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salvia the new acid
    #5976134 - 08/18/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

is salvia the new acid of modern times the new mind expanding drug to bring man closer to god in a way. if the goal of life is to understand yourself. then maybe every once and awhile plants come along that bring man closer to god or at least give man a litlte glimpse in the power of god and what god can do .
i see all over the net videos of people doing salvia . it seems to be a new drug fad. think this will change the consciousness of the youth masses all experimenting with this newly rediscovered drug.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: hippi]
    #5976140 - 08/18/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No....
i know alot of people who are 16 etc. who do acid and shit
Salvia is big mainly because it's still legal in most places


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: hippi]
    #5976144 - 08/18/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No it is not. Though certain factors are there. The entire alieness of the experience and the fact that its so hard to integrate make it almost useless. Many more people have bad reactions to Salvia than LSD. My vote is for bromo-dragonfly when it becomes more available.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: hippi]
    #5976148 - 08/18/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

acid just shattered everything to thousands of glistening pieces.... becuase the culture preceeding it had virtually no knowledge or understanding of what psychedelia was, or meant..... and it sort of preceeded the drug war (they must have been mighty scared of us to start the drug war becuase of the hippies..... :frown: )

so in that sense, no way. psychedelics are old news, and they will still be always as profound and strong, and might even work their way back into popular counterculture where it might be a norm to do more than just smoke weed......

but in the other sense, i can certainly see what you mean. salvia is the "new" drug that people will go ahead and try because its legal, and the thing striking about it is the similarity between experiences that people get.

Can it bring us to GOD? I don't know, it's a violent and shocking way of getting there, and I'd prefer something more yin and gentle myself......

i do like the notion of new plants or substances working their way into the mainstream in order to heal though. they can't outlaw them all as long as we keep finding new ones!

i'm wondernig if we will see reintegration into psychedelic culture, since though it was so heavily suppressed, the still legal facets of it have still left a strong impact upon us, and we have a large resurgence of interest in yoga and such it seems....... and certainly psychedelia goes hand in hand with anti-war, and now is an anti-war time.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: leery11]
    #5976190 - 08/18/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

A salvia experience no matter how intense can not have the impact of a massive LSD dose. LSD also has an impact that can last for many years. It's transformative powers are also well known. Salvia is too short lived to measure up.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: hippi]
    #5976297 - 08/18/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: Gomp]
    #5976732 - 08/18/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

salvia has never done it for me. I have tried to enjoy and like it, but in the end it isnt worth it.
I always here stories of people who go into these trances, but no matter how much I smoke, it will never do anything other than distort my vision much like a fish-eye lens.

Always, i tell this to people who are hard-core salvia advocates and they say "well did you try the 10x extract? with a torch lighter? in a water bong?" ... yes, you arent the only ones who read up on it. It tastes bad, it makes you sweat, it only lasts 10 minutes at best and makes you nauseous.

salvia is teh poo. Congrats to anyone who finds merit or usefulness in it, but I have given up on it.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: passitbobbie]
    #5977951 - 08/19/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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The entire alieness of the experience and the fact that its so hard to integrate make it almost useless.




I couldn't disagree more. Whats so hard to integrate? Compared to what?


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: passitbobbie]
    #5977977 - 08/19/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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No it is not.  Though certain factors are there.  The entire alieness of the experience and the fact that its so hard to integrate make it almost useless.  Many more people have bad reactions to Salvia than LSD.  My vote is for bromo-dragonfly when it becomes more available.


I would humbly disagree with your characterization of the salvia experience as "almost useless", although I agree that the experiences can be difficult or impossible to integrate if approached without knowledge and intent.  Salvia does not really have the potential to radically alter one's worldview after one or two uses like LSD--it will certainly not be the counter-cultural catalyst that LSD was a few generations ago.  The salvia experience is something that needs to be actively harnessed (not in the sense of being tamed, an impossible proposition because of the herb's sheer power, but of being ridden with an active and open mind) in order to reap its benefits, something which to my mind only experienced psychedelic users are capable of doing.  Once harnessed, though, the experiences certainly can be integrated--I use salvia to heal negative energies in my body, to practice stretching and deep breathing exercises, and to remind myself occassionally of my status as a tiny filament in the kaleidoscope of waking dreamers on this planet. 

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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: DuppyConqueror]
    #5978419 - 08/19/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

lsd is very cool same as psilocybin but more transportable.
salvia is very brief which makes it special.
many who don't like it never found a gentle enough dose,
some never got any effect.
funny that it has that lottery aspect.
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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5979155 - 08/19/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Blotter Salvia
by The_Stalker
Many of you have asked for a clear step by step process on how I made this. This is simply a method of preparation so that you get all the benefit of salvia without need for a bong or tasting horrible smoke. This method is nearly tasteless, and produces a smooth trip.

You need:

* 5 grams Salvia Divinorum dry unextracted
* 100 ml of solvent (more on solvent choice below)
* 900ml water
* Jar or 1 liter flask
* Bowl
* Funnel
* Coffee grinder or Mortar and Pestle
* Filter Paper or Coffee Filter
* Tea strainer or fine mesh sieve

1. Powder 5grams of dry Salvia Divinorum leaves. A coffee grinder will work if it is the type with a small bowl and a spinning blade. A mortar and pestle is best though.
2. In the jar or flask, combine powdered Salvia with solvent. (A note on solvents; any polar solvent will work but for this extraction an alcohol is best, either 151 proof Everclear or 70% Isopropyl Alcohol [rubbing alcohol].)
3. Let this mixture sit for 10 hours.
4. Add your water to the flask or jar. Adding water to the alcohol lowers the solubility of the active ingredient Salivorin A to the point that it will fall out or ?precipitate?. This will make your 1-liter solution look slightly cloudy; it is the clouds that you want. Let sit for 5 minutes.
5. Set up your funnel with filter paper over the bowl. Get your tea strainer above the funnel.
6. Pour the solution from the flask, through the strainer and filter into the bowl. Do it slowly, don?t let the liquid get more than half way up the paper.
7. Wash out your flask or jar with more water to get any residue on the bottom, again pour it through the filters.
8. Discard the liquid and save the paper. You should notice a nice round area on your paper that looks slightly green or yellow.
9. Dry your paper in an oven; 2 minutes on 300 degrees work fine. It will now look as though you have crystals on your paper and indeed you do.
10. Cut this circular green are into five equal pieces, each one is good for a nice oral trip or maybe two smoked.

To use simply take one of your strip and place it under your tongue, in about fifteen minutes, you will begin to feel the effects. A strip may also be smoked for more immediate effects. The advantages of this method are that there is no harsh smoke, and no bitter taste.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: Icelander]
    #5979294 - 08/19/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

1) find a reliable source that sells mushrooms or LSD
2) buy it.
3) eat them. enjoy

repeat steps 2-3 as often as needed.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: hippi]
    #5979331 - 08/19/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

My first Salvia trip a few years ago:

I'd been wanting to dance with Lady Salvia for a long time and things finally came together this week. A close friend and frequent rolling/tripping buddy had some 5X which he'd given me about a month before. I was saving it until we could try it together and the opportunity was finally here. He'd done it before and offered to baby-sit me on my first trip which I was grateful for.

We were in my living room. Based on my usual lively physical reaction to nitrous oxide, we decided to move some of the furniture and put away the breakables. It was mid-morning on a sunny day. The curtains were open, and I could see the sky from my sitting position on the floor. I prepared myself as much as one can for this kind of thing, then I loaded the bong. My sitter helped me hold the bong as I put the flame to it and began inhaling.

The first thing I noticed was that the taste was different then weed; not better or worse, but definitely different' sharper. I inhaled as much as I could, then put the bong down on the floor. My sitter looked at me; the question in his mind obvious on his face: 'Do you feel it yet''. I held my hand up and rocked it to indicate that I felt something but not much yet. About 20 seconds passed; this is about the time it takes blood to return along the pulmonary vain to the heart, exit the aorta, and reach the brain and I thought I should be feeling something by that time. I looked around the room and noticed that things began to have a distinct edge. It looked like a picture in PhotoShop to which the Edge effect was added. The edges of objects drew my attention more than the centers. I also felt as if I was floating on a rubber raft on a carpet of water and waves were propagating under me. The period of the waves was about a half second and I thought, 'Hmm' delta brainwaves.' Delta waves are normally associated with deep, dreamless, non-REM sleep. I don't know if there was a relation there, but it was interesting to consider.

I noticed that the carefully-selected trippy music I had playing sounded flat and boring as if the bass and treble controls had been set all the way down. The volume seemed to have dropped significantly also. I made a mental note of how irrelevant the music seemed to have become, and continued to hold my breath.

I finally exhaled and pointed at the bong; my sitter quickly reloaded. This time, heeding his warning that I might drop it, I left the bong on the floor as I took my second hit. I drew in as much as I could then held it for about 20 seconds. I exhaled fully, then took in one last big draw as the effect began to intensify. I started intentionally rocking (or at least I thought I did) at the same rate as the waves that were passing by underneath me. It's a meditation technique called Brainwave Entrainment which I've used before. The idea is to intentionally emphasize certain brainwaves by using external stimuli or body or thought rhythms at the rate of the target brainwave. I don't know if it made any difference, but the wave effect definitely continued to intensify.

As I sat there feeling the waves they began to become visible in the carpet, walls, and furniture. Then, the character of the waves changed from gentle, smooth, and rolling to abrupt with a steep attack and decay.

The waves began to separate into individual creatures each sticking out of things, then receding back in unison. They were everywhere; the walls, furniture, floor. The ones on the floor kept trying to poke their head out but I was sitting on them and as they pushed, I could feel them distinctly pushing against my butt and legs. The pushing got stronger, and I almost fell over and had to hold onto the couch next to me. This effect is called Salvia Gravity.

Next, the creatures pushed completely out of things and stood like tall insects' like those brown walking-sticks you see on bushes sometimes. They didn't seem threatening and they didn't communicate with me. It was more like they were there all my life minding their own business and I just happened to notice them for the first time. I watched fascinated as the holes they wiggled out of began to grow in the same fashion that a crack spreads through glass. The cracks continued to spread from hundreds of holes where the walking-sticks came out of. Then, as one crack met another, they joined and that part of reality fell away leaving nothing in its place. It was like what existed before the Big Bang. Not emptiness' that's something. What was left in those holes was beyond emptiness. It was non-existence. There was no time, no space, no constructs of mathematics' nothing. It was very strange.

I felt something on my lower lip and realized I was drooling. This brought me back to reality somewhat, and I wiped my chin, then stood and walked to the kitchen for a paper towel. The spit in my mouth felt like it had congealed into something with the consistency of chewing gum. I spit it out in the sink and rinsed my mouth out, then walked back to where my sitter was.

Things were starting to return to normal by this time. The stick-creatures were gone and there was only the wave effect left. I took a few deep breaths and smiled at my sitter who said something like 'see what I mean' it's not the kind of thing you'd want to do all the time.' He was right.

As the effect continued to ebb, I noticed that the trip somehow had a familiar quality to it. It felt like I'd tripped on Salvia as a child. I know this to be untrue, but I couldn't shake the intense feeling of familiarity. It also seemed like, when I'd seemingly tripped on Salvia as a child, it was in a forest with aboriginal or South American natives. Some may suggest a prior life' I don't believe in that sort of thing' but'

After a few more minutes, most of the effect had gone and I was left with a very weird trip to think about. All told, I'm glad for the experience which while almost unbearably intense, and not exactly fun, was intriguing. I'm looking forward to my next dance.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: Icelander]
    #5979447 - 08/19/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Blotter Salvia
by The_Stalker
To use simply take one of your strip and place it under your tongue, in about fifteen minutes, you will begin to feel the effects. A strip may also be smoked for more immediate effects. The advantages of this method are that there is no harsh smoke, and no bitter taste.




why post this?
it does not work well at all.
it confuses the lsd sublingual vehicle (magnificent) with salvinorin's buccal potential (very poor).
the paper would have to be chewed for sure, and most people would need double the total amount (10 gms) to feel anything from chewing.

I remember this guy coming up with the idea and it didn't work then either.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5980930 - 08/20/06 05:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

no bitter taste my ass... lol.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: leery11]
    #5980997 - 08/20/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The utter, full on belief that I am finally, aware of and being, my self, at the same very moment of appreciation for however i came to be loved and this loves me for this purpose, this exact moment! ...has been something of sid here.
With salvia, personally, so far, I've just hated it. Something seems very wrong, and certainly not real. My experience went quickly, something like this.
'I thought anything, and immediately afterwards I was questioning who had the thought, and then, "who asked that!?" For eg. I looked at my hand and then thought "who's hand is that?", and then, "who is asking this question?!" and then, "who just said that?!"
It was *SO* weird, but not 'good weird. Like something was really f***ing w/ my head in a real chemical sense, or not in the sense releasing of natural chemicals to a new experiences of reality, sense, but as in foreign influences masking natural ones to confusion, or, non-sense.
SUMMERY
I didn't get closer to where or who I really am, rather it worked like hell to provoke me further away.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5981079 - 08/20/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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Blotter Salvia
by The_Stalker
To use simply take one of your strip and place it under your tongue, in about fifteen minutes, you will begin to feel the effects. A strip may also be smoked for more immediate effects. The advantages of this method are that there is no harsh smoke, and no bitter taste.




why post this?
it does not work well at all.
it confuses the lsd sublingual vehicle (magnificent) with salvinorin's buccal potential (very poor).
the paper would have to be chewed for sure, and most people would need double the total amount (10 gms) to feel anything from chewing.

I remember this guy coming up with the idea and it didn't work then either.




I posted it because someone sent it to me and I'm trying it out. I thought others might like to try it also. I'll let everyone know how it works out.


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: Icelander]
    #5981160 - 08/20/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

keep us posted


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5981971 - 08/20/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know if I tried salvia but I tried this stuff from Hawaii that sound similar to it, its black, and its more like tobacco than say pot, but you take two strong pulls and you lose your equilibrium, and your visual folds, in which the top portion folds to the lower, I was high for about 6 minutes in which I couldn't stand, also it is nauseating, but I hear that if you get into it more you can see aliens and shit, but to me, it seems to be an inferior hallucinogen when compared to acid, thats probably why its legal


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Re: salvia the new acid [Re: Diploid]
    #5982930 - 08/21/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

good god.  Great report man! :smile:


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