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NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional
#5972621 - 08/17/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit/index.html
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(CNN) -- A federal judge on Thursday ruled that the U.S. government's warrantless wiretapping program is unconstitutional and ordered it ended immediately.
In a 44-page memorandum and order, U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor, -- who is based in Detroit, Michigan --struck down the National Security Agency's program, which she said violates the rights to free speech and privacy.
Taylor's ruling stems from a case filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. According to The Associated Press, Taylor is the first judge to rule the eavesdropping program unconstitutional. (Read the complete ruling -- PDF)
The defendants "are permanently enjoined from directly or indirectly utilizing the Terrorist Surveillance Program (TSP) in any way, including, but not limited to, conducting warrantless wiretaps of telephone and Internet communications, in contravention of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and Title III," she wrote.
She further declared that the program "violates the separation of powers doctrine, the Administrative Procedures Act, the First and Fourth amendments to the United States Constitution, the FISA and Title III."
She went on to say that "The president of the United States ... has undisputedly violated the Fourth in failing to procure judicial orders."
The lawsuit, filed January 17 by civil rights organizations, lawyers, journalists and educators, "challenges the constitutionality of a secret government program to intercept vast quantities of the international telephone and Internet communications of innocent Americans without court approval."
The judge rejected the government's argument that the program is within the president's authority, according to the AP
Just another example of an impeachable offense to add to the evergrowing list.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: 1stimer]
#5972672 - 08/17/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm sure NSA headquarters pulled the plug, and sent everyone home!
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: 1stimer]
#5972794 - 08/17/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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This will be old news by tomorrow. It's insignificant news now.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Gijith]
#5974981 - 08/18/06 01:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why the Fuck would the ACLU agree to a 'stay'(continue ease-droping) until they can appeal?
Next court date is in Sept i think
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#5975521 - 08/18/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Something tells me that this is simply a front, to make it appear to people as though they will stop spying. Seems that the NSA does nothing but spying and gathering intelligence, and that they will continue to do so in secrecy, as they pretty much always have.
We have a right, as human beings, to privacy. People fear what others might be doing with their privacy and wish to control that, so they seek to invade privacy. Fuck them. 
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#5975604 - 08/18/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ShroomDr said: I'm sure NSA headquarters pulled the plug, and sent everyone home!
I see that Bush is totally against this ruling stating "Americans don't understand the world we live in now"

I have to be honest..I voted for Bush. I don't agree with him on this one though.
p.s. I hate this forum.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
#5975707 - 08/18/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I voted for bush, I would hate this forum too. It must suck being bombarded with truth for a change.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
#5976040 - 08/18/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I see that Bush is totally against this ruling stating "Americans don't understand the world we live in now"
I have to be honest..I voted for Bush. I don't agree with him on this one though.
I also voted for Bush and it was a huge mistake. Bush turned me into a liberal.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5976528 - 08/18/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: If I voted for bush, I would hate this forum too. It must suck being bombarded with truth for a change.
Smugness is an enemy to the exchange of information.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Konnrade]
#5976789 - 08/18/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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so what does this mean.
they declare it unsconstituional, is not the only logical thing to do, to uphold the constitution, is to shut these operations, and the people who support them, down?
arrests? is it just a token, what good does it do if they do not intervene and force cessation?
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: leery11]
#5977036 - 08/18/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bush is convinced the courts do not matter. They can rule whatever they want, he has the authority based on 1 or 2 passages in the constitution. The other 9998 passages are IRELEVANT.
Perhaps a fifth grade style ass-kicking, errr Civics lesson about the THREE branches of govt is in order
Instead of "My Pet Goat"
OR, how about some presidental grade 
Ah, much better,
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#5978035 - 08/19/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bush is convinced the courts do not matter. They can rule whatever they want, he has the authority based on 1 or 2 passages in the constitution. The other 9998 passages are IRELEVANT.
Au contraire. Of course he knows the courts matter, but ultimately the Supreme Court matters the most.
When this issue moves up to the Supreme Court, this ruling will be overturned. The decision will be explained in lengthy legalese as still Constitutional based on some legal yet stretched interpretation. The decision will cite precedent from the phone call records disclosure ruling from 30 years ago. And of course it will describe how the Patriot Act has expanded wiretapping powers so this eavesdropping just becomes the legal exercise of those expanded powers. Etc.
Another 5-4 ruling by the new Supreme Court. This one would have gone 5-4 the other way a couple of years ago. Of course Bush cares about the courts and their make up. The Supreme Court judges are generally there for life too, let's not forget.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: LunarEclipse]
#5978360 - 08/19/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ah. were pretty much going to disagree on this one.
Lincoln suspended 'Habeas Corpus' illegally in my mind, and i believe Bush will invoke the exact passages for NSA eavesdropping.
Lincoln was dead before anyone called him on it...
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#5978601 - 08/19/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have to agree to keep the wiretapping because they have found many terrorists with it already. They aren't out to get you and listen to your petty phone calls. They have already caught terrorists planning major attacks on the US with wire tapping. If your not doing anything wrong it shouldn't effect you.
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first of all..can you provide an example where illegal wiretapping has prevented a major terrorist act in the US..besides the laughable miami 7 and holland tunnel "plots"..which were obvious fakes?...
second of all..the classic fascist mantra that "those who do nothing wrong have nothing to fear" is only true when its up to the courts to determine if you have done anything wrong...by your neocon logic..your automatically guilty if the executive branch or the military says so...
third of all..nobody objects to wiretapping terrorists..but again the executive branch cannot be allowed to arbitrarily deem someone a "terrorist" without some legal standard of probable cause beyond their own selfish interests and impulses...
fourth of all..any terrorist worth their salt would assume that their communications are being tapped anyway..which leads me to believe that that this and other aspects of the repugnican "anti-terrorist" agenda are directed against the political opponents of the repugnican regime rather than against bona-fide terrorists...
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I still haven't seen any proof that those terrorist plots that were uncovered were fakes. Your assertations of this are nothing but laughable assumptions.
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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5978856 - 08/19/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.alternet.org/story/38700/
i guess its not a "fake" if you want to define a "terrorist plot" as a loose series of rants...it might also behoove you to watch keith olbermann ..
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5976370/an/0/page/0
and neither have the neocons themselves been able to demonstrate its effectiveness ..
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenew...C1-ArticlePage1
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Democrats questioned whether the program has been effective, saying the administration has shown no evidence that terrorist plots have been disrupted by its use.
if you have some of that evidence..then im a bit curious...
Edited by Annapurna1 (08/19/06 04:27 PM)
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Have we had a terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11?
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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5979279 - 08/19/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you are going to lash out against the bush administration for wiretapping suspected terrorists?
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Re: shill... [Re: Rebirtha]
#5979310 - 08/19/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uhhh, no. Why would I do that?
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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5979345 - 08/19/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Have we had a terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11?
That's like me saying this rock in my hand scares away tigers. It must work, cause I don't see any tigers around here.
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Re: shill... [Re: Rebirtha]
#5979483 - 08/19/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Evan said: So you are going to lash out against the bush administration for wiretapping suspected terrorists?
no..but i will lash out against the bush administration for presuming that anyone is a "suspected terrorist" purely by executive fiat..and subject to wiretapping (or worse) as such...by that same logic..the bush administration could simply declare you to be a bankrobber and throw you jail without involving any judges..courts..or lawyers...
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So, those terrorist plots that were stopped don't count as "tigers"?
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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5979594 - 08/19/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if karl rove says its a tiger..then its prolly at the very worst a pussycat...
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Rebirtha]
#5981571 - 08/20/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Evan said: I have to agree to keep the wiretapping because they have found many terrorists with it already. They aren't out to get you and listen to your petty phone calls. They have already caught terrorists planning major attacks on the US with wire tapping. If your not doing anything wrong it shouldn't effect you.
It may not be intended to affect most americans, but it can and will be abused if allowed to continue. Being used to collect information about political opponents is a definite possibility... It's not like political parties have any qualms about illegally gathering info on those who oppose them. The watergate break-in is one of a few good examples.
Also, think of the kind of terror that HUAC would have wreaked upon innocent people if it was coupled with the kind of spying that the NSA is capable of today.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: 1stimer]
#5982856 - 08/21/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The issue is not about if they can wiretap terrorist suspects or not, they can, simple. Its whether the rule of law applies, and if there is oversight.
Even if you could demonstrate a case where a terrorist was able act because the courts were not fast enough, then the law needs to be updated. In the UK they can apply for a warrant retrospectively, but they must do so with 72 hours.
Without oversight there are no checks and balances. Without these I can imagine a program, expanded year after year (thats what government programs do, expand)
Or maybe the argument is that no branch of government other than the executive can be trusted, or that no one but the executive can be trusted? Best keep a close eye on everyone in that case.
Edited by psilomonkey (08/21/06 01:38 AM)
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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5984928 - 08/21/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: So, those terrorist plots that were stopped don't count as "tigers"?
google video terrorstorm ?
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