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2859558484
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: truekimbo2]
#5971612 - 08/16/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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me and a buddy split 2 ounces of viridis and a pinch or two of syrian rue, got us trippin hard and good. (shrooms added in the brew)
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thedudenj
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: 2859558484]
#5971747 - 08/17/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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ha ha yeah like whats been said for some reason i can rarely pure and my experiences suffer due to that but im also now at a level where i dont need to take it all i have to do is meditate i really only use it with other people and if a group has it one person can purge for the whole group. its tricky ayahuasca is not a drug its clearly magic it involves putting your soul into it when ever i make it with my friend who is a druid it has a green and red glow and when taken the green and red glow can be seen. this is off topic but does any one have any experiance of what im talking about with glows for it or seeing glows as in poeples auras and energy?
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: thedudenj]
#5971857 - 08/17/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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truekimbo2...what maoi plant did you use? That is a pretty important part of the ayahuasca preparation. 20-25 grams of mimosa is nothing but dmt and certain un-named alks. SOme of which are possibly maois....Thats why that dmt plant works to some slight degree without an maoi.
to EquilibriuM :::: I wouldnt mess with extracts just for the sake of learning about how to make your own brew. Its an accomplishment if you really learn to "get it", regardless of the plants you are using.
Use rue seed if you want to learn a thing or two about maois. 5 grams of rue can be pretty hallucinogenic by its self.
I only suggested viridis because, besides mimosa that is all I ever felt I needed. Im sure chaliponga is a great source for dmt.
Learn how to make a brew from plants. I would not recommend an extract. Considering how far rue and viridis is from the traditional method that is. Using rue and viridis is the golden mean.
I have often eaten 3.5 grams of rue over a period of about 1 hour. Even that is highly effective if you chew it VERY well.(bread and water inbetween swallows)........
Sounds crazy I know, but its one way to have a long lasting ayahuasca experience.
In my experience it sticks to the gut resulting in a long lasting oral dmt experience.
There are just so many ways to do it..... Just add 9-15 grams of viridis 30 min. after, to test the waters. Even that amount could be WAY more than you expected given the wide range of viridis potency.
Your brew doesnt have to be only one brew. It can be two, taken at different times. Its not the traditional method, but it can be more than intense, and depending on the plants that you use, the most intense experience doesnt have to make you sick.....
For some people, it will still make them feel ill. Boiled rue, or not......
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Edited by yageman (08/17/06 01:32 AM)
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truekimbo2
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: yageman]
#5971865 - 08/17/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i used 3-4 grams of rue each time.
speaking of which, i might take the time to write up a trip report. the most recent time i tried to do ayahuasca my girlfriend and i got incredibly sick and incredibly high off of 3 grams of syrian rue each.
it was about 4 straight hours of throwing up, we both couldn't be inside. light/movement/sound made me incredible disoriented.
i was actually getting visions and stuff it was crazy. the most vivid one i can remeber is closing my eyes and watching my brain be dipped in milk (it was very lifelike looking)
keep in mind this is just off of 3 grams of syrian rue. i guess we just got the unlucky super strong batch...
edit: i'm glad as fuck we didn't drink the other plants before we realised how sick we were going to get. my girlfriend put the rest of our syrian rue in a biohazard bag and hung it from the wall hehehehe.
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Edited by truekimbo2 (08/17/06 01:32 AM)
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yageman
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: truekimbo2]
#5971879 - 08/17/06 01:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rue doesnt vary that much. You just had a strong reaction to rue.
I would assume you have many psychedelic trips under your belt? Thats sort of a common reaction to maois....
There is no doubt that rue by its self can be intense. Its the same as caapi though. Just less plant matter....
The original ayahuasca is only maois, go figure. Many tribes/peoples consider the maois to be the spirit of the brew, the dmt only adds color and other rather intense properties to the visions.
To take a shamans brew, for those who are ready for it, would be taking 5 grams of rue atleast. That ontop of some dmt plants. 8 grams of rue is not taken by shamans in south america because they use a more gentile but more nauseating local plant.
Rue hits hard, mostly because of the little amount of plant matter that it takes to trip VERY hard...
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Edited by yageman (08/17/06 01:42 AM)
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: yageman]
#5972032 - 08/17/06 03:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've taken that dose of rue many times before, my girlfriend also had the same strong reaction but she hadn't taken it before.
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: truekimbo2]
#5972363 - 08/17/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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they say that the rue has less experience working with people, and the cappi has tons. The cappi will lead you through the experience while the rue will just drop you off where the DMT plants want you to go.
I have zero experience with these particular power plants as of now, so I cannot verify any of it.
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5972494 - 08/17/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
EquilibriuM said:
I tend to agree with you more then some report on erowid, simply because you seem to have personal experience in the matter and the latter seems impersonal. thats just what I read... may be true, may not, probably somewhere in between... but I'm interested in whats what in practice, not in theory.
Even erowid tends to agree if you look at some of the reports, rather than the figures of potency that people have come up with. Such figures for psilocybe species have been completely debunked on this board, and trichocereus studies seem often to not reflect real life experience as well.
I'm not saying that the figures are absolutely false, simply that as members of the same basic community, we can probably more accurately look to each other to better represent what we might experience. Maybe the sources in south america happen to send really terrible chaliponga leaves, and sometimes really good mimosa? Maybe it doesn't represent the alkaloids where they naturally occur, but I'd say it's closer to what you or I will come across with the kinds of sources we have.
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thedudenj
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5972502 - 08/17/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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btw my rule for rue is usually 1-2.5 grams i find 3 to be excessive. the less scientific approach is i use 2 pinches. Also colour of caapi plays a key role in how the stuff effects becarful using red and black vine unless alone, if you want to do it with others use yellow and white.
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Edited by thedudenj (08/17/06 11:01 AM)
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: thedudenj]
#5972521 - 08/17/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I too find 3 to be chaotic with rue. Best at around 2.
And I'd suggest not doing black caapi at all if you're avoiding the purge. Ever. Black caapi is all about the purge for many. Even the very reason it is used.
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thedudenj
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Re: Anyone used ayahuasca... ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5972855 - 08/17/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah man red and black are only for expert shamans people can get hurt by it
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