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Farnaby
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To Case or Not to Case?
#5974066 - 08/17/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Due to bad spores from a non-sponsor site (yes, I learned my lesson!), only 1 BRF jar out of 12 colonized. I know it had to have been bad spores because the spores in the colonized jar are from a reputable vendor. Anywho, my question is this: Should I case this one jar or leave it as a cake? I've all the necessary ingredients for a 50/50+ casing mix, so that shouldn't be a factor in the decision. But on the other hand, would it really be worth it to case one little ol' BRF jar? Currently the cake is taking a nice long bath in my fridge so I've a good 23 or so hours left to decide. Any advice from all you shroomologists would be great appreciated!
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faceyneck
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: Farnaby]
#5974076 - 08/17/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you haven't grown before, I would reccomend growing it as a cake first. This will give you a good idea of how the strain behaves, and you can get decent flushes if you grow them under the standar parameters, however, IME, dunking only slowed things down. I'm not saying that it doesn't work for some people; just not me, but then again I haven't even been growing for a year yet.
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Farnaby
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: faceyneck]
#5974086 - 08/17/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, its not my first casing. My first casing is currently in my PMP and seems to be coming along nicely (thanks to hyphae's pinning strategy).
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: Farnaby]
#5974100 - 08/17/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Which would you rather do?
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shroomerite
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: faceyneck]
#5974103 - 08/17/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would case if for a better yield but its like I said before, Its worth doing just for the experience of knowing how cakes fruit and then you will appriciate casings that much more.
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: shroomerite]
#5974113 - 08/17/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, you're thinking about fruiting a cake so that you'll appreciate casings?
I think cakes are fun. Try it, you might like it, and hey, everybody's doin' it.
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shroomerite
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: faceyneck]
#5974127 - 08/17/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree cakes can be fun. I just remebered when I first started. To see a shroom grow from a cake is facinating, to see hundreds from a casing is mezmoring.
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Farnaby
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: faceyneck]
#5974134 - 08/17/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well yeah, I guess since I've only done one casing and zero cakes, it might be a good idea to go ahead and leave it as a cake. But just in case I change my mind and decide to case it, any suggestions on casing a single 1/2 pint BRF cake? I read on mycotopia or some other website about cutting the cake in half, crumbling it up and putting each half into a Solo plastic cup with a casing layer on top... a microcasing if you will. Has anyone tried this method, and if so, whats your opinion on it?
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shroomerite
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: Farnaby]
#5974158 - 08/17/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- "For best results, learn to work with nature rather than against it. Mycelium has an amazing ability to cope with less than optimal conditions, and will often fruit when a grower does everything wrong. However, do everything right and watch your performance go through the roof." RR
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: shroomerite]
#5974163 - 08/17/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- "For best results, learn to work with nature rather than against it. Mycelium has an amazing ability to cope with less than optimal conditions, and will often fruit when a grower does everything wrong. However, do everything right and watch your performance go through the roof." RR
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Farnaby
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: shroomerite]
#5974186 - 08/17/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess I should re-word my question a bit. What I'm really wondering is if it's really worth casing just ONE 1/2 pint BRF cake. I wouldn't even be asking this question if I had just one more colonized BRF jar. I just didn't know if the small amout of substrate that a single 1/2 pint jar would provide would be adequate for a productive casing. I totally understand that casing is better, and why. And yeah , I just used hyphae's pinning strategy to case my WBS jars. IMO it and Otto's guide to easy LCs are must reads for *ALL* newbs who want to get into the trade. Thanks for all the feedback thus far, and I hope i clarified what I'm asking =)
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shroomerite
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Re: To Case or Not to Case? [Re: Farnaby]
#5974206 - 08/17/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Up 2 you to really. I feel it would be worth it. If you read Why case, Why not? It seems to me that you would want to case. More fruits, better micro-environment, and RH is not as hard to keep up as it helps retain moisture. Just crumble the cake in a ziploc bag with a fork and then puor in a little tupperware bowl of some sorts then add casing mix. Incubate a little then fruit. You will be pleased.
-------------------- "For best results, learn to work with nature rather than against it. Mycelium has an amazing ability to cope with less than optimal conditions, and will often fruit when a grower does everything wrong. However, do everything right and watch your performance go through the roof." RR
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