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philipmulberry
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The Clear White Light
#5972624 - 08/17/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am kind of intrested in The Clear White Light experience. I've never experienced it myself, but I am really intrested in knowing more about what it is, what it is all about and if it is possible to trigger this type of experience. This is the reason for me starting this thread.
When refering to The Clear White Light, I am refering to the experience of awarness becoming aware of itself. For me it is not really that important whether psychadelics or meditation is triggering the experience, but I am kind if intrested in the possibility of the mushroom facilitating the process.
As far as I understand The Clear White Light (CWL) experience is not an experience that is easily "obtained", although it seems to me as though most people could under the right circumstances have it.
I have so far concluded that CWL is an experience that is very sought after in some religous schools. As for an example, those following the Bön tradition train rigoriously for many years, before ataining any CWL-experience.
Accordinly to some sources psychadelics also sometimes triggers this experience.
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leery11
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cannabis triggered it in me.
extreme moderation and respectful use.
i was just paying passive attention to my energy and it united in the navel, a upward half and downward half channel met there.
ploofo..... white light... huh? light disappears... whoa....... do it again... ploofo........ wtf? white light disappears.
each time it was harder to bring back i only stayed for a brief few moments.
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philipmulberry
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You can read more about what CWL is here: http://deoxy.org/annex/cwl.htm
Somewhere further down on that page is says: "Now, to bring the life force into power, listen to both tones simultaneously. It may take you about five minutes to hear both tones at the same time. Next, follow both tonal vibrations from the ears into the center of the cranium, where they will meet and blend into a slightly different sound, as two notes, say an "A" and an "E", blend into a chord. The energy of these two currents is then flowing in a circle, and you will enter the golden yellow light of the life force current. Play with this light and bask in its radiance, for in it is your bloom. The unfoldment progresses from a golden yellow to a clear white light. Should you see a blue light, know that you are in the thought current. If you see a pink light, that is the color of the body energy. Just disregard them and seek the white light, in the tone of the combined currents until finally you do not hear the tone anymore and you fully burst into the clear white light. Thus you enter intense experience of awareness aware only of itself, on brink of the Absolute. Samadhi with seed or consciousness, which is the culmination of this particular practice in contemplation."
If I understand this correctly, it is about merging two energies. Since I read this post ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5222490#Post5222490 ) by leery11 I find statement quite intresting, since it sounds to me as though they are kind of similar. leery11 writes: "it's even possible with marijuana.
when i was still very inexperiened i was sitting and running energy (first of all i think marijuana may be BAD for your energy if smoked so ..... this isn't really something for regular stoners to hope for) and i had two currents going up and down....
i united them in the middle of me and went into a flash of white light for about half a second, it disappeared the second i thought or remarked about it.
i brought it back 2-3 times, each itme a little harder and not particularly lasting as long."
Also about the color thing. The page at deoxy (http://deoxy.org/annex/cwl.htm) reads the following colors of importance, the golden yellow light = the life force current, blue light = the thought current, pink light = color of the body energy. In the book The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep, Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche writes that when going to bed one should practise visualizing first the yellow Tiglé, then the green Tiglé, the red one and then the blue one and then finally the Whitish-blue which is the CWL. Even though it doesn't matter in what order the Tiglés are visualized (of course the whitish-blue comes last though), the author mean that the colors in themself are of importance.
EDIT: leery11, didn't see that you had allready posted on this thread already :-D.
Edited by philipmulberry (08/17/06 12:15 PM)
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philipmulberry
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Not sure if this is quite what you are talking about. But, on LSD, I've had the 'pure white light' happen.
1st time - was laying on the couch, and started to feel a pressure building in my chest. Before me, it seemed as if a fabric in reality had torn and this pure-white light started to flow out from it. It felt like my body / chest was going to explode - but in a very good way. This didnt last very long / go very far. It was a tip of the ice burg
2nd time - 3 hits of really strong LSD. Sitting next to a river, I started to become aware of everything in my body - its like I was conciously aware of every cell in me - like I could visualize/plot them in 3D space. Every part of me that was able to proccess stimulation I could note. It started to feel like I was accelerating/vibrating. I curled up and cluched onto my ankles, and the world around me vanished behind a wall of blazing, pure white light. I could sense /everything/ about me - it was vibrating and condensing, I could feel me sort of condensing to a smaller, and smaller, and smaller point - and then it exploded, and I could feel all those 'points' of me that I could sense before, shatter and join into this neabulous cloud of gas / energy that makes up the world around us.
I was part of everything and flowing through it.
It is simply one of the most amazing expierences I have ever had on a psychedelic substance.
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Re: The Clear White Light [Re: kaniz]
#5973638 - 08/17/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Also about the color thing. The page at deoxy (http://deoxy.org/annex/cwl.htm) reads the following colors of importance, the golden yellow light = the life force current, blue light = the thought current, pink light = color of the body energy. In the book The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep, Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche writes that when going to bed one should practise visualizing first the yellow Tiglé, then the green Tiglé, the red one and then the blue one and then finally the Whitish-blue which is the CWL. Even though it doesn't matter in what order the Tiglés are visualized (of course the whitish-blue comes last though), the author mean that the colors in themself are of importance."
i think he said the colors are of importance, because the section on conscious sleep he said that the different colors correspond to different levels of awake/sleepful-ness.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: The Clear White Light [Re: leery11]
#5973679 - 08/17/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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ah.........one of the metatrons many gifts......
clear white light would seem to be the endth degree of: consciousness of consciousness of consciousness of consciousness and so on.......
It is an interesting idea. For those who know they have experienced what is referred to as the clear white light, can be pretty sure of its significance.
I find the color spectrum part of this idea very interesting.
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leery11
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Re: The Clear White Light [Re: yageman]
#5973736 - 08/17/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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if you have seen Waking Life, the African fellow speaks of a simultaneously perpetual surrendering, triggered by an initial surrender. and once ONE surrender is made, all surrenders are made in succession equally, leading to an emergence of holiness.
that to me is how the clear light was. not necessarily that it's "deep consciousness" more that, it IS consciousness, and all you have to do is be silent enough to let it manifest, then it does the rest for you... until you break the silence.
or as ram dass says in be here now........ it all depends on how long you can go without thinking, if you intend to go on a journey. Some zen nuns said something similar in a meditatoin class I took too.
The clear light to me was just feedback. If you learn to play the right notes suddenly they get caught in a feedback loop, and the feedback is light, and you don't have much say in it. But if you do say anything, it goes away.
the thing is, this experience for me was ENTIRELY energetic....... i have experienced a TON of darkness too, relating to lack of energy. so it's crucial to have the body's energy systems in order, and i think drugs can, when used too much at least, block and damage it.
i know cannabis really messed mine up because of the lung and throat damage done, and ended up habitually draining me every time i used it. but when it was just an occasional thing it sort of helped energy loosen up and flow though.
the first time ever stoned the first place i noticed it was in my lower stomach kind of floating around.
--------- but by all means if you want clear light you have to: not try. have some experience with energy or meditation.
simply pay attention to what is going on. i mean, meditatoin is an act of trying to be silent and trying to simply bear witness, but you don't try to try....... you don't sit down and say today i will attain nirvana you just sit down and say today i will sit down.
siimlar to how when i was high. i didn't have any goals i was just paying a lot of attention to how my energy was flowing while listening to music.
it's really a tricky path, clearly dangerous to abuse the drug, and if you are going to use drugs to get to this state you really NEED experience with something like yoga, tai chi, meditation, energy body work, etc. especially because the more experienced you are with these paths, the more you will know if you are causing damage to yourself or not!
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (08/17/06 05:57 PM)
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philipmulberry
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Re: The Clear White Light [Re: leery11]
#5975134 - 08/18/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks all for posting on this thread. I'm really interested in knowing more of this phenomena, so I find all posts really interesting!
About the colors Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche wrote (and this is taken directly from his book): - Sensory experience, Tiglé color, Tiglé direction, Tiglé location, Represents. - Vision, Yellow, East, Front, earth. Vision decreasing, Green, North, Left, air. Vision declining, Red, West, Rear. fire. Vision ceasing, Blue, South, Right, water. Vision absent, Whitish-blue, Center, Center, space.
He also writes the following: "The colors of the tiglés are not chosen at random. Colors affects the quality of consciousness and the colored light are meant to evoke particular qualities that are to be integrated in the practice, much as the specific chakras, colors and syllables form a progression in dream yoga. The different qualities can be experienced as we move from one tiglé to the other... ...to the extent that we allow ourselves to be sensitive to the difference" (p. 163)
leery11, the concept "simultaneously perpetual surrendering" sounds interesting, but nevertheless triggering the experience seems to be one hard nut to crack. However when I read your posts and in the book The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep, it do seems as though a slight altered state of mind is beneficial.
To me lucid dreaming and the psychedelic experience are kind of similar. There is a certain kind of quality that seems to be there in both the two of them. Also it seems to me as though that being actively passive in regards to stimuli (both external and internal) are a key in triggering the experience. Thus it is not about actually doing something, rather letting something that it already there blossom.
leery11 had success in observing two flows of energies and uniting them in the middle of you. Wangyal Rinpoche advocates a progress through the visualization of colors in combination with a deep rest similar (I guess) to that of sleep but more so to lucid dreaming. To different approaches that both seems to work.
Another source which I haven't touch upon yet it Dr Strassmans DMT: The Spirit Molecule. In this book there is this story about Dr Strassman helping one of his volunteers attaining the Clear White Light experience, by telling him to look behind the "curtain" of colors. The colors are a mere distraction, and when looking further/stepping through the curtain of colors/not focusing the attention on the colors but going beyond this experience happens more or less by itself.
Again there is this thing with colors and again there is this thing about not holding on to colors but "progressing through them" so to speak.
Edited by philipmulberry (08/18/06 03:25 AM)
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Quote:
philipmulberry said: When refering to The Clear White Light, I am refering to the experience of awareness becoming aware of itself.
You mean the experience of becoming self-aware, like birth?
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philipmulberry
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Re: The Clear White Light [Re: Land_Crab]
#5978703 - 08/19/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Land_Crab, no not really self-awareness. More once own awareness becoming aware of itself. I figure that being self-aware is kind of once awareness being "confined" by the ego, so to speak; i.e. I think, I witness this, I like this or that, this is being self-aware. But when once awareness becomes aware only of itself, it is not in relation to a concept, or really anything at all. It is only awareness of awareness itself. So it is not awarenss about (identification) the person (your self that would be) having the experience.
This is what I think it is. I haven't had the experience myself though; not as far as I can remember anyway.
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The experience is like, cough, orgasm. It is a mental, physical, spiritual perfection that you WORK for and suddenly, wonderfully, attain. Sure, you can have the illusion of perfection by lowering your standards with depressants until you could be a happy bum in the street, but to experience this you must be in shape in those three areas, you have to accept that the whole truth is: you are going to die, and then you decide to do that in perfection. And so, the Book of the Dead is actually the Book of the Dying, since we are all dying, it is the Book of the Living. Manage your trips like you manage your ideal life. Satisfy YOUR principles. Nirvana.
Incidentally, Kurt Kobain had the right ideas, he just never acted on them. Don't make that mistake.
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