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Hank, FTW
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Asante]
#5975638 - 08/18/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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While I agree with you for the most part, there can be irrational bad trips. Me and a couple friends ate about 3.5 grams each(we were 15 or so, probably one of my first times) and then we smoked a huge joint with weed, hash and oil in it. Topped it off with some smokes and we were on our way to outer space.
We were walking down some back roads, and for some reason every time a car would drive near us, we would be come deathly afraid and paranoid. We spent about 3 hours that night running. My one friend then decided to throw away his weed/pipe/smokes, because he thought they were pointless. We then ran into some people we knew and thought they were plotting against us. Some bad trips have no underlying issues and simply are an effect of bad set and setting.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5975795 - 08/18/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats good to know. Next time I trip, I'll make sure to not eat any sweets.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5975898 - 08/18/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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While I agree with you for the most part, there can be irrational bad trips. Me and a couple friends ate about 3.5 grams each(we were 15 or so, probably one of my first times) and then we smoked a huge joint with weed, hash and oil in it. Topped it off with some smokes and we were on our way to outer space.
We were walking down some back roads, and for some reason every time a car would drive near us, we would be come deathly afraid and paranoid. We spent about 3 hours that night running. My one friend then decided to throw away his weed/pipe/smokes, because he thought they were pointless. We then ran into some people we knew and thought they were plotting against us. Some bad trips have no underlying issues and simply are an effect of bad set and setting.
Pot-induced paranoia. People shouldn't mix drugs. Pot taints the psychedelic experience, if you guys hadn't smoked cannabis you probably would've had a whole different trip. The pot gave a nudge in the wrong direction, and the psychedelic and group effects magnified that.
Another combination that bites eachother is psychedelic/alcohol. Adding alcohol robs the psychedelic experience of its depth and dignity.
I vividly recall a trip that was important in many regards, and we knew it. Then alcohol became involved, and rather than proceeding with our introspection we laughed our asses off at the concept of "shitting in bed" which made a potentially valuable trip very funny, very silly, but a complete waste.
Many people like to make these mixes, but what they do not see is thsat the experience may be more fun, but greatly suffers in quality.
Pot clouds the psychedelic experience, reduces some of its clarity and alcohol turns it into a nuthouse where nothing makes sense anymore.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Asante]
#5975901 - 08/18/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a theory that pot smoking while on psychadelics led to paranoia outside of the psychadelics, but had no backing. Glad to hear someone else feels the same way
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
#5975909 - 08/18/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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EllemyshShade said: The best way to avoid a bad trip is to stop believing in "good" and "bad." 
I never think of my trips in those terms and I hardly ever have a horrific one.
Listen to this person.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Asante]
#5975913 - 08/18/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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While I agree with you for the most part, there can be irrational bad trips. Me and a couple friends ate about 3.5 grams each(we were 15 or so, probably one of my first times) and then we smoked a huge joint with weed, hash and oil in it. Topped it off with some smokes and we were on our way to outer space.
We were walking down some back roads, and for some reason every time a car would drive near us, we would be come deathly afraid and paranoid. We spent about 3 hours that night running. My one friend then decided to throw away his weed/pipe/smokes, because he thought they were pointless. We then ran into some people we knew and thought they were plotting against us. Some bad trips have no underlying issues and simply are an effect of bad set and setting.
Pot-induced paranoia. People shouldn't mix drugs. Pot taints the psychedelic experience, if you guys hadn't smoked cannabis you probably would've had a whole different trip. The pot gave a nudge in the wrong direction, and the psychedelic and group effects magnified that.
Another combination that bites eachother is psychedelic/alcohol. Adding alcohol robs the psychedelic experience of its depth and dignity.
I vividly recall a trip that was important in many regards, and we knew it. Then alcohol became involved, and rather than proceeding with our introspection we laughed our asses off at the concept of "shitting in bed" which made a potentially valuable trip very funny, very silly, but a complete waste.
Many people like to make these mixes, but what they do not see is thsat the experience may be more fun, but greatly suffers in quality.
Pot clouds the psychedelic experience, reduces some of its clarity and alcohol turns it into a nuthouse where nothing makes sense anymore.
I agree with this one too.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: HeavenSent]
#5976309 - 08/18/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great advice on this topic. I will try to remember this when I go on my next 5 gram voyage. I only took 5 grams once, and was having an amazing time listening to great music and flying through the universe.
But I read where Terrance Mckenna said to get a great experince, lie in silence and cover your eyes. I tried this for awile and nothing really happened. Then my cat jumped up on me and scared the crap out of me. I was so scared that I wanted the trip to end, and this was my only bad trip out of about 20 in my life. But the first part of the trip was just so amazing I have to experince it again. But this time I will keep the music on and do what I think is right for me.
I have compiled much of the great advice and will study it before this 5 gram voyage. I think the going with the flow is the best advice, and I've been meditating to achieve this as well.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: lakeglim]
#5976628 - 08/18/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah i was pissed one night when i followed the advice of some trip tip that said try eating fruit it's the shit! and i ate a banana and it killed my trip... what a waste of good mushrooms...
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: TheSlapnCapn]
#5977882 - 08/19/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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the secret of candy is that something interesting begins at a different location and becomes a temporary refuge.
a trip guide has to intuit which locations are free and may gently-sweetly divert someone who is obsessing to the temporary refuge.
in all cases of a "bad trip" obsessing is the issue.
a good trip guide can provide suitable candy even with empty pockets. (it is most best when there is no suspicion/paranoia that the trip guide is even guiding at all)
(I think that my life has been all about this candy as long as I can remember)
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6572632 - 02/15/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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sorry to bump this thread.. correct me if i'm wrong, but Orange Juice has sugars in it... so if i take shrooms with OJ, will this effect the trip before it starts?
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: usg543]
#6572787 - 02/15/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the general consensus is that orange juice, cranberry juice, lemon juice or anything extremely acidic helps the absorption of the active ingredients of mushrooms and will bring on the effects faster and harder. I'm not sure how far I would believe this sugar bit. Regardless, I can almost never stomach anything on shrooms anyway.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: aelephant]
#6572808 - 02/15/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I strongly agree that the nature of a trip is contingent upon your conscious attempt to manipulate or commandeer certain aspects of it. I believe that the best way to avoid a bad experience is to just relax and be passive in regards to what happens. If you fight the trip you just cause friction and only exacerbate the issue, whereas if you just relax, take a deep breath and let the trip take you where it wants to go you'll be in good shape.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6572840 - 02/15/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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vigilant_mind said: I strongly agree that the nature of a trip is contingent upon your conscious attempt to manipulate or commandeer certain aspects of it. I believe that the best way to avoid a bad experience is to just relax and be passive in regards to what happens. If you fight the trip you just cause friction and only exacerbate the issue, whereas if you just relax, take a deep breath and let the trip take you where it wants to go you'll be in good shape.
ugh, it's so much easier said than done though.
i think IF i ever trip again, i will dose, then about 30 min after dosing, i will start meditating for around 45 min to help the transition/come up.
anyone ever done this?
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
#6573360 - 02/16/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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MOTH said: The best way to avoid a bad trip is to stop believing in "good" and "bad." .
That way of thinking has totally changed the way I trip.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Varman]
#6573889 - 02/16/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Vitamin C can help. I always thought this was a hippy myth, but a friend of mine freaked out and started crying to kill himself. The people with him gave him dozens of Vitamin C capsules, orange juice and sugar, and he came down a few minutes after. I'm not recommending you eat this amount of vitamin pills, but maybe using orange juice and sugar could be a good idea. Chewing gum helps, or any other rhythmic activity that might calm you down.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: EllisDSox]
#11016291 - 09/07/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok... my first time eating shrooms couple of weeks ago, maybe 4-5weeks... second time was maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago......my first time was ok, i even think that there was no trip 1st time...but second :X :X :X ...me and 2 other friends ate the shrooms and went on some field with some forest around it , about 5-10 min from our homes... so we went there and 1 hour there was nothing... so we decided to go in to the wood...so we went in to it, like 15 meters in to it and the trip began... obviously it was ok for them but for me ..:X:X:X the it started was-> i started looking to some root, it was 20cm by 10cm i can say a big one... so at first i so a little hippopotamus , and i got interested so i started going around it and it was so real and pretty and beautiful and REAL and immediately it turned in to a BIG f*cking REAL and breathing FROG so i was so shocked and told to my friend dude lets go cuz i think i'll go crazy here.. he told me to calm down cuz thats just tripping and its not real ,i thought he didnt believe me so i put his hand on my heart and then his face changed totally and i don't know why but i felt ok so we decided to stay there...maybe 1-2 min. after every single tree was like a spider a damn terrifying and scaring spider for me and the roots were a big big big real legs ...so i started turning my head and changing the direction i look in cuz everywhere i looked i was seeing something weird and scaring... my friends told me to calm down and sat down so at that moment i felt ok and sat down with them and started to look at the tree's leafs turning in crystals and stuff like that ..the tree's branches were like a female gymnast very thin and making a tunnel...so i don't remember how long this beautiful thing lasted but at some moment i realized that i'm sitting on some green moss and when i turned my sight down to it i had the feeling that i'm sitting on a giant crocodile so i knew if i kept looking at it i was gonna see one..... so i went up and started going and going around and grabbed some wood stick from the ground and i started pretending i'm harry potter fighting against some bad character from the movie holding the stick and extending my hand like i'm trying to stop some magic that comes against me and it was so funny and i felt like really doing that and my friends really didn't noticed that haha they were tripping so deep and good, so we stayed and enjoyed the leafs for like i don't know how long and then some other friends of ours came, not so close to me but close to the two guys with me, then we went in our hood and sat on some stairs there were maybe 10 people i knew everyone even thou that they were not that close to me ...but i couldn't trip anymore cuz they were somehow disturbing me so i decided to go home and did so , i drove my car to home couldn't park it at all, i took the space for 2 parking spots and went home, my grandma and grandpa were home, i couldn't afford to be gasped on drugs by them (not that i think that shrooms are drugs but they do) so i got really scared and went in my room...unfortunately the bad things started again the walls started going black like i throw a pail of black paint on the top of them so i turned my look in to the curtains ...then they started doing something weird that i didn't really like so i decided to close my eyes and try to sleep but when i did i started seeing some figures perfectly made by some cubes changing their shape and colour and everything and it was soooooooooo beautiful but at the same time scary cuz i just wanted this thing to stop and release my mind...i thought i'm going crazy and that i'm gonna be like that for the rest of my life so i decided to wait my for grandparents to go to sleep so i can go and eat something....i waited probably like 10 min. the LONGEST and WORST 10 min in my life...:X :X :X... after that i went in the kitchen and ate like everything in the fridge i was so scared everything in the room was something else but not what i knew before everything was so different than i used to see everyday...so after i ate.. i took a huge dumb in the toilet, i went back in my room...it was same thing so i was so scared that i'm gonna be like that whole life and no one can help me, neither my friends neither my relatives neither some doctor no one.. so i decided that i will whether tell my grandp. or i go out and see my friends i just didn't want to be alone , but i knew that if i tell my grandp. my parents will kill me just kill me ..so i dressed and went out i was walking so fast down the road and took a taxi to my friend's home and when i got there i felt so good soooo good but i was changed i knew i was changed..so thats the story... now i just knew it was good then bad then good then bad then good and then very very bad but what it was, it was i think i realize that my mistake was that i went home too early and that's it. so what i want to ask is what do i have to do when i start to see really horrible things things that i don't enjoy at all like the spiders and stuff cuz when i saw those things in the forest i knew that if i dont turn my look somewhere else they could even come to me and do something to me i was SURE ! of that...and i just wanna know if the next time this happens again what should i do...and i know there will be next time cuz shrooms is amazing for me except those things which i'm sure there's way to prevent and even enjoy the... i just wanna know how to..
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: puppesh]
#11016514 - 09/07/09 07:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ressurecting an ancient thread with a wall of text, class.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Edgekrusher]
#11017161 - 09/07/09 09:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is some excellent advice in this thread and I hope that everyone who reads it will take something away from it. Psychedelics are a wonderful, wonderful tool that can honestly change a person for the better. But in the end it is only a tool. They can be quite entertaining as well. But with the, "I just want to party" attitude, I feel that so much is missed. Just my .02 Peace
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#11017893 - 09/07/09 11:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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that post hurts my eyes. paragraphs soothe my eyes.
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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Edgekrusher]
#11017909 - 09/07/09 11:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lollipops, huh? ill make sure to bring a THC-infused lollipop..or a hagen-daaz morphine lollipop.
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