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Government inaction on AIDS
    #5973260 - 08/17/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStor...showbyline=True

Could it be because AIDS is perfect for removing some of that excess population we've been hearing so little about?

I can't say I blame them.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
    #5973273 - 08/17/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

my boss at my current job is the president(?) (or chairperson or something....I forget the title....) of the whole UN AIDS thing. she's doing some HIV inspired art exhibit in switzerland in the coming months.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5973518 - 08/17/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

the government should put condoms on everyone having sex, that would make perfect cents... get it, make cents.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5973683 - 08/17/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

that somewhat casts a light onto hiv positive people as being a scourge of society, its not anymore, and that thought and false belief are part of the problem

perhaps it started years and years ago only in gay men and needle drug users, but it has spread far and wide beyond that scope into everyday life, to every day people. its so sad :frown:


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5973699 - 08/17/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Was reading an article about how if the gov't simply gave away HIV meds for free, it would cost them less in the long run than treating new infections. The meds can lower the viral load in the blood enough to greatly reduce the chance of transmission of the virus. While it's still not 100% safe to shag someone who's on the meds without a condom, it does reduce the risk greatly.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: kaniz]
    #5973704 - 08/17/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well then why not ALWAYS USE A CONDOM?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: kaniz]
    #5973785 - 08/17/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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kaniz said:
Was reading an article about how if the gov't simply gave away HIV meds for free, it would cost them less in the long run than treating new infections. The meds can lower the viral load in the blood enough to greatly reduce the chance of transmission of the virus. While it's still not 100% safe to shag someone who's on the meds without a condom, it does reduce the risk greatly.




that makes cents...

how much are AIDS/HIV drugs? fucking expensive

why?

because it's really fucking expensive for a drug company to develop and test them. They deserve to be able to recoup their expenses and make a profit. This is the USA, we're capitalists here.

Maybe if people wore condoms and used clean needles, they wouldn't be positive. For all those people that got AIDS from a toilet seat, they should get free drugs.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5973860 - 08/17/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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how much are AIDS/HIV drugs? fucking expensive

why?

because drug companies are fucking greedy and will sue anyone who tries to create generics. Maybe if the billionaires who owned these companies had morals and understood the value of life they would do more than just try and make a profit.





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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Placeholder]
    #5973969 - 08/17/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ignorant?

I've worked in pharmaceuticals and drug delivery.  There's a lot of money there, a lot.  There's a lot of ignorant people when it comes to drugs too, a lot. 

why would a company spend a billion dollars or more on developing a drug, only to give it away?

stupid shit people say...  maybe the oil companies should drive you around town for free too, out of the kindness of their hearts.

chances are good, someone you know will be saved by a drug that cost a lot of money to develop, would you rather not have new drug research?

fucking ignorant...  fucking ignorant...  If I say it twice, that means it true. 

When I'm old and my liver and lungs are shot, I'll be more than happy to buy drugs to keep me alive.  Thankfully, I won't have to worry about getting AIDS/HIV.  I'm not fucking ignorant enough to use a dirty needle or have sex without a condom.

:bongload:

that's a rant...  next time somebody quotes me, they better have something intelligent to add, not some liberal bullshit about how someone else is supposed to care about the fuckups of the world.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5973984 - 08/17/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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why would a company spend a billion dollars or more on developing a drug, only to give it away?





To pay back the millions they have scammed by selling them drugs for made up diseases?


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5973997 - 08/17/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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To pay back the millions they have scammed by selling them drugs for made up diseases?




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stupid shit people say... 
:bongload:





like heart disease and cancer and AIDS/HIV, all made up.  "the media" is getting paid billions to spread the word about these made up diseases.  Diabetes, ulcers, pain, blurry vision, all made up.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5974002 - 08/17/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

no shit, Placeholder is from canada...

no wonder you're confused, no one in canada gets cancer.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5974005 - 08/17/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I was talking about 'diseases' that just about everyone in the states are popping pills for, depression, add, adhd ect.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5974009 - 08/17/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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no shit, Placeholder is from canada...

no wonder you're confused, no one in canada gets cancer.



haha now you've got it!


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Placeholder]
    #5974027 - 08/17/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

oh yeah, those "diseases" like obesity, erectile dysfunction and alcoholism...

keep bullshitting yourself, those aren't even comparable to HIV/AIDS and most actually are treated with generics.


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Re: Government inaction on AIDS [Re: Nashbar]
    #5974215 - 08/17/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No, its the gov't foots the bill paying for the drugs, instead of the users of the drugs - the companies that spent money doing research/development on them, would probably still make out like bandits.

The cost to the govt for spending money paying for the drugs, would out-weight the costs of paying for treating people who cant afford them.

Also, by reducing the virual load in HIV+ patients, it reduces the risk of transmitting the disease to other people, in turn lowering the infection rate. While the study went as far as to claim "it'd create a self-contained quaratine" and reduce re-infection to near zero, I'm not as optimistic in the end result of doing such.

Either way, less HIV+ people = less strain on the system = less money being spent treating them. The cost of giving HIV+ patients the drugs for free (ie: the govt footing the bill) is less then treating those who are HIV+ but cant afford the drugs.

If it was simply a matter of "wear a condom" life would be much easier, but there are more complex issues tied into it than that.


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