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"De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam
    #5974646 - 08/17/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've been surfing around on here and I have yet to find this tip. (First time poster, trying my best)

My best friend recently came back from Amsterdam, and she brought with her a menu from one of the Coffee Shops where she bought her mushrooms. The menu's were very concise, listing off the 8 different species that they offered including dose recommendations and explanations of the different kinds of highs etc.

The thing that I liked the best is that they had a sections called "When good times go bad" and it stated that if you find yourself having a bad trip one of the things they recomended was to have something really sweet. They had written that the influx in sugar into the system will affect your insulin production and cause the chemicals in your system to metabolize faster, and while it won't end the trip immediately, it will make it considerably shorter. Since eating too much of anything is likely to make you nauseous, they recomended keeping things like lolli-pops on hand as a "just in case".

The place that produced the menus was apparently well-established so I figured that they know what they're talking about. I have yet to have a bad trip, but I have been in the pressence of a lot of other people's bad trips and this advice seems to have helped quite a bit. I always make sure I have a handfull of those Livesavers lollipops stuffed in my pockets before I dose.

Just passing it along. Good luck.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: HeavenSent]
    #5974656 - 08/17/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That sounds interesting and useful. Thank you.

Theres also other things you can do like:

-changing the music to something familiar
-changing the lighting
-moving to another place
-going for a walk

I was once told that milk coats the stomach but i'm pretty sure thats a myth.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Phishe]
    #5974730 - 08/17/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's a known fact.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: HeavenSent]
    #5974769 - 08/17/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The best way to avoid a bad trip is to stop believing in "good" and "bad."  :tongue:

I never think of my trips in those terms and I hardly ever have a horrific one.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
    #5974817 - 08/18/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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EllemyshShade said:
The best way to avoid a bad trip is to stop believing in "good" and "bad."  :tongue:

I never think of my trips in those terms and I hardly ever have a horrific one.




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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Phishe]
    #5974833 - 08/18/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Phishe said:
Quote:

EllemyshShade said:
The best way to avoid a bad trip is to stop believing in "good" and "bad."  :tongue:

I never think of my trips in those terms and I hardly ever have a horrific one.




:thumbup:




The only time I've ever had a "horrific one" is the trip that changed everything, and even now, I consider it a INVALUABLE teaching experience and not as horrific as it seemed at the time. 

In fact, I seek to recreate it with every trip I take.  :smile:


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
    #5974845 - 08/18/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

im gonan remember that. I usually just smoke a cig and pop a xanax.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5974860 - 08/18/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Seriously dude...just take the "good" and "bad" out of your trips, and you'll be left with only unity.

Become the observer. As soon as you (your ego) starts judging things, that's when fear happens.

Just let it all go. Everything...just FLOW. I haven't had a disturbing trip since I started doing this.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: HeavenSent]
    #5975131 - 08/18/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The sugar thing is nice for if you're having an uncomfortable trip. But thats not whats meant with a bad trip, to think so is misleading.

A true bad trip, like Elle's, has psychological content which makes it bad.

Finally acknowledging that your life is a sack of shit. Discovering how your marriage is based on dependency rather than love. Utterly rejecting yourself. Seeing how you never were truly happy, and how you don't really want to live. Being confronted with personal stuff that is so painful that you just want to crawl under a rock.

These things often are out of normal proportion, but invariably they tough on issues you got with your worldview and self-image.

The trip isn't bad: you happen to be tripping when you fall headfirst into a personal crisis. To deal with this successfully can make a "bad trip" into one of the most beneficial trips one can have because you really accomplished something in the matter of an inner conflict you had for long before the trip made it surface.

All the sugar in the world won't sweeten that, nor should you want to "make it go away" without dealing with it, it would be cheating yourself out of a solution, and your decision to repress the issue may actually do damage to your post-trip life.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Asante]
    #5975265 - 08/18/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

While having the worst trip of my life (10 grams shrooms for breakfast with a OJ chaser), I was given a bananna which really helped me come down to a level where I could think again,lol.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: FungusMan]
    #5975272 - 08/18/06 06:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

While I'll put myself into the camp of 'I've never had a bad trip', and do think laregly trips go good/bad depending on how you view it and your ability to let go. The fact that people have bad trips is no less real. I hate it when people claim "Bad trips simply dont happen!"

As with anything in life - it is simply an expierence.

Take getting whipped for example.

Getting whipped is just an expierence - a physical sensation.
For *most* people - its painfull, they dont like it, and its not something they would like to repeat - to them, its bad.

But, for some of the kinkier people in the world - its a sexual turn on, and a good thing.

For trips, what may be a bad or difficult expierence for one person, may be a 'usefull and enlightening trip' for another person. If the person did not like the trip, if it was scary, if it was too intense for them to handle, and its a trip that terrified them, and its not a trip they would ever want to repeat, and they think its a bad trip - then it is a bad trip. Just because one person is able to take a different approach and just call it 'a trip' without the connections of good or bad, does not stop it from being a bad trip to the person who expierenced it.

Not everyone who takes mushrooms are like people on these forums. They havnt researched them, they are not looking at them as 'learning tools', they are simply looking for a fucked up good time while on vacation in amsterdam and "haha shrooms are legal, lets get high!"

You may want to dismiss them as being naive, inexpierenced, or not treating the mushrooms with respect - but not every drug user are like the people here who take on the same mindset as you or me.

And for those people, if a trip starts to go 'bad' - they arnt thinking "Oh my, this isnt really a bad trip, this is just a trip, lets get the most from it", they are thinking "waht the fuck? whats going on? make this stop, I didnt know that this could happen?!$"

Yes, they may of had it comming - but it doesnt change the fact that the trip is a bad trip for them.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: kaniz]
    #5975279 - 08/18/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

observe and let go observe and let go observe and let go


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Asante]
    #5975281 - 08/18/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Beautifully worded WS...right on the $$!!!  :thumbup:


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
    #5975488 - 08/18/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

EllemyshShade said:
Seriously dude...just take the "good" and "bad" out of your trips, and you'll be left with only unity. 

Become the observer.  As soon as you (your ego) starts judging things, that's when fear happens. 

Just let it all go.  Everything...just FLOW.  I haven't had a disturbing trip since I started doing this.





I know exactly what you mean but it's not always that easy to do.  I considered myself a VERY open minded and accepting individual.  When I started losing my ego, I was absolutely terrified.  As open minded as I was, there was still my mind saying "This is not right at all, make it stop!".  :confused:


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Newbie]
    #5975506 - 08/18/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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NewbieShroomie said:
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EllemyshShade said:
Seriously dude...just take the "good" and "bad" out of your trips, and you'll be left with only unity. 

Become the observer.  As soon as you (your ego) starts judging things, that's when fear happens. 

Just let it all go.  Everything...just FLOW.  I haven't had a disturbing trip since I started doing this.





I know exactly what you mean but it's not always that easy to do.  I considered myself a VERY open minded and accepting individual.  When I started losing my ego, I was absolutely terrified.  As open minded as I was, there was still my mind saying "This is not right at all, make it stop!".  :confused:




The ego DOES put up a fight.  :wink:  Mine tries everytime, but I trip to LOSE that big fat ego, not to hold onto it.  Whenever I feel myself grow anxious on a trip, I plunge myself even further into the pit of fire.  You won't win if you "run."  You might as well SURRENDER, and join the party.  :mushroom2:

Embrace what you fear...accept it, love it, and it can't do anything to you anymore. 

It just takes practice and the ability to...let go.  We all have the power to flow.  To think otherwise is your ego talking.  :grin:


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
    #5975522 - 08/18/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

EllemyshShade said:
Embrace what you fear...accept it, love it, and it can't do anything to you anymore.





Exactly!!!

And remember the words of the Bard:

"There is nothing good nor bad, but thinking makes it so".

Also, if you go into a trip with the mindset that you'll get the trip you NEED (rather than a facile WANT), all will fall into place.

Acceptance - that's the key!


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: theorganicdomino]
    #5975535 - 08/18/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Acceptance of one's state of mind is a lot easier said than done though. I am still trying to find ways to let go, but my damn ego always seems to find a way to interfere.

Good discussion here folks. This is a topic that should be discussed as often as possible, as many folks here, myself included, find tripping to be a place that holds a lost treasure and we are all trying to get back there. Keep it coming.


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
    #5975600 - 08/18/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

im not sure ive ever had ego loss.  on one trip i forgot everything i ever knew about anything, the only thing i could manage to recall was that i ate mushrooms.  i didn't even know what a bad trip was when all my (dumbass) friends started saying "he's having a bad trip dude." :nonono:  that certainly didnt help me out

but im not convinced that i lost my ego on that one. there was still I, Me, this individual, even though i had no name.  i felt lost. 

i tend to be an observer, usually indifferent to most things.  you could say i "let go" of most things that happen to me.  im kind of detached that way.  so is "letting go" the best thing for me to do during a trip, or should i try to take control and focus on it?  i usually have a good time while tripping, but i always get very confused. later i'll feel like i should have learned something from my trip, but i missed it.  and it makes me :sad:


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: Wronguy]
    #5975606 - 08/18/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Wronguy said:
Acceptance of one's state of mind is a lot easier said than done though. I am still trying to find ways to let go, but my damn ego always seems to find a way to interfere.

Good discussion here folks. This is a topic that should be discussed as often as possible, as many folks here, myself included, find tripping to be a place that holds a lost treasure and we are all trying to get back there. Keep it coming.




LOL When you finally figure out how, let me know.  I'd love to go way further into ego-loss, instead of the total of 10 seconds (which felt like eternity). 

On a side note, I used to think of eternity as a really, really really long time, on a normal time-frame.  Now I view eternity as the absence of time, as I know what it's like to not understand something as simple as time passing.  I guess that part of my brain got filtered out by the Psilocin.  :rolleyes:


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Re: "De-Railing a bad trip" - advice from Amsterdam [Re: ILoveHofmann]
    #5975623 - 08/18/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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ILoveHofmann said:
That's a known fact.




For real. I thought everyone who trips knows that.... Things like apple juice (sugary water) work great.


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