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InvisibleSwami
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Tracking Implants - The Next Control
    #597107 - 04/02/02 11:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It seems that the FDA just approved, or is poised to approve, the use of tracking devices for human beings. These have been used in dogs and cats for years as a way of identifying the owner of a stray. A rice-sized electronic device is implanted under the skin and information contained in the device can be retreived with a scanner.

Now the first use of these devices in humans is being sought as a way to help Alzheimer's patients who may get lost or wander. It won't be long before the humanitarian purpose is lost. The people in power are literally salivating over this and will find subtle ways (weeding out terrorism?) to introduce these to the society-at-large (read: sheep).

If that happens my friends, our few remaining liberties will be gone. This may well be the Bible's Revelation or George Orwell's 1984 come to pass.

Stay vigilant!


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #597150 - 04/03/02 12:40 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I would like to add that the the newer devices being worked on are smaller and will be
able to be implanted with a hypodermic needle. Couple this news with reports that
the HHS director has also floated the idea of mandatory vaccinations and you've
got very troubling possibilities.

We've got two things to help us combat tyranny, freedom of speech and the right to
keep and bear arms. Bill Bennet and the other neo-facists, err I mean neo-conservatives
are doing their best to combat the first amendment, while all the 'liberal' nanny statists
are doing their best to 'protect' us from the evils of lawfully bearing arms by eviscerating
the second amendment.

But we shouldn't worry, it's all for our own good. We're always told that we live in a
democracy and that's the best form of government because the people always have a
say and we'll always be in control of the government. Just look at how well democracy
worked in the Weimar Republic, it gave the people what they wanted, a democratically
elected socialist who strived to make his country the greatest...


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #597156 - 04/03/02 12:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You should read the Tripods Trilogy by John Christopher (The White Mountains, the City of Gold and Lead, and the Pool of Fire). Those books describe in horrific fiction the future reality of "tracking" devices in humans. Worse than 1984. Makes you wanna have kids, huh?


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #597560 - 04/03/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Something's going to give soon. The dam will break and the weird will rise up and take the throne. All we need is for the authorities in this police state to go just a little too far...

then WHAMMO!!!
The streets will run red with the "blood" of the dogmatists.

Well... if I had it my way.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: ]
    #597573 - 04/03/02 01:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

We've got two things to help us combat tyranny, freedom of speech and the right to keep and bear arms.
True - for now. But we have already lost Religious Freedom (entheogens) and the Freedom from illegal search and seizure. The WOD is eating away at the fabric of the Bill of Rights.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #597578 - 04/03/02 01:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ofcourse, this isn't a surprise to anyone who reads The Holy Bible and neither is it anything to fear for them, because before the new "religion" is forced on the inhabitants of Earth, His [God's] people will be brought up to Him. Vanishings coming soon.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #597596 - 04/03/02 02:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"And he causes all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark"

Yup, sounds about right. I'm actually worried. Really worried.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: CACA]
    #597622 - 04/03/02 02:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

CACA:
"...because before the new "religion" is forced on the inhabitants of Earth, His [God's] people will be brought up to Him. Vanishings coming soon."

Huh, how's that? Is this in reference to that 'rapture' concept? If so, where in your holy bible does it mention this? Why should I believe this?

The meek shall inherit the earth, just look at the mass graves at Auschwitz.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #597643 - 04/03/02 02:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Its part of the Illuminati's plan for the New World Order.. a one world government where all of the citizens can constantly be monitered in a cashless society of credit.
I heard something a few years ago about how they were trying to pass a bill that would require everyone to get similar implants in their hands which.. every time you walk through the door of an official building or wherever they wanted to scan people.. it would scan the microchip in your hand and they would know everything about you.. how much money you had on credit.. who you were.. where you have been.. etc.. It didn't get passed.
Their plan will fail


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: ]
    #597659 - 04/03/02 03:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

every new century or end of every century bring the fear of the "end of the world..."

So whats the difference now?

I've heard that a lot of religious text dicuss the next few years as being very important bench marks in existence.... So what do poeple say will happen?

A lot of this stuff came up a while ago in Shroomism posts about Alien contact and the rotation of the planet Nibiru....

Swami I've seen a lot of your dicussions about drug use and I've seen how you can debunk a lot of peoples ideas -- I'm not being bitter I'm just pointing out that you use very good logic when creating your beliefs instead of just jumping on band wagons like a lot of people seem to do......

So where do you stand on religious stories like the End of the world? -- If the question sounds extremly general thats the point---Its for anyone to answer and I'm just looking for peoples thoughts

I know Shroomism is busy these days with his book and all but just like I enjoy to see Swami's two cents I love to hear shroomisms.......

Does anyone really think we would submit to having implants -- Sure the Gov't might start with criminals and move along like that, but don't you think there is a line you just can't cross without a society turing its back on its leaders.... No one wants that kind of control put over them...
I mean how much will people put up with?

If the Gov't starts wanting me to carry around some kind of I.D. card or get some surgical implant for tracking I'm screaming Shinanagins..

No one knows enough about the point of Existence to start placing trackers in everybodies heads......



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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: ]
    #597666 - 04/03/02 03:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Their plan will fail.
So far it is succeeding quite well with everything on track.

California just passed a new law that if you are stopped without driver's license or registration, the police can search your car for drugs and weapons.

Everyone that goes through the airport is submitting to an illegal search.

Much of your personal / financial history is readily available to those who know where to look.

A few years back, many marijuana cultivators were busted when the Feds looked through the sales receipts of legitimate hydroponic outlets. More unreasonable search and seizure...

25 years in prison for a few plants or mushrooms? How much more repressive does it need to be to be considered a success?

Freedom of Speech? How many major magazines have done a negative article on the WOD?


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: SofaJesus]
    #597675 - 04/03/02 03:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So where do you stand on religious stories like the End of the world? -- If the question sounds extremly general thats the point---Its for anyone to answer and I'm just looking for peoples thoughts
I threw the Revelation reference in just for fun. The trouble with Bible Prophecy (or any other religious prophecy) is that it doesn't predict anything. Something earth-shaking happens and THEN people try to find a corresponding passage in their scripture of choice.

The End of the World must first be defined. The end of humanity, America, capitalism, a specific race or culture?

Many people though WWI and WWII were end of world scenarios. Of course it was for those who were killed.

Direct answer to your question: No, I do not believe the religious stories. Will mankind continue ad-infinitum? That question cannot be answered. We are steering hard towards self-destruction, yet there are counter forces of good at work - such as The Shroomery! Even if we truely learn to cooperate, an errant asteroid could wipe the petri dish clean.





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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #597796 - 04/03/02 06:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Swami: If you believe that the government does not have our best interests at heart, and that they really are trying to tighten their control on us, what do you think is the reason behind this? I really would like to hear your view on this. I am trying to figure out why a society would evolve in this way.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #598325 - 04/04/02 08:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So far it is succeeding quite well with everything on track.

Perhaps.. but they are a far shot from where they would like to be right now. Yes maybe they do control 85% of the US population through subtle and some not-so subtle means of brainwashing and/or subliminal messaging. Yeah maybe we lost all our rights somewhere along the way and no one even noticed. But more importantly than this is that these are their last ditch efforts to maintain control of their population. I predict that in the next year;
A. It will get worse - The people will rise and strip them of their power
B. It will get worse - They will admit what they are doing to everyone
and/or C. There will be a pole shift and the survivors will be so pissed that their government never told them as they are snug away in their underground mountain cave, the government will lose all power as they will have no means to control the people with. CIA..huh? What's an IRS?


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: SofaJesus]
    #598332 - 04/04/02 08:24 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sofa, if you even knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't ask Swami about end-of-the-world speculation- thats not what the united world in worship of humanity is about. The implementation of a system in which every human can have his cake and eat it too MUST happen and WILL happen AND ALOT faster than what you THINK it will happen.

If you don't want to believe the Holy Bible because of your childish American rebellion, ask the Mayans about it. You may even want to ask Uri Geller since alot of Christians don't like him, not including myself.

People of true faith believe these things, live their lives and continue living them before and after Earth-shaking events with faith in God, without so much fear for their souls, doing the most they can to better themselves to care for their brothers and sisters and waiting for the day when Christ returns.

If the impending implants don't help you see, what will? Jesus Himself spoke and said:
"You believe me because you see me, but blessed will be he who believes and has not seen me."
Certainly these implants are something so blatant, yet so many non-believing people would have to be so perfectly jaded that even these very flagrant prophecies would go unnoticed and/or ignored. Seconds have passed after you read this and you are in a new time always, so do something. This kind of event reminds of when environmentalists warn governments and wonder HOW anyone could pull the rug right from under their OWN feet!

WW1 and WW2 were predicted by the Bible. The people who were killed in those wars, if they did believe the world would end, know better now, are merely on the other side waiting for judgement just as we are here, and wishing they could have done something more, because no matter how much a person can do, no man can stand in the face of God without fear.
The question isn't about being fair. The question is about what will happen and what IS happening and what always DID happen. Whether you understand it or not isn't *quite* enough to keep the planets from turning.

There is global outreach to believers and non-believers alike, and many people turn from the word of God.
Remember that there will be a day when you will WISH someone would tell you about God, but no one will be there to tell you about Him.

This isn't the only prospective prophecy fulfillment we have seen, it may just be the latest and very well may be the most obvious. haha

As far as the rapture goes, there are many books and movies telling of that particular event, all tools to help a person understand its undying truth. God says that he will come "..like a thief in the night.." when no one expects Him to come to " ..harvest.. " his people. Do you know that these people will not experience death? hah Those people who are caught up in the rapture will not die a worldly death. It isn't that hard to read the Bible. If you want to know, the best thing for you will be to read it. The Bible can't hurt you, whereas just about everything -if not everything- else can. There are many books containing prophecies, but the one you will want to read is Revelations, as I'm sure almost every American knows.

John 3:36 has a pretty important message itself :

"Whoever believes in the Son has everlasting life: and he that does not believe in the Son will not see life; but the wrath of God is on him."

Yep, its pretty simple.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: CACA]
    #598352 - 04/04/02 09:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Uri (hey look over there while a bend this spoon with my bare hands) Geller?


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #598361 - 04/04/02 09:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

AKA the man who many governments sought out for help? Yes.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: ]
    #598363 - 04/04/02 09:21 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

They will admit what they are doing to everyone...
I applaud your youthful naivete. Politicians admitting their sins? Not on your life. The only time they admit is when they are caught stone-cold and even then...




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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: CACA]
    #598367 - 04/04/02 09:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Assuming you can back that up, let's do the standard syllogism:

A. Con-men can fool people.
B. The government is made up of people.
C. Con-men can fool the government.

Very simple.


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Re: Tracking Implants - The Next Control [Re: Swami]
    #598369 - 04/04/02 09:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Back what up?


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