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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: 888]
#5979465 - 08/19/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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How does everyone feel about guns?
i like them. they are fun to shoot at targets, they provide a humane and enjoyable way to obtain meat, and at times, they allow people to defend themselves. most "gun control" efforts do more harm than good. like recreational drugs, those who actually use guns are more familiar with the facts surrounding them than the naive and misinformed prohibitionists.
guns are good. everyone go buy one.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: soulcircus]
#5981109 - 08/20/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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USMCamputee said: Blinded by rage? Only the weak feel anger and rage. The strong have no emotion at all on the matter. It is simply a natural thing.

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soulcircus said: its just, the fact they are so available and correct me if im wrong arn't their some ridiculously inappopriatly powerful guns available also, whats the need for those?
Why does that interest you? People use them for hunting, protection, fun, whatever. Their does not have to be a need to justify their existence. Think of it like this: What is the need for drugs as powerful as LSD or heroin. What is the need for money? What is the need for people with HIV, or retards? There's no need for anything in life. There is no need for life, it's just the way it is.
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soulcircus said: also it just means everyone has to get one to feel protected,
Not hardly. I know plenty of people that don't carry although it's legal and many do.
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soulcircus said: then it becomes ingrained in new generations as the right thing to do. and it becomes accepted that people will use these to kill, thats horrible.
It's not horrible, it's realistic. People will be killed no matter what society does to try to stop it. Guns are a tool and nothing more.
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soulcircus said: but from a complete lack of political knowledge standpoint
Don't take this the wrong way, but there is your problem. You are spouting off well admitidely uniformed. Why do you feel it appropriate to hold such outlandish positions(such as what follows) when you know not of which you speak? Seriously, sit back and think about that for a bit.
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soulcircus said: id say all guns other than the hunting guns should just be made illegal and swept up, and the only legal purpose for guns should be for sporting, however i don't agree with sporting purposes.
That's a shame. What do you consider a hunting gun?
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: Fractalated]
#5981122 - 08/20/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fractalated said: No, I would disagree and say those examples aren't relevent. A gun is a tool directly used to kill or seriously injure someone.
Only when a person picks it up and uses it that way. I can get in a car and run down the sidewalk killing several perople just as easy as I could kill with a firearm.
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Fractalated said: That is its purpose. Cars, alcohol, and drugs are not intended to kill or seriously injure people. They're for making life easier and more pleasurable or for whatever other reason you choose to use drugs.
Guns make my life far more pleasurable than any of the aformentioned items.
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Fractalated said: If guns were outlawed and no one had them, then there would be no reason to make these killing machines.
Why do you wish to take away a sport so many people enjoy? Who are you to cast judgement on those you do not know because of how they choose to spend their money and time?
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Fractalated said: But carrying a loaded gun around with you...THAT I think is unnecessary, unless you're James Bond or have some seriously fucked up enemies (in which case I would have to say you may want to consider re-evaluating your life), or live in a war zone. You don't sound like you live in a warzone though.
The police carry them. They're not James Bond, they don't have seriously fucked up enemies. They carry them becuase in a matter of life and death, having a gun is a great advantage. To me it seems like you think people that carry guns are cowboys. Perhaps that is true for the criminals, but law-abiding citizens go through training, background checks and to a lesser extent, mental evaluations. We are indeed the safest people to be around for the most part.
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Fractalated said: It sounds like you just want a little reassurance. But I don't think carrying a tool that can bring death to anyone around with you is the best way to go about getting that reassurance. If you get robbed...well alright, then you get robbed.
Let me give you two examples of what has happened in around me in the last week. A girl I know was walking home with a friend when a man approached with a knife and demanded money, phones, etc. After complying, the man stabbed the girl and ran off. Another man was at a bus stop. A car pulls up, two men get out, beat him and throw him in the trunk. He ends up beaten and left for dead in a warehouse...FOR NO REASON!
The mindset of "that won't happen to me" is foolish. You don't have to live in the ghetto, or in a warzone to have bad situations arise.
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Fractalated said: Besides, if someone's desperate enough to rob people for money, then they probably are really needy themselves.
Or they were brought up understanding that it's easier to take other people's property. Especially since most walk around unprotected.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: 888]
#5981130 - 08/20/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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888 said: How does everyone feel about guns?
Love em. Shoot all the time, and carry every day.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: soulcircus]
#5981135 - 08/20/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why don't we just kill off the people who commit violent crimes instead of keeping them in some shithouse for a few months and then releasing them back into the public?
It isn't hard to NOT mug somebody. Do we really need scummy types to reproduce? I think not.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: NamelessRevolt]
#5981165 - 08/20/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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NamelessRevolt said: Why don't we just kill off the people who commit violent crimes instead of keeping them in some shithouse for a few months and then releasing them back into the public?
It isn't hard to NOT mug somebody. Do we really need scummy types to reproduce? I think not.
Good call, now let's get everyone else in America to agree. These child molesters get off easy, one guy got out of a prison sentence here because the judge believed he was too old and fragile for prison. HE FUCKING MOLESTED CHILDREN FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Meanwhile non violent drug offenders are getting long term bits, and coming out worse than when they were before being sent up.
Kill those who victimize innocent people? I wouldn't loose sleep over it. I would throw the lever, sinch the noose, or open the gas valve, and I wouldn't think twice, I would, however, go to Taco Bell and get one of those cheesy bean and rice burritos A.S.A.P. Oh, and a Chalupa with naco cheese..... with a Mountain Dew....yeah.....
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock *DELETED* [Re: 888]
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: 888]
#5981596 - 08/20/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not really aware of the situation in the US so I can't really have an accurate opinion.
A lot has to do with each different coulture and society.
In Cyprus for example, the majority of families have a G3 riffle or G3 machine gun in their houses since most men are part of the reserves, yet they never resort to using it as there's really no gun crime affecting them. Criminals kill each other, they don't really bother people in their every day lives.
Obviously, there's no ghetto or all the social struggle that exists in the US that lead to all this phenomenon.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: trunksan]
#5981855 - 08/20/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wish I had an arsenal of guns, but I think it wouldn't be good if everybody was packing, instead of having brawls we'd start having gun fights, and instead of bumps and bruises we would have fatalities, which might not be bad for population control, but for crime, I doubt it would be the whole polite society thing, I think everyone would feel the power rush and start doing more jacks and heists
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: capliberty]
#5981880 - 08/20/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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G3? Nice. Where do you live? I will assume somewhere in Europe.....
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
#5981886 - 08/20/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would love to try out a G36 or some other HK rifle, but they are so expensive, parts and mags are hard to find and also expensive. The AR has really become a cheap gun, with piston driven uppers hitting the market, and the sunset of the AWB, conventional direct impingement AR15s are cheap as ever, and so are the parts and mags.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: 888]
#5981891 - 08/20/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You got a lot of freaking personal problems...you shouldn't have a gun.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5981975 - 08/20/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: You got a lot of freaking personal problems...you shouldn't have a gun.
This coming from someone else posting on a psychedelics/mind altering substance using forum. The same could be said by the antis about who people should not be able to use mind altering intoxicants.
Truth is it is all about control. The gubmint wants to control everything about every one of you. what you put in your bodies, what you can and can not own, it starts there, give it a few more decades. The man will be telling you where to live, eat, work, what you can and can not see on tv, what you can and can not listen to, where you can and can not go. Gun control worked great for the Nazis, it has also worked well in the U.K. London is one of the most dangerous places in the world, but in a place where the cops can't even carry a weapon, are you supprised?
Criminals can get their guns from other countries, through illegal importation. They also steal them from law abiding citizens. Gun control does not work, this is simply a fact. I do believe and armed society is a polite society. Places where weapons are tabboo, criminals feel empowered when they acquire weapons, because they no their chances of encountering an armed person are practically non-existant. There fore they indulge in their criminal career feeling almost invincible. Now, we look at a place like Arizona, USA. In Arizona things are changing. With over 400 unsolved murders a year, they have recently passed landmark registration. Anyone can carry a gun at any time without a permit. It can not be concealed without a permit, but you can openly carry a weapon. It is too early to tell but I believe these senseless murders are going to fall off, and crime will decline. The state police in AZ believe these are mainly commited by illegal immigrants.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
#5982044 - 08/20/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I used to carry a machine gun for a living, so I understand what it means....it was a job requirement. I am grateful for having had the opportunity to serve my country. One who has a gun in his hand should not have hate in his heart. The original poster is expressing hate and a desire to kill. Taking life is is a serious matter and should be avoided at every cost if possible. Yes I am posting on a drug site, and I am a bigger psychedelic drug freak than you are ever liable to meet with around 800 trips to my credit...it is testament to being a free thinking person in my book. Long live the acid freaks!!! Love your fellow humans!
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5982064 - 08/20/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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its all gravy until you get bush wacked by those in the third world countries where everything goes and the norm is having a hired armed guard at your door
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
#5986815 - 08/22/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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USMCamputee said: G3? Nice. Where do you live? I will assume somewhere in Europe.....
I come from Cyprus (that's in Europe).
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: trunksan]
#5988836 - 08/23/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is probably getting a bit off topic but anyway, i live in England and i'm planning on visiting New York sometime in the future for a holiday, and was wondering if anyone could tell me if there would be any way i could perhaps visit a gun club for the day and try out some different weapons? Since i'll never have the chance to do so over here (guns being illegal and all) does anyone know if this would be possible? Or would i need to be a citizen with a license to even get my hands on a firearm?
Also, just thought i'd mention that i've lived in England all my life and have only heard one single story of anyone being shot in my area, years ago when some ex SAS nutter machine gunned his girlfriend. People over here (generally) do not worry about being attacked with guns while inside or outside their homes... maybe in the big cities it's a problem, but that's only in the real shitbag areas where you'd only go if you were trying to buy crack or some shit. And still, you're more likely to be faced with a knife than a gun... just bringing that up as a point of interest anyway.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: capliberty]
#5988899 - 08/23/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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capliberty said: but I think it wouldn't be good if everybody was packing, instead of having brawls we'd start having gun fights, and instead of bumps and bruises we would have fatalities
I would have to think that people would be hesitant to start shooting other people, as people do not want to die. Criminals who do shoot others and everything usually do not expect their victims to be packing heat. I doubt most criminals would commit a crime if they fully accepted the fact that they would get arrested for doing so right as they completed the crime - being a criminal is usually a game of trying to beat the odds, to beat the system.
Well, if everyone was packing, the odds wouldn't be so much in one's favor. There are always going to be your drunk morons who will fuck shit up, but yet, for the most part, I don't foresee more crime from having more individuals complete training and evaluation in order to carry guns on their person.
I recently read about Belgium, or some country, in which they are having problems with public transportation, young Muslims beating the shit out of people, acting all fucking stupid, etc. etc., pulling knives and everything. Apparently no weapon can be carried, and people have died when standing up to them.
You know what? Fuck that. Pull out a fucking gun, and if that is not enough to deter them from acting all tough without threat of consequences for their actions, put a fucking bullet in them. Life is far too short to put up with unreasonable threats on one's life, and if, for whatever fucked up reason, some fucking moron wants to impose those threats on your life, then it is them that should have an even shorter life, and it should be you that is pulling the fucking trigger.
I think the fact that we have the freedom to live our life implies the right to take life. I am, in no way, stating or implying that we should take life, but simply that everyone is capable of taking life if they commited themselves to doing so, regardless of methods or tools available, and the fact that we life necessitates that we should protect our life. Thus, if someone directly threatens our life, we need to protect ourselves, which, unfortunately, means that we may have to take life.
My individual circumstance is such that I do not feel the need to carry a gun with me, but I sometimes consider whether or not I should have one in the house. It is our right as citizens of the United States, and it is entirely unreasonable for anyone to suggest that this right is to be taken away - any group who does suggest it has a crooked agenda.
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: Dfekt]
#5989888 - 08/23/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know about New York, but here in Cleveland there's a few places you could go that rent firearms. Two people I know were over recently and they went shooting with no problems.
Tell me what part of New York you'll be in and I'll see if I can find out any specifics for you.
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