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Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam?
    #5973459 - 08/17/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I had a 1/2 pint PF jar i set aside about 2 weeks ago because it looked (and smelled) like it had a bacteria contamination... I just checked it today and there are 3 fruits growing off of it squished up against the inside of the jar, the entire thing is pure white and it doesn't stink anymore, it smells like mushrooms... is this ok? Is it safe to put this cake in my fruiting container with the rest or should I isolate it or simply throw it away because the fruits are bad also?


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: tommythehort]
    #5973527 - 08/17/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, one thing you could do is crumble up the cake and see if its white through and through. If it is, toss it in a casing, or outside, and let it grow out. If it doesn't grow after a few weeks, just toss it. Thats what I normally do with stalled jars just to observe. Whether you eat the fruits or not is up to you.

If its just pure white myc that looks like rhizomorphic growth, your mush may have eaten up the bacteria :smile:


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: wiggles]
    #5973542 - 08/17/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Would it be a not-wise idea to eat the fruits? Can they become contaminated and therefore poisonous to the human body?


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: tommythehort]
    #5973585 - 08/17/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Basically if there are multiple fungi in a substrate, often their mycelial networks can become connected. This can allow for nutrients to be syphoned from one into the other, as well as toxins. So its kind of a gamble. I've yet to have any problems, but I always make sure that its not mush that I'd give a friend because its by no means guaranteed to be safe.


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: wiggles]
    #5974020 - 08/17/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i thought mushrooms cant grow when there is contamination...so if the myc 'syphoned' the contam toxins wouldnt it just kill the myc??


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: imtank]
    #5974038 - 08/17/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well its pretty rare that mycelium can win over bacteria... bacteria are pretty fast growing and agressive. so that may not have been your problem in the first place...

but that being said, if it was bacteria, its possible that there were toxins or metabolytes produced by the bacteria that didn't kill the mycelium, but could have been absorbed in the fruits, and could make you sick.

chances are giving the situation you'd be fine to eat them. but know the risk. bacteria can cause food poisoning, or at the very least make your stomach queasier than normal. if that's a risk (albiet a small one in all likelihood) you're willing to take to salvage 3 little mushrooms... knock yerself out


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: creamcorn]
    #5974061 - 08/17/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Be careful.


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: faceyneck]
    #5974117 - 08/17/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

When in doubt, Throw it out! Never take a chance when it comes to your heath. Mushrooms are easy to grow. I vote CHUCK IT!


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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: shroomerite]
    #5974571 - 08/17/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If the mycelium took over and formed fruits, they are safe to eat. It's rare for mycelium to win the battle over bacteria, but I've seen it many times. There is NO siphoning of contaminants other than heavy metals. That is silly. The mycelium is a living organism that metabolizes the substrate, including bacteria and molds which are thriving in the natural environment. We toss out contaminated projects indoors to save our future projects from failure due to massive spore release, not to save ourselves from imaginary toxins. If it looks and smells ok, it is ok.
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Re: Mycelium overtaking bacterial contam? [Re: tommythehort]
    #5974584 - 08/17/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have eaten fruits from very rotten cakes. No problems here. Listen to Roger.


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