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OfflineRRRR
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In The Desert...
    #5974997 - 08/18/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You see I've been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can't remember your name
'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain

America - A Horse with No Name

Sure, the song might be about smack, but let's put that aside for a moment.

How much of who we are is fabricated only to identify ourselves with others. In total solitude, how many layers of our essence would begin to peel away?

"In the desert you can't remember your name 'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain"

We are given so many facades of identity. When asked, "Who are you?", or "Who is he?" We respond with answers such as "doctor" or "teacher" or "engineer". We are no longer be-ers, but rather do-ers.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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OfflineGrok
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Re: In The Desert... [Re: RRRR]
    #5975950 - 08/18/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, its so true. Its funny how people identify themselves. Especially white people...they will never identify themselves as white, yet most other minorities will identify with that minority immediatly.

I find the question "Who is ____?" absurd. I mean how do you answer who someone is!? Shit I don't think very many people even know who they are themselves. Like you say, they are just a mixture of the egos they surround themselves with.

This is why I find it great to be in solitude. And why I want to go wander around the desert with a grip of mescaline this winter. See if I can forget my name.

BTW that song is awesome.


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: RRRR]
    #5975992 - 08/18/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That song is about smack!? Man!

I journeyed through the desert a year or two ago and listened to that song a few times. I loved it, never once thought it had anything to do with drugs. :doh:


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Offlineleery11
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Re: In The Desert... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5976120 - 08/18/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it's weird to think of yourself as white actually. then your skin starts to look "different" even though it's on you.

but anyway.

if someone asks "who are you" you should say "You." and get right to the point of dissolving the barriers of separation, which aren't real, between "individuals"

So man, who are you.... what do you do?
Well... I'm you. And I do the same kind of stuff you do.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: RRRR]
    #5977280 - 08/18/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The band always said that the song was literal. No drug reference intended. I never saw the drug reference myself either....just the cultural mythology of druggies wanting to see drug references everywhere.


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5977396 - 08/18/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Every time I think I know who I am, I glimpse something a little deeper, a fleeting, ethereal vision, that rends open the fragile fabric of self-identity. 

I know who I am.  I just need a little reminder once in awhile... :tongue:


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5977741 - 08/19/06 01:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
The band always said that the song was literal. No drug reference intended. I never saw the drug reference myself either....just the cultural mythology of druggies wanting to see drug references everywhere.




Heh, I never interpreted it as a drug song either. I just recall a big fuss about back when it was first released, it was even banned from locales due to drug imposed interpretations. I know the band came out and said it has nothing to do with drugs, and in fact referenced Bunnell's childhood at Vandenberg Air Force Base.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: Grok]
    #5977743 - 08/19/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Even gender only arises out of the nature of duality, the Fall.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: RRRR]
    #5978159 - 08/19/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm yeah.  This only is.

This is not a something, this is an is.  I am an am :smile:


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: RRRR]
    #5978168 - 08/19/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Are you referring to gender role definition/enactment, or to physical sexual characteristics?

By "The Fall," do you mean the myth of Adam & Eve tasting the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge? Weren't they already gendered, both physically and socially?

I am interested in an elaboration on your statement.


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: Veritas]
    #5978276 - 08/19/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Are you referring to gender role definition/enactment, or to physical sexual characteristics?

By "The Fall," do you mean the myth of Adam & Eve tasting the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge? Weren't they already gendered, both physically and socially?

I am interested in an elaboration on your statement.




At first, Adam and Eve existed in a mythological dream-time zone where time did not exist and they had no awareness of difference between each other. They were just two beings. When they eat the apple, they obtain knowledge of opposites. They soon discover they are different and cover up themselves in shame. Prior to that, they had no idea that they were in opposition, male and female. Another opposition human/God. And another, Good/Evil. And so they have banished themselves from the Garden of Eden into some timeless unity just by the recognition of duality.

The Fall is nothing more than a myth depicting mans recognition of duality, and his imprisonment by such realization afterwards.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: RRRR]
    #5978283 - 08/19/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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RRRR said:

At first, Adam and Eve existed in a mythological dream-time zone where time did not exist and they had no awareness of difference between each other. They were just two beings. When they eat the apple, they obtain knowledge of opposites. They soon discover they are different and cover up themselves in shame. Prior to that, they had no idea that they were in opposition, male and female. Another opposition human/God. And another, Good/Evil. And so they have banished themselves from the Garden of Eden into some timeless unity just by the recognition of duality.

The Fall is nothing more than a myth depicting mans recognition of duality, and his imprisonment by such realization afterwards.




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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: RRRR]
    #5981108 - 08/20/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think that humans have recognized duality/opposition, or that we have invented this distinction?

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We are given so many facades of identity. When asked, "Who are you?", or "Who is he?" We respond with answers such as "doctor" or "teacher" or "engineer". We are no longer be-ers, but rather do-ers.




Isn't the behavior of male/female something which we do? Beyond basic reproductive functions, and the hormonal and physical differences which make those functions possible, the qualities which humans have defined as opposite are not intrinsic to XX/XY, but imbedded in our socialization.

I have chosen, despite social censure, to define myself first as human, and second as female. Is female (beyond my physical characteristics) something I AM, or something I DO?


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: Veritas]
    #5981995 - 08/20/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Male/female roles is both genetic and socialization, in general females take on weaker physically demanding jobs, because genetically their generally weaker physically, so these cog jobs also mold the soialization process, because male and female inherit different roles in society based on different attributes,


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Re: In The Desert... [Re: capliberty]
    #5982624 - 08/20/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Hmm yeah. This only is.

This is not a something, this is an is. I am an am"
--thatiAM

Truer words are seldom spoken.

"i stayed at home for several weeks and i changed completely simply because i stopped socializing and the layers did peel away."
--soulcircus

I'm kinda in the process of doing that right now, growing m'self a bit of a beard while I'm at it.  I've only got two weeks but it's complete isolation at my parents' house, rurally located.  My only exposure to other human beings will be a trip in to pick up milk & sundries and return a movie, and today was a trip in to acquire  :stash:    I do have three dogs to look after, though, so I can't go completely batshit crazy.  Gotta feed 'em, give old Zippy her meds and such.  But peeling away all the layers of socialization and being just being, as animal is doesn't impede such activites as romping through the woods with the dogs or getting embarassingly stoned trampolining with a minidisc (just found it, lost in a box for months shortly after having bought it) with the sumacs and the clouds and ahh...

Life is so magnificent sometimes, it makes you woozy. :weirdeyes:


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