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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5979384 - 08/19/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually it is more about West vs. Islam. Islam used to be on top of the west but now the tables are turned. I donno about you but I want to be on top and I want Islam to be in the shitter.

And there are Canadians fighting for the IDF. Jews just have strong roots with America, Canada, and Australia. So these countries will always support Israel and make sure Islamic countries know their place in the food chain.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #5979424 - 08/19/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's where we disagree. I want the west to be on top, but I certainly don't want Islam in the shitter. Disparety between cultures is a breeding ground for terrorist. If all of the islam worl was living like us, there would be a lot less fenatics.

Of course our way of life doesn't mesh with theirs(womens rights, etc.) but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That is probably why I dislike Israel so much, if they weren't causing so much havoc(with our weapons/money) we would have a lot less problems with the Islamic world. 9/11 is a direct result of our support of Zionism, that is fact, despite what the TV may have told you. With that said, I realize Israel has to "be tough" but they are dragging us down with them.

They are not our concern, and our lives should not be lost, to save theirs. This does not mean I support Hezbollah!


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5980360 - 08/19/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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alpharedecho said:
Disparety between cultures is a breeding ground for terrorist.
Of course our way of life doesn't mesh with theirs(womens rights, etc.) but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That is probably why I dislike Israel so much, if they weren't causing so much havoc(with our weapons/money) we would have a lot less problems with the Islamic world. 9/11 is a direct result of our support of Zionism, that is fact, despite what the TV may have told you. With that said, I realize Israel has to "be tough" but they are dragging us down with them.





I agree with all of that.

BTW Hezbollah is GIVING away roughly $15000 per family. That is more than a years avg salary. The money is supposedly coming from a 500M Iranian grant to Hezbollah.

I also realize that Hezbollah was behind the 84'(i think) military barracks bombing, and i that is total BULLSHIT.

But how much terrorism took part against the British circa 1750-76.
Anyone care to argue against US independence?

Is simple fact is that nothing is black & white.
war sucks
The losers are always the lower class and the winners are always defense contractors.

You cannot defend every action of the IDF or Hezbollah. Both are doing what they think (know) is right. If you lived with Hezbollah as your health & humans service provider, and your neighbors to the south, who are immeasureably stronger than you, start dropping bombs on your neighborhood, lets see you sever ties with your govt/provider.


BTW about the bold part of the quote. Direct link is a little much, but i would say that Osama would not have had such a problem with us being in Saudi Arabia. <-- Perhaps the straw that broke the camels back.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5980518 - 08/20/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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That's where we disagree. I want the west to be on top, but I certainly don't want Islam in the shitter. Disparety between cultures is a breeding ground for terrorist. If all of the islam worl was living like us, there would be a lot less fenatics.

Of course our way of life doesn't mesh with theirs(womens rights, etc.) but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That is probably why I dislike Israel so much, if they weren't causing so much havoc(with our weapons/money) we would have a lot less problems with the Islamic world. 9/11 is a direct result of our support of Zionism, that is fact, despite what the TV may have told you. With that said, I realize Israel has to "be tough" but they are dragging us down with them.

They are not our concern, and our lives should not be lost, to save theirs. This does not mean I support Hezbollah!




Bin Laden got pissed at US after we stationed troops in Saudi Arabia........ You do know that Bin Laden was our ally even after we supported Israel during all the wars?

Israel is just one tiny problem which you think can be fix the whole situation. You are just like the leaders of Rome, Chinese Empires, and the French king who gave vikings gold to stop attacking Europe, give land to stop attacking, etc etc. Well, if you know your history then you know what happens to people that appease their enemies.

I guarentee that even if we let Israelis get butchered the Muslims will still come after us because they didn't give a fuck about us during all the Israeli wars but then they freaked out when we had our troops in Saudi Arabia. Well, it was mostly Osama Cum Faggot who got pissed and then rallied the Muslims who all see him as a hero.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #5980708 - 08/20/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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We know they were Hezbollah and they want Jews dead and you support them. We know Iran and Syria also want the same and they supply them with weapons. So basically you need to move to Iran or Syria.




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downforpot said:
It's not a matter of proving but a matter of logic and common sense.





If it is a matter of logic and common sense, it would be refreshing to actually see some common sense in logic in the first quotation of yours. :lol:

Alpharedecho raised a valid point for discussion. Israel attacked a Hizbullah outpost in Lebanon, claiming that Hizbullah broke the cease-fire by re-arming itself. Well, alpharedecho's entire point is that, unless the claim is substantiated, Israel is the one who broke the cease-fire.

You seem incapable of addressing that point. You assert that alpharedecho is agansit the UN resolution, etc. etc. etc., but yet it is the secretary general of the UN who is concerned that Israel violated the cease fire.

I wonder why he would be concerned... perhaps because Israel has "intelligence" that Hizbullah was gathering more arms, but that they have not provided that intelligence to the UN. Perhaps because they simply acted with hostilities without any sort of consensus on the matter? Probably because they are resorting to the same "eye for an eye" bullshit that has perpetrated the violence in the Middle East for decades?

You have no grounds to assume who it was that violated the cease-fire first, as you have no substantiation that Hizbullah was rearming, beyond that of Israel's claim. We do know that Israel engaged in hostilities. Unless you weren't aware, Israel is a biased participant in the situation. The entire point of a resolution is for a consenus beyond that of those involved in the situation to begin to address the situation in manners beyond that of "he grabbed more guns, so I bomb him". :lol:

So, once again, if it is a matter of logic, and common sense, then when will you begin exhibiting it? The ceasefire was formed by an international consensus because the patterns of behavior that both sides were engaging in were not effectively resolving the situation. They are already immersing themselves in the destructive behavior once again.

No doubt, this is why the UN is concerned that the cease fire is being violated. The fact that you are unable to address this topic that has been proposed for discussion without baseless assertions that alpharedecho is supporting Hizbullah, or that he should be residing in Iran or Syria, or that he is agansit the UN resolution, or that there is a "war of civilizations" going on demonstrates that you have no valid points to present for discussion.

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5980772 - 08/20/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The UN itself is bullshit and the ceasefire is complete bullshit because UN will never disarm Hezbollah and Iran and Syria will gain more power in that region.

I also don't believe anything UN says considering the fact that Koffi Faggot got all pissy when Israel destroyed a UN post but then kept his mouth shut after the email from one of the UN observers surfaced.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #5980835 - 08/20/06 03:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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downforpot said:
The UN itself is bullshit and the ceasefire is complete bullshit because UN will never disarm Hezbollah and Iran and Syria will gain more power in that region.




It is interesting that you would state this opinion, but yet, at the same time, make the following statement to someone else, in the context in which you did. Some amount of consistency should be strived for. :smirk:

Quote:

downforpot said:
Ok, so you are against the UN treaty and think UN is stupid and ignorant?




:rolleyes: :lol:

Quote:


I also don't believe anything UN says considering the fact that Koffi Faggot got all pissy when Israel destroyed a UN post but then kept his mouth shut after the email from one of the UN observers surfaced. 




Regardless of the fact that you refuse to believe anything the UN says for whatever reason you feel appropriate, the fact remains that the notion that Hizbullah was rearming has not been confirmed. It is is greatly possible that they were, but I must note that it is interesting that you would simply accept what Israel claims as absolute truth.

The entire reason the ceasefire was enacted was due to the fact that Israel's response to the situation was not resolving anything. The behavior with which they continue to react with is not effectively solving anything. Even if Hizbullah did violate the ceasfire agreement, Israel's reaction is not appropriate.

After all, Hizbullah is a terrorist organization, and it is to be expected that they are going to continue arming themselves, as the entire point of their organization is to be armed. Israel, however, is an established, sovereign nation, that needs to form a consensus with other soveriegn nations on exactly how to address situations that involve other countries.

Obviously, taking the initiative to bomb the hell out of another country is not going to solve the root problem, and I think the result of this recent waging of war demonstrates this. :shocked: If you wish to disarm a terrorist organization, you remove their support, not contribute to it. :lol:

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5980857 - 08/20/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They didn't even bomb the shit out of Lebanon... They could have killed a thousand civilians a day if they wanted to but they showed restraint.

And yes now Hezbollah has more support since Israel stopped bombing Lebanon. Not to mention 15k given to every family by Hezbollah, all funded by Iran.

And everyone pretty much knows Hezbollah is still being supplied by Syria and Iran. Anyone who thinks that they will follow the resolution is gullible.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: downforpot]
    #5981032 - 08/20/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you fire, but this guy still has not refused to address my point.

Prove their were weapons in that vehicle.

Anyway, I am so sick of the argument that Israel could have killed everyone in the country, and because they didn't, they showed restraint. Tell that to the 1100 dead.

You say hezbollah has more support since Israel stopped bombing Lebanon?? No, their support grew with the very first air strikes and artillery fire on civilian targets.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5981065 - 08/20/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Prove their were weapons in that vehicle.




If it could be proven to your satisfaction there were weapons in the vehicle, would you say Israel had broken the ceasefire agreement?



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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Phred]
    #5981066 - 08/20/06 09:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5981085 - 08/20/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why not?

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5981688 - 08/20/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Because that was part of the deal, and while I don't agree with the terms of it, it should still be followed. Maybe next time there is a UN resolution against Israel, they will abide by it. Probably not though.

I do think Hezbollah has a right to arm themselves, their country keeps getting flattened, but that is just my opinion. They should follow the terms of the cease fire for now, For the sole reason of preventing further slaughter of their people.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5981723 - 08/20/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So you're saying a group of terrorists has the right to arm themselves?


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
    #5981742 - 08/20/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They have a right to defend their country from demolition. Why are they the terrorists when it is Israel who has destroyed a country, left a million homeless and MURDERED 1100 civilians? Oh I know, it's because Israel used conventional armies and bombs, and Hezbollah has to fire shitty rockets from their cities. :rolleyes:

They should make a deal, if Hezbollah has to disarm, Israel should too. :smirk:


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5981763 - 08/20/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not happy with Israel either for what has happened. But Hezbollah is not a recognized entity of Lebanese solidarity, the Lebanese government and military is. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization committed to disrupting security for Israelis.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
    #5981859 - 08/20/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

True enough, but I thought Hezbollah was recognized by Lebanon. I think Hezbollah is committed to protecting the southern regions from Israeli occupation. I believe that is why they were formed.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5981876 - 08/20/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They were formed in the 80's to expel full out Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon. That occupation ended in 2000.


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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Basilides]
    #5981895 - 08/20/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are no IDF in any part of Lebanon? I'm talking before this latest invasion.


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: Israel violates cease fire [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5981901 - 08/20/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ah.. you mean the invasion that was a response to an unprovoked attack by Hezbollah?


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