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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5979345 - 08/19/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Have we had a terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11?
That's like me saying this rock in my hand scares away tigers. It must work, cause I don't see any tigers around here.
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Re: shill... [Re: Rebirtha]
#5979483 - 08/19/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Evan said: So you are going to lash out against the bush administration for wiretapping suspected terrorists?
no..but i will lash out against the bush administration for presuming that anyone is a "suspected terrorist" purely by executive fiat..and subject to wiretapping (or worse) as such...by that same logic..the bush administration could simply declare you to be a bankrobber and throw you jail without involving any judges..courts..or lawyers...
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So, those terrorist plots that were stopped don't count as "tigers"?
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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5979594 - 08/19/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if karl rove says its a tiger..then its prolly at the very worst a pussycat...
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: Rebirtha]
#5981571 - 08/20/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Evan said: I have to agree to keep the wiretapping because they have found many terrorists with it already. They aren't out to get you and listen to your petty phone calls. They have already caught terrorists planning major attacks on the US with wire tapping. If your not doing anything wrong it shouldn't effect you.
It may not be intended to affect most americans, but it can and will be abused if allowed to continue. Being used to collect information about political opponents is a definite possibility... It's not like political parties have any qualms about illegally gathering info on those who oppose them. The watergate break-in is one of a few good examples.
Also, think of the kind of terror that HUAC would have wreaked upon innocent people if it was coupled with the kind of spying that the NSA is capable of today.
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Re: NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional [Re: 1stimer]
#5982856 - 08/21/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The issue is not about if they can wiretap terrorist suspects or not, they can, simple. Its whether the rule of law applies, and if there is oversight.
Even if you could demonstrate a case where a terrorist was able act because the courts were not fast enough, then the law needs to be updated. In the UK they can apply for a warrant retrospectively, but they must do so with 72 hours.
Without oversight there are no checks and balances. Without these I can imagine a program, expanded year after year (thats what government programs do, expand)
Or maybe the argument is that no branch of government other than the executive can be trusted, or that no one but the executive can be trusted? Best keep a close eye on everyone in that case.
Edited by psilomonkey (08/21/06 01:38 AM)
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Re: shill... [Re: Redstorm]
#5984928 - 08/21/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: So, those terrorist plots that were stopped don't count as "tigers"?
google video terrorstorm ?
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