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Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland
    #5971109 - 08/16/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Alright so I found these near a friends house. He lives sorta in the country, lotsa fields around him (with horses, bison etc.) Wasn't growing in the fields with the animals though. There was a small stream somehwere surrounded on both sides by some trees. I would say it was growing a couple meters away in some really grassy/moist soil. Not under the cover of the trees though, more out in the open. Pretty certain they arn't active. To begin with they didn't bruise blue, plus when I picked them it seems like the stems (which were hollow) broke off in a very "thready/strandy" way....which doesn't remind me of the stems I have from the P. cubensis I grow at home. (I assume most psilocybes have stems of similar "composition").











Habitat: Very rural area. Many livestock fields around. Couple of meters from a small stream in the grass.

Gills: I'd say the color is pretty much gray...Not free

Stem: White, hollow, composed of "threads/strands", VERY slighty wider towards the base.

Cap: Brownish/beige....slighty hint of yellow?? (Check the pictures I guess). Also, hours after being picked they start to turn white from the center of the cap outwards, due to it drying out, I suppose.

Spore print: Havn't had time to get around that yet....

Bruising: Not blue bruising, but at the base where they were picked the stem changed from pure white to a slightly beige color.

Location: French/Swiss border area.

thx in advance


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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5971238 - 08/16/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

conocybe coes to mind - the stem is very similar to a conocybe


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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5971254 - 08/16/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

they look kind of like psatheryllas too...


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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: Jim]
    #5971398 - 08/16/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would lean toward Pstherylla.


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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: psiclops]
    #5972294 - 08/17/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I realize I'm lacking a spore print, which happens to be a quite important piece of information, but nobody can get closer than just the genus?


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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5972337 - 08/17/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I think it is Psathyrella hydrophila, check out these photos from google:

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q="psathyrella+hydrophila"


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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: CureCat]
    #5972349 - 08/17/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm ya might very well be. Problem is there's a large variety of photos there. Some look WAY off, some look very similar.

In one of the pics google found the caps were sorta 2 colored, beige in the middle and then an outer circle of darker brown. (Similar type pattern as Pan. subbs). The specimens I have are showing that now too, but I thought it was actually just as a result of having picked them and drying out...


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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: Jim]
    #5972448 - 08/17/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

some psatheryllas i have found:



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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: Jim]
    #5972850 - 08/17/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would also say psathyrella. Here's some I found early last fall.





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Re: Id request for mushrooms from Switzerland [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5973276 - 08/17/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Problem is there's a large variety of photos there. Some look WAY off, some look very similar.





This will be the case with every species.  Different conditions, and genetic traits cause for a wide variance in phenotypes (physical appearance or expression of alleles).  I felt the same way about trying to identify specimens when I began hunting, and even now, with new species i find, it is often more difficult to designate specific ID's, but becomes easier with experience- finding the same species in different locations with different traits, and comparing images of the suspected species in order to get an idea of it's ranging characteristics.

The way I do it, is, once i have narrowed it down to Genus, I then do searches within the genus, and look at many different species, writing down the names of the ones that look closest to the mushroom in question.  I then take the list, and search the web for more photos of each species, and look more carefully at each of the macroscopic features, growth conditions, and locations, to make a match.

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iamyour_messiah said:
In one of the pics google found the caps were sorta 2 colored, beige in the middle and then an outer circle of darker brown. (Similar type pattern as Pan. subbs). The specimens I have are showing that now too, but I thought it was actually just as a result of having picked them and  drying out...





What you are describing is referred to as Hygrophanous.  This is common of many mushrooms, especially psathyrella, so try not to use that as a major indicator of species within this genus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygrophanous
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The adjective hygrophanous refers to the color change of mushroom tissue (especially the pileus surface) as it loses or absorbs water, which causes the pileipellis to become more transparent when wet and opaque when dry.

When identifying hygrophanous species, one needs to be careful when matching colors to photographs or descriptions, as color can change dramatically soon after picking.

Genera that are characterized by hygrophanous species include Agrocybe, Psathyrella, Psilocybe, Panaeolus, and Galerina."


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