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Trichocereus trial and error
    #5967766 - 08/15/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I wanted to share a friend of mine experience with trichocereus and ask for you’re to share yours. First attempt was with a 12’ cutting of Peruvian Torch. Having read that most of the interesting alkaloids lay just beneath the skin. The cacti was despined, skinned and cut leaving all but the outer 1/4” then dried and powdered, attempting to consume as little plant material as possible for maxim effect. This had no effect as it turned out. The second attempt was successful this was with a 12” san Pedro peeling, freezing, chopping, crock pot cooking overnight, straining for a second extraction and boiling down to a cupful. This had a very nice effect lasting about 12 hours. The only problem with this method is that it taste ungodly bitter like 10x expresso
The third attempt was with San Pedro this time distilled water and vinegar in each extraction. The final product was boiled down then poured in a purex pan and cooked at 225 f to a tar. The resulting tar was then cut with putty knife into small bits a coated with powdered sugar and stored in a freezer. The bits were easily swallowed with no bitter taste. This method is messy and time consuming but the finished product is easy to work with. The downside to this method is that it seems to slow to take effect 2 hours + . I will post full trip report on this method. Please post your favored methods of consumption.


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Re: Trichocereus trial and error [Re: mjgecko]
    #5967828 - 08/15/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So far I had the best effects after just slamming about a full blender of liquid from a 12" San Pedro cutting. If you're gonna do this though, it helps to have some chips or a joint or something nearby to alternate with swigs of the stuff. It's a little rough. If memory serves me correctly I think I froze the chunks overnight and then thawed them out the next day before blending it. Not sure if this had any impact on the effectiveness. I'll probably try the tar method or encapsulating next time.


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Re: Trichocereus trial and error [Re: mjgecko]
    #5970325 - 08/16/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Friend says effects with this method were very strong an 18” cutting was used for this exercise. It was a full 3-4 hours before the first effects were felt. This is a much preferable method of ingestion over drinking. Not to many people was to try that a second time. Mescaline is like a really good movie that just last to long, over 12 hours. It would be a little more ideal if it lasted about 6 hours. Towards the end of the trip he wanted to rest but could not because his skin was crawling. Towards the end of the trip the colors of the normal world looked kind of bleached and spent. Dose anyone else experience diarrhea after Trichocereus ingestion? Oh well, I suppose it’s these small problems that has kept these cacti available and should continue to do so as long as people are responsible with it.


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Re: Trichocereus trial and error [Re: mjgecko]
    #5972514 - 08/17/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"I wanted to share a friend of mine experience with trichocereus and ask for you’re to share yours. First attempt was with a 12’ cutting of Peruvian Torch. Having read that most of the interesting alkaloids lay just beneath the skin. The cacti was despined, skinned and cut leaving all but the outer 1/4” then dried and powdered, attempting to consume as little plant material as possible for maxim effect. This had no effect as it turned out. The second attempt was successful this was with a 12” san Pedro peeling, freezing, chopping, crock pot cooking overnight, straining for a second extraction and boiling down to a cupful. This had a very nice effect lasting about 12 hours. The only problem with this method is that it taste ungodly bitter like 10x expresso"

I've said it time and time again, so here's once more, now with a bit of support by the original poster.

If you're looking to grow a cactus that you will trip on, or just buy one that you will trip on, do *not* *not* *not* buy peruvian torch cacti on the internet. Yes, they are often quoted as being stronger. No, those quotes are not referring to the cacti you are actually getting. They are speaking of the ones on peru, also called peruvian torch, that look muuch more like t. macrogonus. These are the ones that are made into "incense" and sold as dry stuff in the states. *Not* the same as the live "peruvianus" that you can buy online in the US. Those are generally the kk242 variety, also considered t. cuzcoensis by many. These are essentially *bunk*.

So buy some bridgesii, pachanoi, macrogonus, or even others to experiement with. And just keep in mind that if you buy a "peruvianus" you do not know what you're getting. No one does. The topic is still up in the air, and no one really knows for sure what a real peruvianus even is. But to me, what seems to make the mose sense is that T. Macrogonus is the "peruvianus" that dry skin is made from, very strong. T. Cuzcoensis (kk242 and such) is the stuff that is grown so much in the states, and sold as "peruvianus" live cacti in the states. It is useless, unless you want pretty cacti, in which case it is quite pretty (but still not as pretty as a macro if you ask me :smile: ).


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Re: Trichocereus trial and error [Re: mjgecko]
    #5974509 - 08/17/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Mescaline is like a really good movie that just last to long, over 12 hours. It would be a little more ideal if it lasted about 6 hours.




I dunno. Call me crazy but I suppose I like long movies. I find that sometimes the tail ends of trips (after peaking) are the most enjoyable parts. Crazy visuals are great and all but I've gotten some good visuals while coming down too. Plus, it's a good time for reflection during that afterglow. Mescaline just gives you another couple hours of that I guess. So, hell, I enjoy it.


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Re: Trichocereus trial and error [Re: truffleupagus]
    #5974539 - 08/17/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If the movie is good, I dont mind when its really long.

LSD was always one of my favorites because it lasts so long.

Mescaline to me just seems to be a more subtle but longer movie.
A really freaking great movie.

Personally, I feel psychedelic effects for about 19 hours, and the after effect is pretty amazing after that when it come to mescaline.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Trichocereus trial and error [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5974820 - 08/18/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Koaka,

What you’re saying is very interesting. I had assumed that the 1st attempt failed because not enough plant materiel was consumed I only consumed the outer ¼” under the skin. The mescaline content may be higher there but it only came to about 5-8 grams dry weight. The second and third attempts with san Pedro all of the plant material was used including the core! ,Minus spine and skin.
Your post has prompted a "trip" to the local library that has a great selection of cactus books. There is precious little information about the potency of Trichocereus species. There is no information about potency of other mescaline containing species out side of Trichocereus and Lophophora (yes they do exist). This is a shame with so many scientific types out there with too much time on their hands.
Regardless of potency incense sold on the net is to be avoided because of the legal issues. Cacti sold as a living plant discourages careless use. It’s the incense that may cause Trichocereus to become illegal.
I did not mean to imply that mescaline was an unpleasant experience. But for the average person with obligations and responsibilities 12 hours plus with out sleep and some recovery time is allot to set aside.


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Re: Trichocereus trial and error [Re: mjgecko]
    #5975457 - 08/18/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The library wouldn't have the information you want. Pick up K. Trout's San Pedro book online. Bouncingb.com has it.

Secondly, the fact that your outer skin only weighed in at 8grams is relevant too. Even at an almost fictional peak potency of 2.0%, that's only 160mg of mescaline, probably not threshold for many people. Potency generally seems to be 1-1.2% with the dry stuff I've heard of, with 1.5 or so being an abnormal high. Even if you did by some slim chance get a very powerful cactus, I think there wasn't enough skin. Low doses for good skin seem to be about 25g. Interesting, but not worth further experimentation if you would need to buy more questionable "peruvianus".

And I couldn't agree more with your stance on dry stuff on the net. However, one or more of these peruvian suppliers sells seeds in extremely cheap bulk (the same genetics making their incense). PM me if you want the seed source.


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