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Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc.
    #5972896 - 08/17/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Just a bit of info here to start.
I'm 21 and I've been smoking weed since I was 13 so I am not inexperienced. I've also used mushrooms numerous times and acid once. but havn't tripped for a few years.
I've just seen the first pins on my first grow so I know I'll have lot's of cubes on the way. I also just aquired 4 ounces of Amanitas and 3g of 10x salvia extract. I'm looking forward to start tripping again and having some great expieriences.

Then a few days ago I read on these forums about how to make a weed "firecracker". Not knowing that I should only really have to use about as much weed as I normally would to get high if I was smoking(I get nicely high off 0.5g) I took 1.5g and ground it up and put it inbetween two crackers with peanut butter, baked at 300 degress for 20 minutes, let cool and ate it.

It really fucked me up big time. It was way more than I was expecting. During that night, I had the unexplainable urge to visit my old elementary school across town. It was pitch black and in this confused state I began to stumble towards my destination, going in cricles for hours and getting lost in neighbourhoods and forests, I fell many times in the dark forest and thought I would never make it.

In the end I didn't. I couldn't even find the place I had been to hundreds of times. I just totally had no idea where I was. I had also drank a few beers and vodka coolers along the way so this might have added to all this.

Then eventually I ran into some guys I didnt know. I had a 1 gram joint with me(I had brought it incase the weed I ate didn't work) and one of them gave me 3$ and we smoked it. I'm not really sure whether or not it had any noticeable effects as I was messed up as it is.

Somehow I made it home by 4am(I had left home at 10pm).

The next day I had to get up at 9am to drive to an appotiment I had downtown. I was still feeling really well, wierd. Like I was still stoned or something. I was having a really hard time concentrating and driving was actually kind of tough and scary.
As the day went, I seemed to be getting almost more and more stoned feeling.

Now it's the next day and I still don't feel totally normal.
I wanted to try another firecracker but only use 0.5grams this time, but I will to wait until I am feeling totally normal again. And I might have to wait until I have two days off again because if this shit lasts this long, holy crap. .__.

I'm also having second thoughts on whether or not I am ready to start tripping again.

Why did this weed firecracker have such an effect on me. Is this normal??

Should I give myself a break for a week or so before I take drugs again?

And any advice on my future tripping endevours, (A.Muscaria, Slavia and Shrooms), would be appreciated. How should I handle this?

We do these things because they are fun but also for so many other reasons. Reasons we can't explain. They teach us things.

Sorry if non of this made sense, I am still pretty shaken up somehow.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Wholefoods]
    #5973015 - 08/17/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah man that shit fucks me up. I've only eaten 1 firecracker with 0.5g of some DANK chronic...I didnt feel anything for an hour so I went to bed for the night...I woke up so fucking high the next day (about 8 hours later) the most high i've ever fucking been...i kinda want to try a gram and stay awake and see what happens.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Wholefoods]
    #5973070 - 08/17/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: Sounds like you got your money's worth on that one. :wink:


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Wholefoods]
    #5973096 - 08/17/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Your experience with ingesting cannabis orally was pretty normal. The effects are stronger and longer lasting, as you found out. The high can be every bit as intense as other psychedelics. Every time I have done it I have felt really lethargic and cloudy the next day. Its much easier to get a higher dose than expected with that mode of ingestion. I think I recall hearing somewhere that oral ingestion causes the THC to be broken down into active metabolites which act as kind of an auxillary to the initial high from the THC essentially giving almost double the potency of smoking but with longer duration. So it was like you smoked 3 grams.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Gopal]
    #5973131 - 08/17/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well ive tried firecrackers a couple times and both times i woke up stoned the next day. I would say theres nothing to eb worried about. One time I ate 2 1g firecrackers and when they kicked in i smoked 2 joints. Now i was pretty damn high but i would never compare it to and acid or shroom trip. Its nowhere near as intense visually or mentally.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5973401 - 08/17/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

1.5g of a fire cracker > 1.5g smoked, much, much, much greater.

The high takes much longer to come on, so people usually end up eating more thinking that nothing is going to happen, then BLAM, they are more fucked then they had thought possible from weed.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: kaniz]
    #5973432 - 08/17/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

haha. firecracker cracked your ass.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5973637 - 08/17/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I really need to try one of these firecrackers.

I have eaten 3 grams of weed before and plenty of weak to moderately potent pastries, and it certainly doesnt get me nearly as stoned as smoking the stuff would have gotten me.

Its interesting that the pastries were often more potent than the 3 grams of weed though they had way less weed in them.

Can someone actually tell me why heat potentiates weed when its eaten orally. I just never ran into that info before.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: yageman]
    #5973697 - 08/17/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

yageman said:
I really need to try one of these firecrackers.

I have eaten 3 grams of weed before and plenty of weak to moderately potent pastries, and it certainly doesnt get me nearly as stoned as smoking the stuff would have gotten me.

Its interesting that the pastries were often more potent than the 3 grams of weed though they had way less weed in them.

Can someone actually tell me why heat potentiates weed when its eaten orally. I just never ran into that info before.




It's not that heat potentiates it. The heat from the oven allows the THC to be activated the same way the heat off the flame from your lighter does when you smoke it. Instead of the THC being in the smoke and absorbed in the lungs, it is absorbed into the butter/oil/fat that it's being cooked in (because THC is fat [and alcohol] soluable). Then once you consume the THC it's absorbed in your stomache (and mostly small intestine). Effects are much longer lasting and can be much stronger.

I must say though, I made 2 firecrackers with .8g of mid grade herb ( a total of 1.6 ish) cooked them in the oven at 305* for 20 minutes and then ate them. I didn't feel any different the whole day after that. I haven't had a strong oral cannabis high ever, I'm not sure where I went wrong on the firecracker...I even added a little extra oil to the butter so it would deffinitly absorb.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: yageman]
    #5973706 - 08/17/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well generally you need to extract the THC into a form that can be absorbed by the body, since the plant material isn't efficient for absorption in that way.

so we heat it up to put it in something else, like butter, or peanut butter, etc.

anyway dude if you can think back on what it was like when you first got high, it's NORMAL even after just a bit of smoking to feel stoned and pleasant the next day, real relaxed and laid back....

so it's definitely normal to feel mucho after effects from an insane oral dose.

that's what cannabis does really. if you use it ONCE then you have a period of afterglow that lasts a day or so, and it may take a few before it *completely* goes away. this would be how you keep tolerance ultra low and keep from getting hazy/stupid from too much pot.

see when you use daily it's like, then that haze just lasts and lasts and lasts, and so you may be hazed out for a few weeks after quitting as you gradually become "sober" again, instead of being "sober" again within a day.

i'd certainly wait a bit before doing other drugs, just for you know... prudence sake.

whatever that means.

and by all means, oral cannabis is the WAY to go if you want to keep your lungs in tact....... you just need to have much lighter doses. it can be great to just have a mild body high that lasts a few hours while you go around town and chill out, really any high conceivable you can get from eating. i've always been in the sub "tripping" phase, though once i ate 3 firecrackers then smoked a bong and was pretty out of it, but they were weak crackers! my room was kind of neon green and i thought it was real neat.

but less is more. learn to respect the herb because she/he is very powerful and can take you to places you never thought possible.

that is if, you are going to use it at all. i'm not sure what cannabis's motive is, the last time i used it i just got the wrong kind of vibes from the place i left. it was sooooo deep, but it felt like i was entering death, like, not a good "plane" to be in....... like this would be what you do if you want to leave this body and start a new life or something.

in a past life i may have discovered the secret to cannabis and selected this current life i'm in now. it's a strange memory. so take cannabis seriously.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: leery11]
    #5973802 - 08/17/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

By potentiate I meant "makes it more potent"..... Marijuana is very active if you just simply eat a medium to large bud. So according to some people, heat it does "potentiate" it.

My guess was always that it is just more readily absorbed when heated, hits faster/harder. Your not changing the chemical by heating it...Its just more readily absorbed.

Thanks for the info.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (08/17/06 06:11 PM)


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: leery11]
    #5973932 - 08/17/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

well generally you need to extract the THC into a form that can be absorbed by the body, since the plant material isn't efficient for absorption in that way.




The active compounds aren't in the plant material, it's in the trichomes, the resin the plant secrets.
I was under the impression that heating the actives removes a ?water? molecule from the chain, allowing it to be more readily absorbed in the body.

More readily absorbed, not "If you don't cook it, it doesn't work"
I'm not arguing with you, about anything other than the actives being in the plant material, other than that we agree, I think.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Wholefoods]
    #5973937 - 08/17/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ya the first time i ate weed was at a reggae festival with the dude beatle and his gf....anyway, i was unaware how strong it was going to hit me. after a couple hours after eating my cookie i felt nothing. i was like what the hell, gimme another. they did not, instead they told me to stand up and walk around a bit. i stood up, then sat back down. didnt move from that spot for a good 5 hours. was obliterated for a good 12 hours. jesus christ. it is now my favorite way to enjoy mj, though i rarely get the chance as it is a huge commitment...


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Eraserhead]
    #5973948 - 08/17/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There are actives in the plant material(not only the resin). I though everyone knew that.

The best growers know alot about weed, and there is plenty of thc in the plant material. Plant material secretes the resin. Its not like it becomes thc when it exits the plant material. Thats just not logical.

Besides that, its a fact that the plant material contains plenty of thc.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: yageman]
    #5974022 - 08/17/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks guys! I really appreciate your responces.
I feel a lot better about the experience now actually that I know it was pretty normal.

Earlier tonight I drank 5 shots of vodka and smoked a gram with a friend .
Then later on while preparing some food I realized. You know what? I think I can handle my shit just fine.

So expect in the next few weeks most likely some reports A.Muscaria and Salvia trips. : D


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Wholefoods]
    #5974051 - 08/17/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

salvia will kick you in the balls and laugh at you. good luck with that one, shes a can be a real bully sometimes :grin:


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: wrestler_az]
    #5974054 - 08/17/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I know. I still need to find a good place to do it. .__.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Wholefoods]
    #5974062 - 08/17/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

lay down on a bed or couch.....and have a sitter. low lights, and low dose.....thats about all you can do to prepare.


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: wrestler_az]
    #5974069 - 08/17/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

God it's going to be insane. Wonder what it'll be like for me. = o

If I hold it in for more than 20 seconds is that even better?


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Re: Guys.. is this normal? Adivce, etc. [Re: Wholefoods]
    #5974091 - 08/17/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

hold it in for as long as you can. one decent sized rip of 10x from a bong should be sufficent. i would like to ephasize one more time to have a sober sitter. and good luck. i try salvia maybe twice a year just to remember why i dont do it so often. its very powerful, very fast, and very.....

.....weird.

the body high is out of control, to me feels like pins and needles. kinda like when your foot falls "asleep". but my whole body is like that, and gravity has a weird twist to it, down and to the right to be exact, pulling me down in a spiral fashion. and theres a "presence" a female, mocking me. laughing, teasing.....she demands a high level of respect. take off your shoes before entering her home.


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