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OfflineVelocity92C
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What to do with my last cake....
    #5970286 - 08/16/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've got one cake left out of 6 from my first batch. I cased 2 of them in plastic cups and am fruiting 3 straight from the cakes. All cakes were dunked, except for this one.

The problem I have is that it's been colonizing for 4.5 weeks and has had about a 1 square inch hole on the bottom that isn't finished yet. It's been at a standstill for over a week now, and I can see little brown spots towards the top that look like fruits about ready to come out. Another one of my cakes grew a mini mushroom about an inch long yesterday so I want to get this guy out of here quick. My question is, how should I do it? I'm thinking about dunking it, crumbling it up in a shallow metal tray I have (about 4x7) and topping it with 50/50 verm/peat.

How should I go about doing this? Do I crumble the cake up with my hands or put it in a ziploc? Does the ziploc need to be sterilized with anything? Does the tray? The 50/50 mix? Is it worth it to even case 1 cake in a tray that size?


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5970291 - 08/16/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, and should I even worry about dunking ? I didn't know if that mattered when you cased. Does the top layer need to be moist? I pretty much have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to casing and am not following any specific tek.


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5970318 - 08/16/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

what size jar?


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5970356 - 08/16/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i think it would be worthwhile to look at some casing teks just to get a general idea of whats going on. then you can make your own informed decisions on what route you want to take.

all that aside, casing a cake is not a bad idea, and can lead to some great yeilds and fruits.

to answer some of your questions:

crumbling in a ziploc works great, and no you do not have to sterilize the bag (unless of course its dirty for some reason). just use a new one out of the box.

the container you use should be clean, meaning take the basic steps to ensure there is nothing dirty in there. also i would try to find something other than metal (or foil) as the myc has been known to eat right through. plstic works wonders.

your plan of using 50/50 will be fine. for my casings i now lay down a layer of moist verm on the bottom, followed by substrate, and finally casing mix. ive heard that the moist verm is optional, but in my opinion wont hurt to give your casing a little moisture boost.

other than that, check out some teks and/or grow logs to fill in the gaps. there is plenty of info out there on exactly what you are describing, so i urge you to check it out.

after all, you will learn so much more if you put in the time and effort of researching and learning, then having everything handed right to you, just my opinion.

good luck with your casing though, i hope your grow goes well. :thumbup:


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: darkbuster]
    #5970389 - 08/16/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the reply - truth is I read most of the day on the shroomery, learning and experimenting. I do ask my share of questions but I do my share of reading too.

The reason I posted this one was because I've got to make a decision on this tonight, and like I said I'm not following any specific tek, just trying to use the materials I have to get this cased. I had read about the myc eating metal, and never planned to use a metal bin for a casing but all I have are see through plastic containers, and no electric tape to cover the sides with so I thought about sliding on the metal this time.


Ahh.. just went looking in my kitchen, I have a bowl about 4 inches wide, plastic and non see through. That'd be fine, right? Also, should I dunk the cake or not? It's about 95% colonized, with that one patch on the bottom still.

imtank it's a 1/2 pint jar.


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5970457 - 08/16/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

im glad to hear that you actually did do some searching, as this is quickly becomming a rare thing these days with some people.

as far as the container, you have some options. i would personally go with the plastic, weither it is opaque or not. i say this because when you incubate the casing for 2-3 days prior to fruiting, it will be in a darkened environment anyway. because of this you can wait a few days before making a trip to your local hardware store, and actually taping up the side to make it pin on the top only once you go to fruit.

if all else fails, metal pans will work fine, i just happen to stay clear of them. also, i assume the bowl will work fine, if you do decide to use it.

since you are on a tight deadline, i can offer the steps i followed to acheive my casing. depending on the height of your container, you may need to adjust depths accordingly.

lay a half inch layer of verm on the bottom of container, and spray until moist.

crumble cake in ziploc bag, then spread evenly over moist verm.

cover with sterilized casing mix, depth should be 1/4 that of your substrate, so with one cake that will be not a whole lot. dont go overboard.

cover with foil, poke holes for air exchange, and place in a warm dark evironment to incubate until you see first sings of myc.

fruit.

thats essentially it in a nutshell. granted, this is extremely simplified, but since you are on a tight schedule, its what i can reccommend. also you should have all these materials on hand ready to go.

oh and as far as dunking, you can do what you wish. im a beleiver that the cake should have enough moisture in it already to carry out its first flush, if you followed the tek correctly. but then again if its been sitting stalled for 4 weeks it may have dried out. if you have the time dunk it, it certainly wouldnt hurt. all up to you though.

good luck :cool:


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5970461 - 08/16/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would dunk it, yes.


Oh, and you don't need a bottom casing layer, it really serves no purpose.


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Edited by MustardMan (08/16/06 06:38 PM)


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: MustardMan]
    #5970558 - 08/16/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I ended up swapping out the plastic bowl for a completely black glass bowl. Put some verm on the bottom, cooked it in the oven for a few minutes, sprayed it down and threw the crumbled cake on it. Covered it with a real short layer of 50/50 and wrapped it in foil, poked holes and threw it in the incubator. The cake appeared to be retaining plenty of moisture so I won't dunk it. I did dunk the other 5 though. Thanks so much for your help! One quick question, should I spray the casing layer at all or leave it dry? How long should I wait before checking for myc growth?


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Re: What to do with my last cake.... [Re: Velocity92C]
    #5970663 - 08/16/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Velocity92C said:
I ended up swapping out the plastic bowl for a completely black glass bowl. Put some verm on the bottom, cooked it in the oven for a few minutes, sprayed it down and threw the crumbled cake on it. Covered it with a real short layer of 50/50 and wrapped it in foil, poked holes and threw it in the incubator. The cake appeared to be retaining plenty of moisture so I won't dunk it. I did dunk the other 5 though. Thanks so much for your help! One quick question, should I spray the casing layer at all or leave it dry? How long should I wait before checking for myc growth?




I know its a hassle, but you really should have dunked it :smirk:

You should give it a nice heavy spray down after applying the casing layer.


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Edited by MustardMan (08/16/06 07:30 PM)


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