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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineBrilliantWhite
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Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven!
    #5974870 - 08/18/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Come mothers and fathers throughout the land, and don't criticize what you can't understand. Your sons and daughters are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly aging, please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changin"
-Bob Dylan


George Carlin is God. Not A god. Not some amazing person. God. Thee one and only higher power. Am I serious? ...why not? Is it so hard to believe? Most the world have their religion because people tell them it's the truth. Well I'm a person, and I'm telling you George Carlin, the philosopher-comic is the almighty. My opinion is just as valid. This source, just as credible as any other. Find something to prove me wrong.
In all seriousness, I don't think it's fair forcing your beliefs on a child. It is a parent's duty to raise a child to be able to function well in society and to make the child the best person he/she can be. If the parent can give the child an education, enough to thrive in society, they have surely done all they can.
Encouragement, Discipline, Freedom, Love.
Things a child needs.
After that, who's to say? Noone KNOWS the meaning of life. We all guess or ask someone else. But noone really knows. That's always bothered me.
Christianity. At the roots, it seems like a great idea. Jesus seems like a wonderful guy. I've heard alot of stories about him. I've also heard alot of good things about Bill Brasky and Chuck Norris. I'm not saying he wasn't an amazing person, but the son of god? god? both? Ehh, I don't know. Could be, anything's possible afterall. I'm just saying, I have yet to see proof.
My problem with the Christian Bible is it was written AND interpretted by man. MAN, mistake-prone, generally ignorant, people wrote the book from which some base their whole lives off.
Also, bending the rules of your religion to make it more convenient for you. If you've ever wondered why there are so many branches to Christianity, it's because it's not always convenient, but offers many perks and benefits. Keep what you like, break what you don't. Why isn't THAT in the Bible?
Why am I picking on the Christians? I'm sure I could've picked about any religion; Questioning and cross-examining their beliefs and customs. Christianity is simply what I'm around the most and what I know the most about. It's also relevant to me, Christianity is to blame for quite a few deaths in history and even today. Again, not saying other religions are better because I don't know. I'm saying I do know a bit about Christians. Take a look at Muslims, saying it's ok to kill. Look at the Aztecs, participating in human sacrifice. I am not picking on Christianity.
Hey, I like Christmas!

People should think for themselves. If you KNOW there is a higher power than you know there's a higher power. It exists to you and that's all that matters. Never force your beliefs on someone else. Every person needs to feel what's right, in their heart.
You don't have to believe what others tell you to believe!!!
Think for yourself!!! Question authority!!!

With that said, let me give you a scenario. Not neccessarily my views or opinions, just a scenario.
Could it be possible we all just, simply are? No meaning or real purpose. We just are. Everything is part of this one great electron. Floating, pulsating. Everything on earth and in the universe makes up this one great being. And it just is. No good or bad. No right or wrong. Everyone and everything just is and does. We are all God.


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: BrilliantWhite]
    #5974900 - 08/18/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Who cares? We still have to live and whatnot.


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: MOTH]
    #5974947 - 08/18/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

um yeah? are you saying you dont like living or soemthing?

i made many points in this essay, what exactly is your arguement?

and dude, you don't have to live if you dont have a reason to be alive. ie.responsibilities to attend


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: BrilliantWhite]
    #5974985 - 08/18/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, bending the rules of your religion to make it more convenient for you. If you've ever wondered why there are so many branches to Christianity, it's because it's not always convenient, but offers many perks and benefits. Keep what you like, break what you don't. Why isn't THAT in the Bible?



You realize there are almost infinitely more branches and flavors of secular philosophy than there is of Christian theology, right?


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: BrilliantWhite]
    #5974999 - 08/18/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There's never a moment while you're alive that you don't have responsibilities to attend to.


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: BrilliantWhite]
    #5975004 - 08/18/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No, I love living 60% of the time.


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: MOTH]
    #5975007 - 08/18/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Why only 60%?

I mean, 30% of the time you are sleeping, that doesn't leave much loving life time.


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: RRRR]
    #5975018 - 08/18/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, you don't know me and my progress, so I don't blame you for making that response.

The truth is, it's only in the last three years or so that it's gotten up to 60%.

It used to be 0.

I've made a lot of distance since then, but I still have a long ways to go.


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: MOTH]
    #5975021 - 08/18/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

An increase is always a good thing, may that 60% some day hit 100%! :heart:


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Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: RRRR]
    #5975024 - 08/18/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's definately the plan!  :smile: :thumbup: :heart: :crazy2:


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: BrilliantWhite]
    #5975046 - 08/18/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck, I was expecting a Godspeed You! Black Emperor topic


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #5975138 - 08/18/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yay, for being alive!!

sorry for no godspeed


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: RRRR]
    #5975143 - 08/18/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, bending the rules of your religion to make it more convenient for you. If you've ever wondered why there are so many branches to Christianity, it's because it's not always convenient, but offers many perks and benefits. Keep what you like, break what you don't. Why isn't THAT in the Bible?



You realize there are almost infinitely more branches and flavors of secular philosophy than there is of Christian theology, right?




Are you serious? of course there is, but there are no borders on secular philosophy. It's all ideas.


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listen to Portugal. The man

www.myspace.com/portugaltheman


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: BrilliantWhite]
    #5975705 - 08/18/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, bending the rules of your religion to make it more convenient for you. If you've ever wondered why there are so many branches to Christianity, it's because it's not always convenient, but offers many perks and benefits. Keep what you like, break what you don't. Why isn't THAT in the Bible?



You realize there are almost infinitely more branches and flavors of secular philosophy than there is of Christian theology, right?




Are you serious? of course there is, but there are no borders on secular philosophy. It's all ideas.



And mysticism is not?


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: RRRR]
    #5985624 - 08/22/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, bending the rules of your religion to make it more convenient for you. If you've ever wondered why there are so many branches to Christianity, it's because it's not always convenient, but offers many perks and benefits. Keep what you like, break what you don't. Why isn't THAT in the Bible?



You realize there are almost infinitely more branches and flavors of secular philosophy than there is of Christian theology, right?




Are you serious? of course there is, but there are no borders on secular philosophy. It's all ideas.



And mysticism is not?




sure it's all ideas.. but there are no borders to stay in for secular. All branches of Christianity have nearly the same roots. Believe mostly the same things


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Re: Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven! [Re: BrilliantWhite]
    #5986294 - 08/22/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"You realize there are almost infinitely more branches and flavors of secular philosophy than there is of Christian theology, right?"
--RRRR

That's kind of the point. Philosophy requires the personal examination of all ideas and encourages disagreement and discussion. Religion doesn't. Religion strives towards a unification of thought and belief amongst it's attendents through indocrination, texts that are held to be sacrosanct and sermons delievered regularly to large groups in which one individual's viewpoint is impressed upon the group as the proper mode of thought.

Different branches and flavours in philosophy are inevitable, and I'd argue that it isn't philosophy unless there's a minimum of two or three. Whereas different branches in theology have generally come about gradually and with great difficulty as a response to changes in thought among the populace. More often than not, they're accompanied by persecution and bloodshed, sometimes civil war.

That's what bugs me about religious organisation; they take shit so seriously. Uptight, the lot of 'em, I'd say.

"Also, bending the rules of your religion to make it more convenient for you. If you've ever wondered why there are so many branches to Christianity, it's because it's not always convenient, but offers many perks and benefits. Keep what you like, break what you don't. Why isn't THAT in the Bible?"
--BrilliantWhite

I assume that in reference to Henry VIII and the birth of the anglican church? Sure, Basically a king wanted to ditch his wife and the pope said he couldn't, but there still had to be political will in country to go against Rome. Usually bending the rules doesn't pose too much of a problem for the heads of churches, as in the case of the selling indulgences and such. Ya just gotta grease the wheels, y'know? Whereas if it's a change in church policy that would benifit the poor and sick, like advocating condom use and use of birth control in general, the church is happy to be firmly obstinate in it's view that on matters of doctrine it would be wrong to deviate from what the Bible says. Or rather, how some shortsighted jackass decided "go forth and be plentiful" (or whatever that piece of church dogma is based on says) should be interpreted. I'd say if people are already plentiful somewhere, they should feel free to take steps to avoid being more plentiful than they have to be. And if various groups weren't doing all in their power to styme condom use in Africa maybe aids would be a bit less of a problem there now.


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