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    #5973348 - 08/17/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: 888]
    #5973458 - 08/17/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Death and violence beget more death and violence. If I was ever violently threatened, I would do my best to help them out (turning the other cheek). People who are tortured to death or shot at generally are into some serious shit. I try to avoid such serious shit.

I understand how a lot of people would be timid about you having a gun. But to stop being your friend because of it? That's intolerant. And it's a shame.

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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: 888]
    #5973509 - 08/17/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hey bro, I understand.

I have seen what weapons do. It is very unsettling. Nothing is worse than innocent people being killed over mistake ID, bad intel, foolish and insane behavior.


However, when people demonize the "guns" it upsets me. When people drive drunk do we blame the car? Thomas Jefferson once said, "an armed society is a polite society". I believe that.

I also, carry a firearm. I am an American, I served my country, and I will be damned if anybody wants to tell me I am wrong for it. I simply refuse to be a victim and self preservation is an instinct I possess. Sorry, but if you want to victimize this man here, you get 2 to the sternum and 1 to the head. I don't miss and I don't hesitate. I will end a threat if I believe my life or the life of another innocent person could be at risk.

I understand about feeling alienated because you own and/or carry a weapon. I know the feeling.

let me ask you folks this, what sign do you want on your front door?
"This is a gun free home, criminals welcome"
or how about a B27 human profile silhouette with 10 to the 10 ring, and 5 to the dome peice?


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5973526 - 08/17/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)







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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5973529 - 08/17/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What if you misjudge the situation? What if you're blinded in a moment of rage and shoot someone? What if you decide that simply being robbed is enough reason to end someone's life? What if you hurt someone and then they seek vengeance on your loved ones?

I mean I understand that having a firearm is probably the best form of protection, but violence begets violence and peace begets peace. If you live in a place where your life is in constant danger, then I can maybe understand carrying a gun with you, but for your day to day life, do you carry a gun? Do you NEED to? Are you threatened?


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5973530 - 08/17/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

OOPS, wrong photo on the top.
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    #5973550 - 08/17/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5973584 - 08/17/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Blinded by rage? Only the weak feel anger and rage. The strong have no emotion at all on the matter. It is simply a natural thing. Anger and rage is weakness, and it isn't a part of my daily training regiment.

I carry one because it is legal to where I live. I am not violent, but I am prepared. I live in a good neighborhood, I don't live in a situation where my life is constantly threatened. However, I carry a weapon 24/7, every day, all day, except when inside gov't buildings (it is illegal even w/a permit). I carry one because it is the most efficient tool to stop a threat. If someone wants to harm me (even financially through robbery) or another innocent person, I will just be cleaning the gene pool. I am sorry but I think I can judge the situation. I carry a multitude of other tools. Knives, flashlights, mace, a collapsable baton. I carry several tools to protect myself, and I will deploy them accordingly. I think I have spent enough time in high stress life or death situations to have the experience needed to make the proper judgement. It's called a war and I actually fought in one. It's called OIF, in case you didn't know, 665 Marines have given their lives so far, including six from my former attachment (1st Battalion, 3rd Marines, 3rd Expeditionary Force)


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: soulcircus]
    #5973599 - 08/17/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

soulcircus said:
i think the fact everyone has guns for protection and them being so available is the worst possible way to go about it.




OK, well the same could be said for drugs. Case in point. There are good and bad people everywhere. You can not blame the car the drunk drove, the drugs the guy was on when he killed x amount of people, you can't blame the gun when someone goes on a shooting spree. Would any of you folks like to be in your living rooms just chilling after a huge riot in your city, or after a major national disaster unarmed?

I am sorry if the nature of my posts seemed offensive or hostile to anyone here. I don't want to come off as an ass-hole, a nut job, or start a fight, you can't argue politics. You can't argue this kind of stuff here. I have nothing more to contribute, however if you would like to learn more about becoming a responsible law abiding firearm owner feel free to contact me.


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock *DELETED* [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5973659 - 08/17/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: soulcircus]
    #5973713 - 08/17/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I will chime in with this. If I was a little more agile with the prostheses, and felt that they were an asset and not a weakness, I would feel totally comfortable going hand to hand. It is a question of are you motivated enough? I am motivated enough.

With that mindset cars should be illegal, alcohol should be illegal, drugs should be illegal, and the government should do daily inspections of your home to make sure that you are "doing the right thing". People will abuse anything, I feel protected because of my training.

Any ass hat can pick up a gun and think they have all the answers right there. I think if anyone wants to own or carry a weapon they need to invest in training. I will set a standard with this.......

People who own weapons yet do not invest in training are a liability to themselves, and the public at large, not an asset. I think all firearm owners should be well trained in safety and self defense from hand to hand all the way up to the modern assault rifle, as they should be competent enough to deploy the right tool for the job.


For example, I carry a flashlight, to help identify people in low light settings. It is a Surefire C3, and it will seer your retinas if you are on the receiving end. Just one of the many tools you need for self defense that are just as important as the gun.


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5974583 - 08/17/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

With that mindset cars should be illegal, alcohol should be illegal, drugs should be illegal, and the government should do daily inspections of your home to make sure that you are "doing the right thing". People will abuse anything, I feel protected because of my training.

No, I would disagree and say those examples aren't relevent. A gun is a tool directly used to kill or seriously injure someone. That is its purpose. Cars, alcohol, and drugs are not intended to kill or seriously injure people. They're for making life easier and more pleasurable or for whatever other reason you choose to use drugs.

If guns were outlawed and no one had them, then there would be no reason to make these killing machines. But I recognize that's an extreme and idealist position. There are guns in this world. And perhaps having a gun in your house locked up, out of the reach of kids isn't really that bad, as they could mean the difference between life and death.

But carrying a loaded gun around with you...THAT I think is unnecessary, unless you're James Bond or have some seriously fucked up enemies (in which case I would have to say you may want to consider re-evaluating your life), or live in a war zone. You don't sound like you live in a warzone though.

It sounds like you just want a little reassurance. But I don't think carrying a tool that can bring death to anyone around with you is the best way to go about getting that reassurance. If you get robbed...well alright, then you get robbed. It's not the end of the world. I'm sure you don't carry your bank around with you, so it's just a minor inconvenience. Besides, if someone's desperate enough to rob people for money, then they probably are really needy themselves.


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: Fractalated]
    #5974660 - 08/17/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If someone is going to own a gun, they need to own a safe. I have a safe, and it set me back about 2,500 bucks. It weighs about 800lbs empty, and if I don't have it on my person it is in this safe, and this safe is locked 24/7. It is a part of being a responsible law abiding gun owner.

Criminals will always have guns, that is something that can not be disputed. If there was a gun ban, only the law abiding citizens would turn them in, and the criminals would keep them.

Look at countries where guns are heavily restricted, crime is always a huge problem. Crime very rarely happens here (where I live), because people can legally carry guns. The last thing that happened here was a few months ago, some guy kidnapped some 10 year old girl, cut her head off and did some other fucked up shit to her body. He had written plans out about how he was going to eat her.

Yes this really happened. People really do shit like this. What is fucked up is people like this are out there. I WOULD NEVER HARM MY FELLOW MAN. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN VIOLENCE. I DO, HOWEVER, BELIEVE IN SELF DEFENSE AND STOPPING CRIMINALS.....and trust me, I have no problem with taking a CRIMINAL'S life, my Taco Bell will taste just as good the day after I off some criminal who could potentially be harmful to innocent people. The guy who robs you today could be the man who rapes and murders your wife or child tomorrow. Sorry, but they are getting 2 COM 1 CNS.

I am glad I live in a place where people understand a humans right to self defense. If someone needs to rob someone I think they need to reappraise their situation and find a damned job.

Carrying a loaded gun is completely nescessary in todays crazy world.


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5974757 - 08/17/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I WOULD NEVER HARM MY FELLOW MAN. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN VIOLENCE.

I'm glad to hear that. Unfortunately, not everyone else follows that belief and moral code. There are people who, given the opportunity WILL harm their fellow man. There are people who DO believe in violence. Given more open gun laws, these people will have more access to guns. Do you want this sort of person to have easier access to guns?


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: Fractalated]
    #5974823 - 08/18/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I guess it comes with the territory brother. Which sucks, but it is what it is.

In all seriousness most criminals steal their guns. There is, of course, the "straw purchase". The straw purchase takes place when John gives Tom money so Tom can buy John a gun. If someone gets caught up, Tom and John BOTH get a mandatory minimum of 10 years if the feds pick up the case(s).

If you walk into a gun store to buy a gun, you have to fill out a yellow or white sheet. They call the FBI's NICS hotline and get and instant background check on you. To legally carry it, you have to go through even more crap. You have to take class(es), get your prints taken, pay fees, get some form of certifications for safety and/or self defense, get your county sheriff to approve it and/or get the state police to approve it. All of this and possibly more, depending on your locale.

It would be nice to live in utopia. I would love to trade my guns for that. But that shit ain't the truth. If everybody could just show love and respect to all mankind, pass the grass and no trying to kick ass, I would be content. I do not believe violence is the answer, but when it is you or them, the choice is simple. I wish to harm no human, but, I can live with killing just the same.


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: USMCamputee]
    #5974826 - 08/18/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Damn brother, I gotta get some rest........


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Re: GUNS cocked locked and read to rock [Re: 888]
    #5978308 - 08/19/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah im an ignorant observer from another country, but i'd say that the lax gunlaws in the states when compared to gun deaths/population of the country. There is an easy observation and conclusion to be made yeayh. Now I'm basing this off an old Pennywise video (Homesickness) stating gun death statistics of different countries. I think my home australia was among the lowest but we have sfa population i guess, and more importantly much tighter gun laws yeah.

Now from one perspective yeah I reckon we're fucked by the corporation controlled government yeah and feel a need to take the power back so to speak but violent revolutions are shaky at best and a more i guess (this sounds incredibly hippy-ish) a more loving apporach should be taken perhaps. I mean we're only controlled as much as we choose to be, and giving into fear and violence perpetuates the hate i guess...

But back to your point of protection. SUre enough in your country I may feel the same way, i mean if every punk kid has a gun i'd feel unsafe too. ANd that IS the problem. I mean the idea that an armed society is a safer society is bullshit. If all that owned a gun were responsible adults with control over emotions and whatnot, well sure cool. But people are not.

I guess one could argue that countries dont fuck each other up with nuclear weapons because they know they'll have a retallitory attack and no1 wins. - we all just die yeah. SO I guess countries run by supposedly responsible elected officials are above this peddy 'war' shit.. well that is we dont fuck with ppl that can fuck us up too, if you're weak and powerless we're still happy to fuck you up, that's whhat i mean. err.. afghanistan, iraq --> iran etc.. any1 attacked nth korea yet? no? huh? why? any chance they may Possibly have ACTUAL wepaons, that are a REAL threat? I dunno, but im sure as fuck Irawq didn't.

...but i digress. Individuals are weak emotional beings that are prone to kill... our animal nature. Sure enough our human[e] nature transcends this bullshit. But fear and hate and all that shit tied to all our subconscious efforts to stay alive must be addressed and overcome.

people are stupid and violent. GOvernments are smart and fantastic (hehe) but even then we can have a Dr. Strangelove scenario, conclusion, an armed society is not at all safer. I mean.. hmm I guess it comes down to the mentality we have.. i mean if we werent so fucked up and fearful we wouldnt even create guns, but we are - and we do, and there's only one thing to do with guns, outcome predictable. hmm I mean the GUn is not the issue, we are... having said that... goddammit fundamentally i disagree with any limitations of freedoms, so fuck yeah have guns, at the same time i believe that the majority of all populations are dumb fucks and prone to kill each other, no guns means no opportunity... again it comes down to the mentality of the peoiple, legality would change little probably as people who 'need' guns will still get guns.


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