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Need help identifying this...there's a picture
    #5965848 - 08/15/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone got any idea what this mushroom is? I didn't pick it, its off the net, but I need to identify it for a paper I'm writing about evolution, shamanism, culture etc.

Anybody got any ideas of its name, where its indigenous to, whether it grew in Europe (particularly in paleolithic - neolithic times - how you'd know all this is beyond me), what properties it has, that are potentially beneficial to mankind, whether it has psychotropic properties etc, its general dimensions etc?

just a name would be a big breakthrough for me.

finally any other specimens look similar to this - partiularly the head or cap, the stippled , noduled effect?

many thanks to anyone who replies.



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Re: Need help identifying this...there's a picture [Re: noelgan]
    #5965862 - 08/15/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So you found a picture on the net that didn't list genus/species?

It looks to be an Amanita.. as far as what exact species, I wouldn't want to guess just with that pic alone to go on.

If you want to write a report about a specific mushroom, you can search the internet for it, there are plenty of other pics out there.

Is the report supposed to be on entheogenic mushrooms, such as Amanita muscaria and the history of use in Europe or something?


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Re: Need help identifying this...there's a picture [Re: eris]
    #5965877 - 08/15/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

cool. I can look into it from there.

I thought they looked like toad stools but I suppose that's just the fly agarica ones.

are most of this subdivision poisonous/psychotropic?

thanks for the quick reply.


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Re: Need help identifying this...there's a picture [Re: eris]
    #5965892 - 08/15/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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eris said:
Is the report supposed to be on entheogenic mushrooms, such as Amanita muscaria and the history of use in Europe or something?




You are probably interested in looking up the names, Amanita muscaria also known as the Fly Agaric.
There are many look alikes, but if this is strictly for an essay, the one you are liekly interested in writing about is as listed above.

The most recognizeable of A. muscaria are the red ones... there are also orange/yellow variations as the one pictured above, and even a white variant.

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    #5965896 - 08/15/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

take note- if you find this mushroom in the wild, do not assume it is A. muscaria, there are many deadly poisonous look alikes.


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    #5965934 - 08/15/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

could be A. Regalis.

the mushroom I'm looking for has hopefully been around for thousands of years, particularly in Europe.
I think Amanita is the right track.

are their many other warty headed fungi?

In answer, to an early question, its about the origin of man, how culture developed etc. so yeah. Its just I think I figured out/ or am beginning to figure out a piece of the puzzle that even the experts haven't.

I'm aware of McKenna and Wasson etc.

I think I've interpreted a bit of evidence everyone's missed.I'm consequently a bit excited.

need to find a mushroom that looks like above picture that has ritual use for mankind.

can regalis or Amanita types be used in a beneficial way?


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Re: Need help identifying this...there's a picture [Re: noelgan]
    #5965947 - 08/15/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

just found this on wiki:

This mushroom is psychoactive although it is not related to Psilocybe species as many presume, has been used as an entheogen in rituals to communicate to the spirit world, largely in Siberia, with some reported incidents elsewhere in the northern hemisphere. Mesoamericans never consumed fly agaric for religion, but instead use Psilocybe. Psilocybe and Amanita are not chemically related with regard to their psychoactive properties and therefore produce markedly different psychoactive effects.

The active ingredient is excreted in the urine of those consuming the mushrooms, and it has sometimes been the practice for a shaman to consume the mushrooms, and the rest of the tribe to drink his urine: the shaman, in effect, partially detoxifying the drug (the sweat- and twitch-causing muscarine is absent in the urine). This was also not an uncommon practice in Siberia, where the poor would consume the urine of the wealthy, who could afford to buy the mushrooms [1]. If a fly agaric is eaten, it is usually not fresh, but in its sun-dried form, where the hallucinogenic chemicals are more concentrated (ibotenic acid converted to the more stable and far less poisonous muscimol).

I wonder if this could be done with regalis, or does fly agaric sometimes resemble the above picture?

maybe if its young? remember, only interested if it looks like above and was found in ancient europe.

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Re: Need help identifying this...there's a picture [Re: noelgan]
    #5966297 - 08/15/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You are 100% talking about Amanita muscaria, :smile:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/ scan down this page and there is a "History" section

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circa 5000-3000 BCE : The earliest evidence of Amanita muscaria use as an intoxicant is based on linguistic analysis of languages from northern Asia. Around 4000 BCE, the Uralic language split into two branches, both of which contain similar root words for inebriation. In some of these languages the root "pang" signifies both 'intoxicated' and the A. muscaria mushroom. These linguistic similarities suggest (but do not prove) that A. muscaria was known to be intoxicating before the languages split around 4000 BCE.1

circa 1000-2000 BCE: Petroglyphs along the Pegtymel River which drains into the Arctic Ocean in north eastern Siberia "depict anthropomorphic figures with mushrooms appended to their heads."2 The Pegtymel river area is currently inhabited by the modern Chukchi culture who are known to have used A. muscaria as a traditional inebriant.




500-0 BCE: Rg Veda hymns, a set of sacred stories from India, include mentions of a magical intoxicant called Soma. In 1968, R. Gordon Wasson published the controversial book Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality, speculating that Soma refers to Amanita muscaria.

100 AD: 7.5 cm high miniature statue of an Amanita muscaria dated to 100 AD found in Nayarit, Mexico, suggests A. muscaria may have been in use in coastal Mexico. Many other sculptures from Central and South America depict the ritual use of other psychoactive plants and mushrooms.

circa 0 - 1800 AD: Some Scandivian historians believe that Viking 'Bezerker Warriors' ingested Amanita muscaria before going into battle. Wasson writes

    "No one who discusses the fly agaric in Europe can ignore the debate that has been carried on for almost two centuries in Scandinavia on this issue. First Samuel Odman in 1784 and then Frederik Christian Schubeler in 1886 propounded the thesis that those Viking warriors knows as 'beserks' ate the fly-agaric before they 'went beserk'; in short, that 'beserk-raging' was deliberately caused by the ingestion of our spotted amanita." (Soma page 341)




Im pretty sure that link will have more than enough info, I especially like the story about how its linked to Christmas and reindeer. :grin:

That picture is an Amanita, but there isnt enough info in the picture to completely identify it to a species level. None of the other amanitas fit the historical description you are looking for other than Muscaria.


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Re: Need help identifying this...there's a picture [Re: Feelers]
    #5966615 - 08/15/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Check out this post - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5961667/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD

A guy from Siberia who just found some amanitas, :grin:


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