give them tanks, planes, artillery, etc etc etc like Israel gets from the USA and I'm sure Hezbollah would be more than happy to engage the IDF.
The IDF should stay on their own soil if they don't want to be attacked.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982483 - 08/20/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: Don't sidestep my question, was there, or was there not any IDF on Lebanese soil 2000-2006? If so, it was not unprovoked.
Not to my knowledge. And even if there was, that doesn't justify indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli population centers.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5982499 - 08/20/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No it doesn't, but what else can they do, sit there while Israel violates their sovereignty and then flattens their country?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982517 - 08/20/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hezbollah doesn't represent Lebanon. Lebanon isn't Hezbollah's "turf" nor are Lebanese civilians "Hezbollah civilians". Hezbollah is a group of stateless actors. Israel also fails to see this, which is why collective judgement was placed on Lebanon during this summer's conflict. If Hezbollah has an iola of compassion for the Lebanese, they will cease and desist all hostilities against Israel.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5982525 - 08/20/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you think the Lebanese army should have engaged the IDF who were on their land? Please, if that had happened, I would hate to think what Lebanon would look like now.
I don't support Hezbollah what so ever, but I understand what they are doing, and their purpose.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5982544 - 08/20/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No one should be attacking Israel period. You "understand where Hezbollah is coming from"? What does that mean? Hezbollah is a group of bandits, funded by bandits in power (Syria and Iran). They fire rockets into civilian cities and towns and stage cross border attacks. Its leader Hassan Nasrallah is an admitted Jew-hater who rants more about "Zionism" than Lebanese solidarity. There is no redeeming value in Hezbollah. They're just a bunch of bandits, plain and simple.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982552 - 08/20/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Random firing of rockets into densely populated civilian areais a legitimate response?
If firing rockings indiscrimately into Israel makes Hezbollah a terrorist organization, then bombing an entire country as collective punishment makes Israeli Defense Forces and their directors in government a terrorist organization.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Vvellum]
#5982557 - 08/20/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did I say otherwise?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Redstorm]
#5982560 - 08/20/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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no. just pointing that out
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Vvellum]
#5982581 - 08/20/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess that's why I say I understand Hezbollah, SO MANY people seem to understand Israel. I see them both as terrorist groups also.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5982687 - 08/20/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?
The UN is stupid and ignorant to think that they have a say in anything...
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: GabbaDj]
#5984163 - 08/21/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?
The UN is stupid and ignorant to think that they have a say in anything...
Yep. They basically did the same shit again. Give it a few more years and Israel will try to kick out Hezbollah again.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5984203 - 08/21/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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A few years? I give it a few weeks.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
#5985768 - 08/22/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?
The UN is stupid and ignorant to think that they have a say in anything...
Yep. They basically did the same shit again. Give it a few more years and Israel will try to kick out Hezbollah again.
Yep. Hence why this whole war has been a tragic failure.
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
#5985807 - 08/22/06 03:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Um... I'm not sure what the argument is about. "We" (the UK[including Israel] & US) want the oil and deserve it. "They" (scary people over there who are really just crazy f*ckers) have it and don't deserve anything except death at our pure white hands.
So, what's the problem? We see. We kill. We have. They die, but we don't care. Then Jesus/Mohamed (wait, I'm getting all turned around!) comes and tells us we did good.
So again... what's the problem?? Fight! Take! Die! It's expected of us, unless we actually think about it, which is TOTALY STUPID AND NOT ALLOWED!!!
I mean, please! Our oil companies are barely making historic profits, and are very worried how they will keep their winning streak going when the terrorists keep blowing up the pipelines. The rest of our economy is sinking fast, but that's only because the price of oil is too low. WE NEED TO KILL ARABS AND PERSIANS. It's that simple. They don't get how insecure we feel with them having more oil than us. Plus they are towel-heads.
Jeeze! It's so simple. Doesn't anybody get it?
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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: rikjoh]
#5986850 - 08/22/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rofl, at first I thought you were serious. Unfortunately with the media, we will never get unbiased information. It is almost overwhelming when you really think about it. Who is pulling the strings behind the huge conglomerate corp. who own these news stations? Is there really a zionist movement that is controlling large parts of the world? Is there a possibility that powerful people of jewish descent control some of our countries policies? Unfortunately it seems as if the real truth will be extremely hard to find. Anything that is said about anybody affiliated with anything jewish, if it is even remotely negative, is labeled anti-semitic. There is no doubt there is a large entity that is ready to spring and discredit anyone who speaks out against anything related to israeli wrongdoings and jewish wrongdoings. I myself recognize I must do much more research. It is extremely time consuming and hard to find unbiased info. It's funny, when I come across info, if it is pointing out jewish and israeli wrongdoings, the author is blasted as being a fanatical jew hater. When I try to find explanations for that, I encounter writings by jews stating that people are just jealous of jews successes. Ultimately I aim to find the truth, and would like to see who is in the wrong. I am aware that it is not always as cut and dry as people would like it to be. But I do feel our media, and the "experts" they have commenting on it, have tried to oversimplify the problem, and in some cases try to blame the wrong people.
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