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does anyone feel 'further along' than most people?
    #5975275 - 08/18/06 06:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ive always had this intuition/mindset (not by choice) for some time. its changes and comes in different forms like a rising tide, but its always there.
i know other people feel it too.. but i didnt know to what extent.

yesterday i was at a party and somehow the subject was brought up. me and these 2 girls started talking and suddenly we all started saying the same things.. and we knew what we eachother was talking about.

one girl said "shit.. the fact that were having this conversation is just crazy.. i thought it was just me."

it was cool then because we each started talking about our own pieces that we discovered in our individual minds, and it helped to create a little bit larger picture.

im wondering if anyone else has the feeling (im going to describe it in a sec).
-what do you think about it?
-what do you think it's from?
-is there a name for this sort of thing..?  im sure someone somewhere called it something, and its EXACTLY what i'm talking about.
-how many people do you think feel this way..?

ok now the mind structure/thoughts. ill speak from my perspective. btw, i dont think i gained this from tripping, i think the other way is true. it seems people with this 'insight' often like tripping wayy more than other people. who knows though, it could be from tripping.

bascially the thoughts within my head, my actual cognitive connections/feelings, internally are pretty introspective. and its funny because the entire it.. the thing within, is a paradox. its a paradox i guess because the second you try and think about it it nullifies. its almost like i feel 'further along' in the path. im quite introspective, and _it feels like im always conscious of my actions_.
pretend that the next human evolutionary step is soon.. it would feel like im almost one of those offshoots.

i like everyday media MTV type stuff.. but sometimes i just cant get into it. its like it's 'below' me. i mean i DO enjoy it, and i dont mean below as in a worse way.. just farther behind on the path then where i am.. does this make sense?
and other times i think im going crazy, but then i remind myself that its ok.. and obviously im not. plus people who go crazy dont know it.

im in college though so i dont usually think about 'it'. i learned that the answer is being here now, and then the paradox doesn't exist :wink: i love to go out and hang with everyone, it isn't as if it rules me.
it was just so crazy meeting someone who also 'knew.'


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975286 - 08/18/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

2 more things.

-im sure everyone feels this way.. but some choose to talk about it/thinkg about it more/ignore it. what do you think?
if thats the case.. then that means the people who it seems are 'further behind' are actually farther ahead because they can easily deal with it and act in 'this world' with out it appearing like theyre conscious of it.

-it actually helped yesterday. she said 'i feel like im awlays conscious of my actions.' i realized that this describes how i feel a lot of the time perfectly, and it sucks. im always worried other people can tell.. but it helped seeing HER say that, and seeing HER vibe and realizing it doesnt look like that at all.


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975290 - 08/18/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i just realized that the simple fact that i think im 'further along' could very well mean im actually way behind.. :undecided:


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975296 - 08/18/06 07:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Now you got it. Don't let the fact that there exists a beginning and end signify that life is a race...it most surely is not.

You who choose to lead, must follow.


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Edited by NewAgeDiciple (08/18/06 07:29 AM)


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975297 - 08/18/06 07:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I know exactly what you mean, and have had the same "am I further along" thoughts at these before.

Maybe you feeling "way behind" instead of "further along" is a low point in the rising tide you spoke of? Or maybe its natures way of forcing you back on path because we shouldn't be "futher along."

Plenty of ways to take this, haha. I like it.


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975303 - 08/18/06 07:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Could you describe this feeling any better?


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: hobbitxkillyou]
    #5975304 - 08/18/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

pretend that the next human evolutionary step is soon.. it would feel like im almost one of those offshoots.

i hear you on this

I definately feel the same way that you are describing
There is definately a change occuring and I can feel it


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: NewAgeDiciple]
    #5975307 - 08/18/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

from this corner I must see things in a different way than that person in that corner.

vantage points, each have something different to offer. we are each in a different place like plants in a garden.

What this thread does highlight is the lowest common denominator that we may suffer which is dualistical thinking and one dimensional value judments in the face of all this natural multiplicity.

maybe we forget
multiplicity does not need to be solved or evaluated.

it is like being in an amazing garden: this much more liberating than the burden of dualistic thinking and one dimensional evaluations

(further along, suggests a linear approach and a single path nature, but a line is a one dimensional construct, the garden is at least 3 dimensional, so unless you are a worm (too), being further along in any particular single direction is just deeper into a tunnel of poop).


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5975311 - 08/18/06 07:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What this thread does highlight is the lowest common denominator that we may suffer which is dualistical thinking and one dimensional value judments in the face of all this natural multiplicity.





What do you mean by "dualistic thinking"? You mean the tendency of people to view things in black-or-white terms?


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5975312 - 08/18/06 07:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Could you describe this feeling any better?




you would know it if you felt it. i can try though..

its pretty much paradoxical. it just IS.. um, its hard to describe. if youve ever encountered paradoxes in your introspection, i assume this is the one. its hard to miss lol.
the second you think about it it automatically places a judgment which taints it. i dunno, whatever :o


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5975313 - 08/18/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Land_Crab said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
What this thread does highlight is the lowest common denominator that we may suffer which is dualistical thinking and one dimensional value judments in the face of all this natural multiplicity.





What do you mean by "dualistic thinking"? You mean the tendency of people to view things in black-or-white terms?




the funny thing is ive known its dualistic, but then fuck all thats just more of the paradox. i cant describe how its dualistic either.. but i can feel it.


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975317 - 08/18/06 07:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, for me, the more perspectives one has, the further along some one is.

Thats a real simple way of putting it but, I feel, not in some paternalistic way, but in a gracious and appreciative way that I am "further along" than many of my friends.


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5975319 - 08/18/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ok i was typing a resonse but my battery died and i lost it..

i said i think i somewhat figured out why its dualistical. because the mind can only percieve, think of things as is or isn't. not in a conscious way, but in the very way the mind works.. and the thing youre trying to think about can't be brought down into these terms, so the very act of thinking about it makes it void.


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5975321 - 08/18/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea, for me, the more perspectives one has, the further along some one is.

Thats a real simple way of putting it but, I feel, not in some paternalistic way, but in a gracious and appreciative way that I am "further along" than many of my friends.




this seems like a good point


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975432 - 08/18/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. That's a very good point.

It's fun to try and quantify abstract concepts, isn't it?


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' - do you you mean a head or their behind? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5975479 - 08/18/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

redgreenvines said:
What this thread does highlight is the lowest common denominator that we may suffer which is dualistical thinking and one dimensional value judments in the face of all this natural multiplicity.





What do you mean by "dualistic thinking"? You mean the tendency of people to view things in black-or-white terms?




more or less advanced,
this is linear
if any direction is chosen
a position can be measured along that line
so one may be further ahead or behind,
ergo a one dimensional domain.

rather than black or white, it is behind or ahead
and that is a fundamentally dualistic evaluation.


and if it is true in any way
it is only true in that way
every other direction has to be evaluated separately

it would be an endless task
not very fullfilling either.

one is very likely to lose purchase (status, or relative position of ahead or behind) along one's particularly advanced directions while
chasing other ones....


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975524 - 08/18/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I believe the feeling of 'being further along' is shared by nearly everyone I meet. Whether they actually are or not is subjective, but don't let a lack of communication fool you into thinking that others don't possess these feelings.

I believe it's a generational trait, and is caused by comparing ourselves to our parents and older generations. We are generation Y, the Echo Boomers. Our parents grew up in the 60s where sexism, racism and ignorance were everywhere and affected everyone. Generation X was tainted with despair and apathy. Products of broken homes and threatened with nuclear holocausts, the future they perceived was bleak and uninviting. We're the first generation to really recover from the great wars of the 20th century, and we've been given a pretty easy ride so far.

We see all the faults our parents have made – working too much, no sense of fun, broken marriages etc. – but we’ve also had the chance to see what happens when things swing the opposite way with generation X – still being single at 30, stuck in shitty jobs because they didn’t care about they’re education, going no where. The general formula for life has become much more balanced and dynamic with our generation, and we’ve been instilled with universal morals that we often take for granted.

Maybe you really are further along then everyone else, but besides inflating your ego, what does that label achieve? If anything it’s going to have a negative effect. People are going to perceive you as arrogant, and because you ‘think’ you know best, you’re not going to pick up on other’s good ideas. IMO, you're wasting thought cycles that could be better spent elsewhere.


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975557 - 08/18/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it could be more highly evolved intelligence...

or it could be simply that you always tend to question things before accepting them at face value... therefore you haven't been hung up on as many 'cheap' things in life as others

I often feel the same way... in no way not 'better' than someone else, but further along... tripping has definitely caused a lot of it though.


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: kake]
    #5975866 - 08/18/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i should clarify that i dont htink im better. this isnt inflating my ego. in fact, i feel joy when im able to put it behind me and just BE and realize we are all the same


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Re: does anyone feel 'further along' than most people? [Re: Limelight]
    #5975902 - 08/18/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I also have this same sense, and almost feel egotistical or conceited for having it. Its not that I think I'm better or smarted, just wiser?? I don't know how to explain it.

I certainly notice that my friends who are open to shrooms are often more likewise in the sense. Many people I know who totally hate shrooms and their high, have a very narrow perspective of the world. This isn't true for all cases, I know many jerks who take them just because they alter their mind state. They don't care where the alteration takes them, as long as its away from sober.

I am working on picking up an OZ tonight, but I have to drive a good 45 minutes to get it. Oh well, it will be well worth it! :smile:


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