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On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body.
    #5954014 - 08/11/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have a problem that I have been trying to understand and have only recently been able to start formulating into words. It has to do with tension and anxiety. I believe that I have a certain base level tension in my body that is always there. I can never actually fully relax, I am always a bit on edge. Whether I am enjoying myself or not doesn't matter. In fact the only thing that has ever made any difference to this is the intake of certain substances. Now it started with alcohol about four years ago. I only recently realized that with alcohol I was able to relax beyond my base level tension, albeit for a short time until the intoxication wears off. Mushrooms have a similar effect only it lasts longer, at least several days after a trip. Nicotine, which I only recently actually tried, also has these effects. Very pronounced for a few minutes and then leaves me at a level slightly lower than my base line for a day or so after I have a cigarette. When I say very pronounced I mean that while I am smoking the cigarette, after the nicotine hits me I am so relaxed I feel like I'm going to melt through the chair.

Now, I can obviously get past this base line tension with the help of certain substances, the question is why I can't figure it out without them. It is my theory that anything we can do on drugs should be available to us without the drugs with enough mental training. This aught to be easy, since all I want is one effect that I have found in all drugs I have tried except perhaps caffeine. I must be able to emulate this effect and find a way to always stay under this base line of tension. Yeah, I hear you all screaming meditation, and you might be right. But I have tried that a lot with no real success. Although I have been able to get very relaxed during a meditation session it doesn't in any way help me maintain this beyond that. I am constantly tense and stressed about nothing in particular, I have trouble falling asleep because I can't relax then even. I am 24 and I still have acne since my late teens. The reason that last one is relevant is because I have only been able to affect this by relieving any extra stress or tension. But just like the tension, I can only bring it down to a certain level, never under that. Now whether these are closely connected or not isn't of much importance, the tension is what this post is about.

Can anyone shed any kind of insight into what this base line tension can be about and why drugs do such a great job at relieving it temporarily. Keep in mind that this spans long before I even had my first drink of alcohol at the age of 20. Mushrooms about four months ago for the first time and nicotine about a month ago. Also excuse the long post, if you have read this far I have to express my appreciation and gratitude that you might help me with what is a hard nut for me to crack.

PS. I did ask the mushrooms for advice on my last trip but either I missed the answer/guidance or it's still being formulated somewhere in my mind :wink:

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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: thatsoweird]
    #5954034 - 08/11/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i know exectly what you mean!

nicontine doesn't help though...
what you want to achive can come with meditation but you'd have to be VERY good to achive that state all the time, you must first start with your muscles... stretch, felx and learn how to breath right!

i can only achive this state of relaxation after dancing/moving for at least an hour, slowly it has to build up untill all your body is warm and receptive...

i'll go into this later though and let others reply in the meantime.


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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: thatsoweird]
    #5954051 - 08/11/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Just get used to it. Dont try to self medicate because that will lead to way more truoble then its wurth.

Being on edge is a part of life. You got to be. Its encoded into our survival plans. I never fully relax either unless im drugged up. When your drugged up you end up like a sitting duck so to speak, your motor skillls get fucked up your reflexes get shot out. Whats the benefits of that?


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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5956918 - 08/12/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the replies guys, I appreciate it. I'll try to spend some more time on meditating and see what I can learn.

As for getting used to it, I can see what you mean. I just think I could be more relaxed, I agree with what you say about it being how we are wired. Only I think I am more tense than that. Also I still believe in self improvement, I guess the only question is if improvement actually can be made here.

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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: thatsoweird]
    #5957125 - 08/12/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah i don't think we are made up to be fully relaxed all the time. But there are levels and if you feel your anxiety is high its ok to do something... meditation is great and i would recommend exercising, whenever i come out the gym i feel so relaxed, i achieve same thing after swimming... just use all that tension in something that make you good then you'll feel reliefed :wink:

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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: AngeloWish]
    #5957139 - 08/12/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

just a little bit added. one school of thought that i personally agree with is kind of that natural tension is supposed to be there, just meticulously put in its proper place.
the body parallel is that all the muscles should be "active" (you're feeling all the muscles, all the muscles are ready to move) but disengaged (loose, not tense).

going back to the mind i've come to the conclusion that my anxiety is there for a good reason, its just a matter of how well i intergrate into my normal life.

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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5958613 - 08/13/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That's some great advice again, thanks! I hadn't thought of exercise in this problem. I do exercise usually once a week, but sometimes twice. I'm starting to see a game plan here. What I'm thinking is if I start meditating for twenty minutes every morning after I get up. Then up the amount of exercise to three times a week to get rid of any excess energy/tension. Combine all this with an increased intake of living foods (fruit and veg) which I have already been doing lately. Basically put it all together into a routine that I can follow easily. That's just what struck me now, I will work on a more definite plan and I'll post it here.

In the mean time I appreciate any other input, you guys are great. This plan of mine will take some time to show any results.

Thanks!
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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: thatsoweird]
    #5960293 - 08/13/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Take every chance you can to do an extended outing with lots of physical activity.

Don't be scared.. just go for it. For example, when I go swimming, I will swim for atleast about an hour - no stopping, just going. Sure, it's hard, but the relaxing effect of it is great. If you can manage even longer than that - good! =) Chances are that you will be a little more tense after the workout, but your ability to relax as time goes on is there.


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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #5961099 - 08/13/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i didn't read this all but if you think it is related to your body then yoga is an excellent solution.

you are right we can do it with mental training. i was chanting "Ohhhh" for 40 minutes friday night, eyes closed, and began to get STONED it was the essence of stonedness at the end of the session, and i didn't want to move, i was like "should i get up...... no" "well should? .... no" i just kind of sat in it... it was nice.

it wasn't super stoned or ripped but wow, it's quick progress! some definite alpha going on.

toning/chanting is great.

yoga is great too. now i haven't been stoned in 4 months so i mean, to get that feeling chanting "ohhhhhhh" was pretty superb.

i proceeded to order some books on toning and i think one was called "the yoga of sound"

see the voice is really neat. by utilizing it properly you train your brain into the essence of YOU by expression of the voice, and this can bring about a lot of changes depending on what you are doing. there are different mantras, and different vowels correspond to different chakras.

OHHHH is supposed to utilize the root. i didn't get much effect while driving, but eyes closed sitting in the nighttime some OHH chanting got me feeling relaxed, a tiny bit sleepy as if "narcotic" and a definite sensation of a bit of a stone.


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Re: On relaxation and the effects of certain substances on the body. [Re: leery11]
    #5971302 - 08/16/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Make sure you breath correctly... chanting for 40' + can get you pretty dizzy / "stoned" for many reasons.


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