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InvisibleAsante
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True or False?
    #5966706 - 08/15/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)




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True or False?
You may choose only one


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InvisibleAsante
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Re: True or False? [Re: Asante]
    #5966719 - 08/15/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In the next stage of escalating subversion, here's a quote (and appropriate footage) I lifted off the movie V for Vendetta.

Like Bush says: "we don't nuance in Texas" I decided also not to nuance in the poll.

"People should not be afraid of their government - a government should be afraid of its people"

-bam!- that's the one-liner, no nuances in place.
What's your choice?


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Re: True or False? [Re: Asante]
    #5966763 - 08/15/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i would have chose true, if this was the 1960's, but i'm choosing false because every government has brainwashed its people into trusting the government and following their orders


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: True or False? [Re: MysticalMattH]
    #5966792 - 08/15/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That and the fact that for the first time in history the government controls weapons that can take out its people with a push of a button. 100 years ago, the citezens could take up arms, 1000 years ago, even easier. Now, we are up againsts tanks, planes, tacticle nukes, war ships, submarines, etc etc etc. What does the common citizen have? Assault rifle and small explosives AT BEST. Or like in my country(canada) hunting rifles.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: True or False? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5966800 - 08/15/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would also like to add, that our government no longer depends on us as a work force. They can easily outsource jobs in an instant. If we have big business on our side, then maybe, but we all know the answer to that.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: True or False? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5966811 - 08/15/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A govt that does not fear it's people has no reason to allow them liberties.


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Re: True or False? [Re: Asante]
    #5966883 - 08/15/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A government should be run by the people for the people. Their shouldnt be a reason for the people to be afraid of their government however the government should be afraid of the people, because the people can vote them out.

However in a world of modern media manipulation and single issue voters who would vote a candidate because he supports or doesnt support gay marriage,abortion,war etc. Then we have serious problems.

Also i would like to know who voted false so they could explain their positions.

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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: True or False? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5966886 - 08/15/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's why they are being taken away SLOWLY, so they don't have to deal with any significant resistance.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: True or False? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5966893 - 08/15/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do the words civil disobedience ring a bell? Remember it's you who feeds the government with your money and the works you do.

If the majority of people are fed up (lol fed) with a government it will wriggle and coil to please, because the people are its life's blood.

The Chinese almost had such a thing happen with the Tianamen Square protests of 1989 (if you're in mainland China this page will not display properly as Google and Yahoo have sold out and censor your Internet) where a protest started among students, but was soon carried by more and more people from all walks of life.

If the people really get fed up with the government, you can get a moment when the armed forces choose to side with the portesters. This happened in China, where soon platoons of soldiers marched along with the students and housewives. There was almost a situation where the army stood down despite orders, only broken by fresh troops unaware of what was really going on.

A step beyond that you can have the situation where entire military forts and bases openly distance themselves from the centralized government and take the side of the people. Then the power falls from under the government, and arrangements can be made to elect a new everything, elections monitored by UN peacekeepers collaborating with the US military.

Don't think the people have no power, on the contrary they have all the power. Civil disobedience blew up british rule over India, it blew up American Segregation policy, it blew up Apartheid and the Berliners storming the Wall, and beating the shit out of it with hammers and axes in front of the camera, basically not just tore down the Iron Curtain, but made the soviet empire fall, something all americas nuke threats could not do.
Please note the absence of violence from the civilians.

You can't outgun an army.. But you can break the spell that army is under, and force them to choose sides.


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Re: True or False? [Re: Asante]
    #5966897 - 08/15/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Originally I said "true," but now that I think about it...

A government that fears its people would probably want to spy on them, and suppress any opposition. Dictators are the most paranoid people on earth. They're always trying to figure out who's plotting against them(someone always is).

As for the people, the problem isn't that they fear the government, but rather that they're apathetic towards it. They shouldn't fear the government, but they should be suspicious of it.


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Re: True or False? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5966903 - 08/15/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

alpharedecho said:
That's why they are being taken away SLOWLY, so they don't have to deal with any significant resistance.




theres nothing "SLOWLY" about king george...this is a classic case of throwing a frog in a pot of boiling water and it just sits there and boils to death...i guess you could call it the madness of king george...

and BTW..great movie...


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InvisibleHank, FTW
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Re: True or False? [Re: Asante]
    #5967165 - 08/15/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Do you remember what happened at Tianamen Square? The army massacred them.

I do agree that if MOST of our population were fed up, and threatened violence, even willing to die in revolution, then the government should be scared. The reality is, most people in North America and Europe are far to comfortable and materialistic, to jeopardize it by revolting.

Never in history have such large portions of countries, lived so well.

So I could also argue, that since we are living so well, why would anyone even want to revolt?


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: True or False? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5967571 - 08/15/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alpha has hit it on the head. Too comfortable, too lazy. Look around. All the revolts and political upheavals happen where the population is struggling.

In the West, people just want to live what short life they have. I don't doubt everybody on this board can understand that to a degree especially if they look within themselves and examine their actions they personally have taken against their own government. It is an understandable yet unfortunate common experience...


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Re: True or False? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5968499 - 08/16/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly.....The government will have to take away MANY of my liberties to get me to risk MY life to fight it. You may call me a coward, but ask yourselves the same question, and try to answer truthfully.

As long as the masses have money, food, their houses, and nice things, change will not happen. That's why I think we live in very interesting times, I believe we are due for a massive recession based on peak oil, outsourcing, etc. When people start going hungry, then we will see a change.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: True or False? [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5969878 - 08/16/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If it aint broke, don't fix it.


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Re: True or False? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5970106 - 08/16/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If the sand is comfortable, keep your head buried in it.


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