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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: JesusChrist]
#5968601 - 08/16/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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> Lebanon gets destroyed, and Iran and Syria claim victory.
Don't forget the US and Israel also claim victory. Disgusting, all the way around.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5968786 - 08/16/06 07:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Calling this a "ceasefire" in my opinion, is nothing more then waiting for Hezbollah to rearm.
I really don't give a shit about what goes on over there, since it has been going on since the start of recorded time... BUT... Hezbollah doesn't need to rearm... they have been launching rockets since the ceasefire, but the rockets are dropping before the border... Israel has not responded... YET...
and the USA is the only winner...
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Jim]
#5969447 - 08/16/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Interesting Article
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060816-122813-5639r.htm
Mossad missed Hezbollah threat By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 16, 2006
Israel's storied foreign-intelligence service failed to fully understand the threat posed by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, based on a view among many analysts that the guerrilla organization was an evolving political group, according to U.S. officials and private intelligence specialists. The Mossad had intelligence about most Hezbollah weapons, including rockets fired into Israel and other hardware. But the service knew little about the military and intelligence side of Hezbollah, a diverse organization made up of Islamic terrorists, conventionally armed militia forces, a charity wing and a political movement. Mossad is famous for past exploits, including the global campaign in the 1970s to track down and kill Palestinian terrorists in retaliation for the deaths of 11 Israeli athletes and coaches at the 1972 Munich Olympics. Its specialty has been recruiting agents inside terrorist groups and using their information to effectively counter or limit attacks. However, the recent fighting in southern Lebanon revealed major shortcomings in the agency's intelligence on the precise locations of Hezbollah leaders and rocket launchers, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "This was an intelligence failure, but not on the same scale as those of the United States prior to 9/11," said one U.S. official long involved in intelligence matters. The U.S. official said Mossad's lack of intelligence about Hezbollah dates back to 1998, when the terrorist group began a strategy of conducting clandestine attacks while also seeking public support through charitable work and joining the political process in Lebanon. The bias regarding Hezbollah's evolving nature had an effect on the activities of Israeli spies and agents in the field, which contributed to misperceptions about the group, the officials said. Robert Baer, a former CIA operations officer who is familiar with Mossad, said the Israeli intelligence agency failed to gather good intelligence on Hezbollah, in stark contrast to its very successful efforts against Palestinian terrorists. Israeli intelligence, mainly the Shin Bet domestic service, thoroughly penetrated many Palestinian terrorist groups. But Hezbollah employs extremely tight operational security to prevent penetration by Mossad or other intelligence services, Mr. Baer said. Hezbollah operates its military and intelligence wings in utmost secrecy, and they are completely separate from the charitable and political wings, he said. "Military-intelligence people do not talk to political leadership or rank-and-file people who do social work," he said. Dennis Pluchinsky, a former State Department intelligence analyst, said Mossad may have been "counting on the Lebanese population and government to turn on Hezbollah."
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5969812 - 08/16/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The ceasefire was a very bad idea.
All it did was make all those Israeli and Lebanese die for no good reason - if hezbollah was wiped out, they atleast died for a reason (some will argue good, some will argue bad). Since hezbollah isnt wiped out, the whole thing was a waste.
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All it did was make all those Israeli and Lebanese die for no good reason - if hezbollah was wiped out, they atleast died for a reason (some will argue good, some will argue bad). Since hezbollah isnt wiped out, the whole thing was a waste.
Many thousands more would have died if the conflict was to endure like this. To prevent that, a ceasefire.
Those Lebanese lives weren't Israels to sacrifice.
The war was lost for Israel to begin with. They try to be the USA of the middle east, but like the USA they've met their Vietnam, and theirs is right next door.
You can't defeat Hezbollah. Ever. The problem is that Hezbollah stands for an ideology, and you can't end an ideology by killing its followers. Look at nazism: you'd say we killed it dead in 1945, but now its over 60 years later and theres all sorts of neonazis.
You can't kill an ideology and you can't disarm large masses of people. This war effort was doomed to fail, and the Lebanese (and many innocent Israeli civilians) had to pay the price.
Almost 4 million people, the Lebanese, have had their land shot to hell. Cities in ruins, roads and bridges bombed, airports and harbors destroyed. A huge oil spill at the coast. Many of them will blame the people who dropped the bombs.
Hezbollah = Viet Cong
Guerilla fighters on their home turf. Kill one and two people will take his place. You can't win by killing them, you can only win by disarming the notion that the Israelis have got to go. This is not done by bombin a nation to smittereens.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Asante]
#5970335 - 08/16/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the Lebanese do not disarm Hezbollah they are going to get it again. And they will deserve it. Again. You cannot allow these people free rein in your nation or you are complicit in their acts.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Jim]
#5970662 - 08/16/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Calling this a "ceasefire" in my opinion, is nothing more then waiting for Hezbollah to rearm.
I really don't give a shit about what goes on over there, since it has been going on since the start of recorded time... BUT... Hezbollah doesn't need to rearm... they have been launching rockets since the ceasefire, but the rockets are dropping before the border... Israel has not responded... YET...
and the USA is the only winner...
I wonder if Hezbollah is firing at the Israelis still in Lebanon?
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5970706 - 08/16/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If the Lebanese do not disarm Hezbollah they are going to get it again. And they will deserve it. Again. You cannot allow these people free rein in your nation or you are complicit in their acts.
Maybe Israel should stop invading their country, over and over again. Then I bet recruits for Hezbollah would drop like crazy. The more Israel attacks, the more they help their enemies.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5970721 - 08/16/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe Hezbollah should not have invaded Israel and opened up that can of whupass. You may be willing to spread your cheeks wide for repeated cross border attacks but the Israelis aren't. Israel has never set one booted foot into Lebanon without provocation.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5970781 - 08/16/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you actually believe what you say? Israel was occupying southern Lebanon for 20 years. Hence the need for a guerrilla force, Hezbollah. I have no reason to believe Israel was not on Lebanese soil, as I have seen reports of both claims. Can you Imagine ANY country occupying a part of Israel for any amount of time? After what they just did to Lebanon, I would say they deserve to occupy part of northern Israel for a good 100 years. Yeah, that seems plenty fair according to Israeli rules.
Every time Israel bombs a country into the stone age over a "provocation" they create many more enemies. Why can't you and them understand that?
What was it? 7, 8 Israeli soldiers killed/captured (by a gorilla force), so what did that Lebanon get. I will say this until I am blue in the face, Israel responded with unreasonable force, and created more enemies then it killed. Those 900 and something Lebanese killed had families, if I was one of them, I would not be pissed with Hezbollah, I would be pissed with the ones who dropped the bombs.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5971060 - 08/16/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only naive people can imagine arabs in lebanon being pissed at themselves for this. They know damn well who is to blame for the destruction and it is those who dropped the bombs. Hezbollah's ranks will swell now and "disarmed" is the last thing that's going to happen.
After all, does the US even want hezbollah eliminated? That would be 1 less thing we can blame on iran then.
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After all, does the US even want hezbollah eliminated?
as long as the repugnicans can capitalize on the voters' fear of terrorism..they will need terrorists..including hizbullah...
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5972161 - 08/17/06 06:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the Lebanese do not disarm Hezbollah they are going to get it again.
Thats basically the same stance as taken by the government in the War on Drugs. The same applies here.
You cannot disarm Hezbollah, just like you cannot "stamp out crime". You just can't.
As we speak Hezbollah fighters are searching the lands for dud Israeli bombs, which litter the landscape. These dud bombs are taken to workshops and toolsheds where the tips are screwed off. These dud bombs either are turned into improvised landmines, or the explosives from them are salvaged for other uses.
One such bomb, let's say a generic "dumb" 500lbs arial bomb, yields 250 lbs of high explosives, which can be used to make 25 belts for suicide bombers or some 1.500 improvised hand grenades or fill the warheads of 12 Qassam III rockets. This is what guerilla fighters do, be they Viet Cong or assorted gangs in Iraq.
And so the cycle of violence continues. What Israel has accomplished is to further anger the arab world, and supplying Hezbollah with tons of explosives and a wave of new recruits.
Who has won? Not Israel, and certainly not the people of Lebanon
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: Asante]
#5972420 - 08/17/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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In The end Israel comes out with a fake victory ( just like the U.S. in Iraq) Hezbollah is still armed, and over 1100 innocent lebanese civilians lie dead, thousands more homeless, and The the Scourge of Corporate America is able to jack up oil prices. "Its a big shit sandwich and we all gotta take a bite" In War No one wins. We are just told otherwise.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: BatCountry]
#5972517 - 08/17/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually oil prices are pretty low now. And keep thinking that the oil companies control the prices, maybe some day it will come true.
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Re: So who do you think won? [Re: downforpot]
#5972679 - 08/17/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So who do you think won?
Defense Contractors!
Gotta re-arm for next time
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