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So who do you think won?
    #5965399 - 08/15/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe that the engagement in Lebanon will continue....that these UN resolutions will subside into nothingness. Calling this a "ceasefire" in my opinion, is nothing more then waiting for Hezbollah to rearm.


With the above said.....does anyone fell a particular side has won? And how?


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5965409 - 08/15/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They both declared victory


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Basilides]
    #5965417 - 08/15/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Israel did not abolish Hezbollah as there goal had stated.
Hezbollah did resist Israel as there goal had stated, but with some loses.
Israel did move Hezbollah out of the south where the boarder meets, so they won in there minds, Hezbollah resisted, they won in there minds.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5965421 - 08/15/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It seems like a victory for Israel.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5965433 - 08/15/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would call it a draw since Hezbollah went toe-to-toe with a heavyweight and was still standing at the end of the fight.

Maybe even a moral victory for them.

Israel took them down a notch or two, but greatly strengthened Hezbollah politically. Iran will just ship them more missles and they'll be stronger than ever in a couple years.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: zorbman]
    #5965440 - 08/15/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

http://debka.com/article.php?aid=1201

Tehran Takes Gloomy View of the Lebanon War and Truce


August 14, 2006, 3:35 PM (GMT+02:00)

While the damage caused Israel’s military reputation tops Western assessments of the Lebanon war, DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources report an entirely different perception taking hold in ruling circles in Tehran.

After UN Security Council resolution 1701 calling for a truce was carried Friday, Aug. 11, the heads of the regime received two separate evaluations of the situation in Lebanon – one from Iran’s foreign ministry and one from its supreme national security council. Both were bleak: their compilers were concerned that Iran had been manipulatively robbed of its primary deterrent asset ahead of a probable nuclear confrontation with the United States and Israel.

While the foreign ministry report highlighted the negative aspects of the UN resolution, the council’s document complained that Hizballah squandered thousands of rockets – either by firing them into Israel or having them destroyed by the Israeli air force.

The writer of this report is furious over the waste of Iran’s most important military investment in Lebanon merely for the sake of a conflict with Israeli over two kidnapped soldiers.

It took Iran two decades to build up Hizballah’s rocket inventory.

DEBKAfile’s sources estimate that Hizballah’s adventure wiped out most of the vast sum of $4-6 bn the Iranian treasury sunk into building its military strength. The organization was meant to be strong and effective enough to provide Iran with a formidable deterrent to Israel embarking on a military operation to destroy the Islamic regime’s nuclear infrastructure.

To this end, Tehran bought the Israeli military doctrine of preferring to fight its wars on enemy soil. In the mid-1980s, Iran decided to act on this doctrine by coupling its nuclear development program with Israel’s encirclement and the weakening its deterrence strength. The Jewish state was identified at the time as the only country likely to take vigorous action to spike Iran’s nuclear aspirations.

The ayatollahs accordingly promoted Hizballah’s rise as a socio-political force in Lebanon, at the same time building up its military might and capabilities for inflicting damage of strategic dimensions to Israel’s infrastructure.

That effort was accelerated after Israeli forces withdrew from the Lebanese security zone in May 2000. A bunker network and chain of fortified positions were constructed, containing war rooms equipped with the finest western hi-tech gadgetry, including night vision gear, computers and electronics, as well as protective devices against bacteriological and chemical warfare.

This fortified network was designed for assault and defense alike.

Short- medium- and long-range rockets gave the hard edge to Hizballah’s ablity to conduct a destructive war against Israel and its civilians – when the time was right for Tehran.

Therefore, Iran’s rulers are hopping mad and deeply anxious over news of the huge damage sustained by Hizballah’s rocket inventory, which was proudly touted before the war as numbering 13,000 pieces.

Hizballah fighters, they are informed, managed to fire only a small number of Khaibar-1 rockets, most of which hit Haifa and Afula, while nearly 100 were destroyed or disabled by Israeli air strikes.

The long-range Zelzal-1 and Zelzal-2, designed for hitting Tel Aviv and the nuclear reactor at Dimona have been degraded even more. Iran sent over to Lebanon 50 of those missiles. The keys to the Zelzal stores stayed in the hands of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers who were in command of Hizballah. Nasrallah and his officers had no access to these stores.

But Tehran has learned that Israel was able to destroy most of the 22 Zelzal launchers provided.

That is not the end of the catalogue of misfortunes for the Islamic rulers of Iran.

1. The UN Security Council embodied in resolution 1701 a chapter requiring Hizballah to disarm – in the face of a stern warning issued by supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in person in the early days of the war. Revolutionary Guards commanders went so far as to boast: “No one alive is capable of disarming Hizballah.”

The disarming of Hizballah would therefore be a bad knock to the supreme ruler’s authority and prestige as well as a disastrous blow for the deterrent force so painstakingly and expensively fashioned as a second front line to protect the Islamic republic from a safe distance.

2. Hizballah’s ejection from South Lebanon, if accomplished in the aftermath of the ceasefire, would moreover deprive Tehran of the sword hanging over Israel’s head of instantaneous attack.

For the sake of partial damage control, Tehran handed Nasrallah a set of new instructions Sunday, Aug. 13:

First, to find a way of evading the ceasefire and keeping up war operations against Israeli forces.

Second, to reject the proposal to disarm before the Lebanese government meets on this Monday afternoon. In fact, that meeting was called off after Hassan Nasrallah sent a message to the Lebanese ministers flatly refusing to have Hizballah give up its weapons in the south. He also turned down a compromise proposal handed him later, whereby the Lebanese army’s first mission after deploying in the south would be to help Hizballah evacuate its fighters with their arms to positions north of the Litani River.

The strategy evolving in Tehran since the ceasefire went into effect Monday morning requires Hizballah to employ a range of stratagems – not only to prevent the truce from stabilizing but to stop the Lebanese army from deploying n the south and, above all, the entry of an effective international force.

Furthermore, Hizballah is instructed to stretch the military crisis into the next three of four months, synchronously with the timetable for a UN Security Council sanctions-wielding session on Iran.

According to exclusive reports reaching DEBKAfile’s sources, the Iranian government believes that Israel and the United States are preparing a military operation for the coming October and November to strike Iran’s nuclear installations. It is therefore vital to keep the two armies fully occupied with other pursuits.

Iranian leaders’ conviction that the Lebanon war was staged to bamboozle them rests on certain perceptions:

As seen from Tehran, Israel looked as though it was carrying out a warming-up exercise in preparation for its main action against Iran’s nuclear program. The Israeli army was able to explore, discover and correct its weak points, understand what was lacking and apply the necessary remedial measures. They therefore expect the IDF to emerge from the war having produced novel methods of warfare.

They also have no doubt that the United States will replenish Israel’s war chest with a substantial aid program of new and improved weaponry.

From the Iranian viewpoint, Israel succeeded in seriously degrading Hizballah’s capabilities. It was also able to throw the Lebanese Shiite militia to the wolves; the West is now in a position to force Nasrallah and his men to quit southern Lebanon and disarm. The West shut its eyes when he flouted the Resolution 1559 order for the disarmament of all Lebanese militias. But that game is over. The Americans will use Resolution 1701 as an effect weapon to squeeze Iran, denied of its second-front deterrence, on its nuclear program.

Tehran hopes to pre-empt the American move by torpedoing the Lebanon ceasefire and preventing the termination of hostilities at all costs


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5965598 - 08/15/06 10:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Neither side won... but, the Lebanese civilians certainly lost.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5965805 - 08/15/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Israel did not abolish Hezbollah as there goal had stated.
Hezbollah did resist Israel as there goal had stated, but with some loses.
Israel did move Hezbollah out of the south where the boarder meets, so they won in there minds, Hezbollah resisted, they won in there minds.




So basically it was like a World Cup qualifier with an own goal.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5965824 - 08/15/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nobody seems to have learned anything from this. Therefore, nobody won.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5965827 - 08/15/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

lets just hope sy hersh is wrong..and the big winner doesnt eventually turn out to be king george...insofar as hizbulllah vs israel..theres no clear winner at this point..although hizbullarh did manage to get the israelis out of lebanon under the terms of the ceasefire...


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5965860 - 08/15/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Why is it Seymour Hersh always the one to uncover mind blowing scandals? Because all that's blowing is hot wind.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Basilides]
    #5965983 - 08/15/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> although hizbullarh did manage to get the israelis out of lebanon under the terms of the ceasefire...

At what cost to the civilian population? I also don't see how you can claim that Hezbollah had anything at all to do with getting the Israelis out of Lebanon? Had the rest of the world ignored the conflict, then Israel would still be destroying anything and everything that they could. Hezbollah was impotent in the conflict. The most they could do was fire random rockets into Israel hoping they hit something or kill somebody while hiding behind innocent civilians. Sure, they helped slow down the Israel ground advance, but they could not have stopped it. I suppose Hezbollah can take credit for bringing Israel into Lebanon, but not much else.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Seuss]
    #5965999 - 08/15/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Believe me Hezbollah would of benefitted alot more if they occupied south Lebanon. Then they could wage a insurgency similar to Iraq.

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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5966332 - 08/15/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Believe me Hezbollah would of benefitted alot more if they occupied south Lebanon. Then they could wage a insurgency similar to Iraq.




My guess is isreal is quite aware of this, which is why they will not occupy.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5966938 - 08/15/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think Hezbollah and Iran won this one. Read this opinion piece to understand why:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...ncommentary-hed

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After cease-fire, who has the edge?
Hezbollah, Iran gain more than Israel, U.S.

By Raja Kamal, associate dean for resource development at the Harris School for Public Policy Studies at the University of Chicago
Published August 15, 2006

A cease-fire is finally here. The global community has successfully brokered an overdue end to the tragic war between Israel and Hezbollah. Now that the dust is beginning to settle, we can begin to tally the winners and losers.

Although the Israeli military pounding of Lebanon during the last month has degraded Hezbollah's military capabilities, its leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah--at least in the short run--has emerged victorious. He fought and defied one of the best-equipped and trained armies in the world--something none of the traditional Arab armies have been able to do since the birth of modern Israel in 1948. Hezbollah managed to maintain (and in some cases increase) the frequency of the rocket attacks that paralyzed and stunned much of northern Israel. Nasrallah has gained admiration on the Arab streets and forced respect and political recognition by Middle Eastern leaders.

Nasrallah, who until recently was becoming increasingly marginalized for being out of touch with mainstream Lebanese politics, is now a major power broker in Lebanon--someone that U.S., Israeli and Arab governments may have to start to engage politically.

But Hezbollah and Nasrallah are not the only victors. Iran is also a winner. As a spiritual and financial backer of Hezbollah, Iran's investment has paid off.

Like Iraq, Iran is now entrenched in the political landscape of Lebanon. Since the regime change in Baghdad, Iran has been using Islam successfully to penetrate political boundaries in the region. Lebanon's Shiite population was clearly receptive to Iran's ambitions. To Shiites in the Arab world, Tehran has come to signify what the Vatican is to Catholics.

Iran is now a key player in Arab countries with significant Shiite populations. The fall of Iraq's Saddam Hussein has made Iran's aspirations natural and effortless.

The people of Lebanon and Israel were the ultimate losers. Civilians, including women and children, were the majority of casualties.

In Lebanon, the damage to the country's infrastructure is significant and will cost several billions of dollars to rebuild. This, in addition to the loss of revenue from close to 2 million tourists expected to vacation in Lebanon this year. It may take years to recover. Furthermore, 1 million people (one-quarter of Lebanon's population) have been displaced. Many have lost their homes, and the financially strapped government will have to cope with the challenge of housing them. This is a significant setback to the Lebanese economy, which had been on the track to recovery. The government of Prime Minister Fuad Siniora has become weaker and increasingly marginalized, while Nasrallah emerges as a formidable leader.

Israel, with a much larger and more resilient economy than Lebanon, has been noticeably impacted by this war as well. Many of the factories in the north have shut down, and reservists responding to the call of duty have put their jobs on hold, thus slowing productivity. Many towns and cities in northern Israel have been evacuated to minimize the casualties from Hezbollah rockets. Like their Lebanese neighbors, Israeli lives have been significantly altered. Yet the leadership of Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will be judged as a failure. What do you have to show for this military engagement? Not much.

At the end of the day, Hezbollah is very much alive and significantly stronger politically. The war in Lebanon did not achieve the return of the two captured soldiers. Negotiations will. And, the disproportionate Israeli military response has unified the vast majority of Lebanese opinion against Israel and created an uphill battle on the global public relations front. The sad events in Qana, Lebanon, did not help either. If there is a country in the Arab world that has all the ingredients to have an organic peace with Israel, it is Lebanon. Unfortunately, this is now an unthinkable proposition to the people of Lebanon.

Finally, the U.S. State Department under the leadership of Condoleezza Rice also emerged from this war as a failure.

The prediction that Israel would eradicate Hezbollah swiftly delayed any U.S. intervention to end the war and minimize the destruction and casualties. Thus, the Bush administration lost the initiative to exhibit leadership and assert momentum to move toward an early conclusion to this sad episode. The delay created a credibility gap and the further weakening of the central moderate government in Lebanon, which needed international support.

Wars are horrible and this one is no exception. Will peace and tranquility come out of it? Perhaps there is an opportunity that will allow Hezbollah and the Israelis to settle their issues once and for all.

The healing and rebuilding must now begin.

Only comprehensive peace will permanently defuse Hezbollah and marginalize Iran.



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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5967004 - 08/15/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Its sad to say, but hezbollah won.

-they still have thousands of missiles
-they got away with firing hundreds of missiles
-none of their leaders were captured
-the kidnapped/POW israeli soldiers are still not retrieved
-israel spent at least a billion feeding their war machine
-hezbollah is as much in power in the region as they were before
-the israeli violence reinforced arab world stereotypes about israel
-israel was forced to a ceasefire while hezbollah always demanded that they stopped

when you're beat, you're beat. The tragedy is that the Lebanese people had a modern army tear their country to shreds, hezbollah is as strong as ever and israel is still very gung ho to "finish the job".

I can still see this escalating.

If israel gets provoked, it is known to overreact. If hezbollah is met with breach of the ceasefire they will flush a thousand missiles, hitting everything they can, while at the moment northern Israel is repopulating again. Israel will go apeshit, and because of this neighboring arab nations might decide to "come to Lebanon's aid".

People should stop the violence period.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5967021 - 08/15/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hezbollah won this one big time, especially when one considers the terms of the ceasefire will not be fulfilled by Hezbollah. They will not disarm or allow anyone else to disarm them. The agreement is just another useless piece of UN toilet paper.




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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Seuss]
    #5967801 - 08/15/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Lebanese civilians certainly lost.




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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Seuss]
    #5967868 - 08/15/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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> although hizbullarh did manage to get the israelis out of lebanon under the terms of the ceasefire...

At what cost to the civilian population? I also don't see how you can claim that Hezbollah had anything at all to do with getting the Israelis out of Lebanon? Had the rest of the world ignored the conflict, then Israel would still be destroying anything and everything that they could. Hezbollah was impotent in the conflict. The most they could do was fire random rockets into Israel hoping they hit something or kill somebody while hiding behind innocent civilians. Sure, they helped slow down the Israel ground advance, but they could not have stopped it. I suppose Hezbollah can take credit for bringing Israel into Lebanon, but not much else.




I agree with you.

I would hate to be Lebanese right now. Iran and Syria are fighting a proxy war and the only destruction is in Lebanon. They don't have the power to call it off and they get hammered.

People are saying that Hezbolla has gained stature in this venture. If I am Lebanese I don't want them to try to gain any more stature. I would want to find a way to open the debate into asking them to leave.

Lebanon gets destroyed, and Iran and Syria claim victory. That would suck for me if I was from Lebanon. Even if I hated the Jews until the cows came home I would be calling bullshit. Take your own fucking bullets for the cause.


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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Phred]
    #5968382 - 08/16/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Hezbollah won this one big time, especially when one considers the terms of the ceasefire will not be fulfilled by Hezbollah. They will not disarm or allow anyone else to disarm them. The agreement is just another useless piece of UN toilet paper.




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