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HighGuy
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Wire Detector
#5968104 - 08/15/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've read a ton of posts in various forums in this site where people recommend getting wire detectors. This interests me, just because I am paranoid as hell about a lot of things. Even when helping friends out getting them some bud. I found a few sites that sell them but does anyone have experience purchasing these, some just look like gimmicks to be honest? Anyone have a reputable site?
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USMCamputee
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Re: Wire Detector [Re: HighGuy]
#5968178 - 08/16/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Find some books by sheldon charrett (sp?). It has been some years since I have been up on that kind of stuff, but yes you can detect surveillance equipment. There are two basic types. Hardwire, and radio. Hardwire, if piggiebacked on a conventional phoneline is easy to detect via voltage because your landline should be at 38volts. If it is at any other level your landline discussions are possibly being listened to. Hardwires that are simple audio bugs will be harder to detect, but all you have to do is find the wire(s). They will run to straight to the source(s). Radio stuff you can detect with certain equipment, as it scans for radio frequencies, I remember PK Electronics out of Europe making the best stuff, but this was years ago brother.
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USMCamputee
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OK, I see PK isn't in the surveillance/counter-surveillance game anymore.....I wish I knew more, but I don't.
If you live somewhere where PBX phone technology is still prevalent, you might just find yourself hardwire tapped due to the simplicity of it. With 2600 technology I think its a little harder to hardwire because of the nature of the beast. I really don't know that much about this kind of stuff, I used to be up on it, but that was just so long ago. I reccomend the above man, I know he used to write, and make gadgets, and might still be in the game, I believe he works out of the U.K.
Edited by USMCamputee (08/16/06 12:11 AM)
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Re: Wire Detector [Re: HighGuy]
#5968235 - 08/16/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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they don't need a wire to get you. it helps but they don't need it. i was in county last summer with a few guys who got nailed for "helping friends out getting them some bud". in none of our cases did the informants wear wires. two of the guys were in there for sales that went down behind closed doors, to criminal informants, without wires.
if you're worried about it, don't sell. unless you're from the slums, you have too little to gain and too much to lose.
if you must do it, take every precaution of an international spy. use drop boxes. don't talk about drugs in person.
i'm not going to address your question directly, but here is what i came up with after having a long time to think about it. it's a strategy for making clandestine exchanges.
you have to be completely insulated from the exchange. you do this by using a deniable dead drop. let's say you have someone you want to make exchanges with. here's how it works.
the wilshire method of selling things on the black market and never getting caught:
1. the first step (actually the second - more on that later) is where they communicate what they want. they give you an email (to which you don't respond) or leave a written note under your door or in your mailbox. nowhere special, just a place you'd always look whether you were up to something or not. prices have been worked out beforehand. they must provide the note in a manner by which you can later deny receiving or understanding the note. use some kind of code language. after you get the note, make a mental note of what they want, then discard or delete the note. at this point, there is no way anyone can prove you have done or have conspired to do anything illegal. you got a strange note. so what?
2. the next step is the actual delivery. again, this has to be done in a way that is anonymous and deniable. this is where the deniable drop box comes into play. you place the items they want in a hidden place which the receiving party is not aware of. don't leave any forensic evidence on the package or its surroundings. if you do this part smoothly, no one can prove anything against you. (and do make sure none of your drop boxes are in school zones. check the laws here.)
3. now they must have a way of finding out where the items are so that they may retrieve them. this is the part where you expose yourself to the most risk. you are telling them where you hid the stuff, and if you don't do this part right and they can prove you told them where it's hidden, and they go and it's there, that's pretty good evidence against you. a pay phone might be a good line of communication if there are enough around. encrypted computer communications could work better. if you are able to communicate the location of the drop box in such a way that this communication cannot be traced back to you, there is still no criminal case against you at this point.
4. now they retreive their items and make payment. this can again be done in the same manner as the first step. they must leave payment in a place you would normally look and find things (not a secret drop of any sort). i think most people would gladly accept cash slipped under their door, so again this proves nothing.
everything here is worked out beforehand, before any deals go down. it's worked out once. they understand the lines of communication and how everything works. you take the person to a closed location, unknown to the person beforehand, they are searched for wires, and then you agree on how it's all going to work. this is the last time you ever speak in person about drugs with them. everything else goes on behind a cloak of deniable, anonymous communications and drop box deliveries. the arrangment involves only minor inconvenience once both parties have the hang of it. never deal with "friends' friends" either. these people are narcotics officers. any case made by a criminal informant is a million times weaker than one made by narcotics officers.
of course, they could still pick you up randomly while you were heading to a drop box or maybe use all this activity for a search warrant. if you are the one actually sitting on the drugs and moving them to the drop boxes, the system doesn't sheild you perfectly (if at all). if you have a very solid partner to hold onto the stuff and move it to the drops once you've made anonymous, encrypted communication with him or her, then you've got yourself an uncrackable little drug ring of two right there. there's really no way they can get you without someone slipping up. you could sell crack and meth to john walters himself and they could never prove a case against you.
from their end things would look like this:
1. they left you a note asking for what they wanted. they can't prove you got the communication or understood its meaning. 2. then they got an anonymous communication describing the location of a drop box. they go there and they find what they asked for. they cannot prove you sent the communication or placed the items in the drop. 3. they pay you. they can't prove you understand what the payment is for.
the real kicker is you have a partner, in which case:
4. they never observe or catch you carrying drugs, going to drop boxes, or making communications about drug transactions.
the point is that doing it like this, the cops could be watching you, and they still couldn't get you.
just some thoughts. sorry if i know nothing about finding wires other than running your fingers through someone's hair and having them strip.
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Re: Wire Detector [Re: wilshire]
#5968252 - 08/16/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with the "just don't do it" philosophy.
and none the less sound advice from wilshire.
I agree that LEOs rely mostly on informants, the FEDs might go the distance with elaborate electronic surveillance equipment, but your local JBTs probably won't bother with that much hassle.
As stated above by wilshire, (and case study will show that 9 out of 10 times) they use a wired individual if any electronic equipment is to be used at all.
Edited by USMCamputee (08/16/06 12:31 AM)
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> Hardwire, if piggiebacked on a conventional phoneline is easy to detect via voltage because your landline should be at 38volts.
Eh? Typo, me thinks... In the US, line voltage is 48Vdc while ring is minimum 40Vrms at around 20hz.
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