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LATIMES ..hezbollah celebrates swell of support...
#5964429 - 08/14/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you thought that king george and his cronies in israel are out to exterminate the terrorists and liberate their countries..guess again ..
LATIMES...
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Hezbollah Celebrates Swell of Support By Megan K. Stack Times Staff Writer
8:31 PM PDT, August 14, 2006
BEIRUT, Lebanon -- Hezbollah's urban nerve center is a shattered shell. Its most loyal followers trudged homeward to a heartland laid to waste. And yet the Shiite organization lighted up the night sky with fireworks on Monday and declared itself triumphant over Israel.
Israel meant to break Hezbollah with its month-long offensive, but instead the militant organization is strengthened politically in Lebanon, analysts said. The movement has a fresh boost of popularity, at least for now, and an renewed sense that it is entitled to keep its own armed militia outside the control of the Lebanese army, they say.
The newfound clout enjoyed by Hezbollah has come at a staggering cost to Lebanon's infrastructure, economy and civilians, hundreds of whom died under the rubble of Israeli bombs. The fragile central government, which the U.S. administration strove to polish into an example of democracy taking root in the Arab world, has also suffered from the month of fighting.
"The reality is, they have weakened the government significantly," said Charles Ayoub, a professor of political science at the American University of Beirut. "What room do (officials) have to maneuver? If Nasrallah says he won't give up the weapons, what are they going to do?"
The U.N. resolution that paved the way for the truce calls for Hezbollah's disarmament. So, for that matter, does an earlier, long-ignored U.N. resolution. But the terms of giving up the weaponry are vague. And as a prominent party in the Lebanese government, Hezbollah will have a hand in deciding how and whether the language translates into fact.
If anything, analysts said, the monthlong war has managed to worsen Lebanon's underlying instability, bolstering Hezbollah at the expense of more moderate, secular figures in government.
"Most of the government really thought that Hezbollah could be trimmed by the Israelis, and that would give them less of a problem," said Judith Palmer Harik, a longtime Hezbollah expert. "But it didn't work out that way, and now there's nothing they can do, in my opinion, to get Hezbollah away from doing what it wants."
"This is a victorious group. Do they want to be disarmed at this point?" Harik said. "That is such a nonstarter."
Before the war erupted in mid-July, Hezbollah representatives had agreed to participate in a national negotiation about disarmament. Even then few analysts put much stock in the notion that the guerrillas would voluntarily lay aside their guns. Nevertheless, the fact that the powerful organization agreed to talk about its weapons was taken as a sign that Hezbollah sensed it had to compromise with domestic critics of its militia.
Not so now.
Hezbollah made it plain Monday that the sacrifice of their weapons was off the table for the time being. Nasrallah scoffed at the idea that the "resistance" should lay down its guns in order to build a strong Lebanon. It should be the other way around, he argued.
"First you have to build a strong, capable, just and secure country for all Lebanese, so that you can tell the people, 'We can protect your dignity and honor, and there is no need for the weapons of the resistance,' " he said.
Back in Washington, President Bush strove Monday to undercut Hezbollah's boasting by portraying the organization as the losers.
"Hezbollah, of course, has got a fantastic propaganda machine, and they're claiming victories," Bush said. "But how can you claim victory when, at one time, you were a state within a state, safe within southern Lebanon, and now you're going to be replaced by a Lebanese army and an international force?"
But even the anticipated deployment of 15,000 Lebanese and 15,000 international troops won't necessarily drive Hezbollah's militia from the southern borderlands. Many analysts believe the Lebanese army is more likely to fight shoulder-to-shoulder with Hezbollah than to shut it down. Foreign troops are no novelty, either -- the militia was founded and flourished under Israeli occupation, and is deeply rooted in the civilian population of the southern towns and villages.
Hezbollah's claims of victory are a reminder that Lebanon remains a fundamentally unstable state. This country shredded itself to pieces in a bloody, 15-year civil war, then stood by as its politics were buried under the smothering blanket of de facto Syrian occupation for more than a decade.
A little more than a year after disentangling itself from Syrian domination, Lebanon is still hobbling along under the leadership of a fractious and fledgling government. Aside from Hezbollah, its only military power is a feeble army widely deemed incapable of defending this small Mediterranean nation.
The perennial problems that have long given Hezbollah the justification for keeping its weapons also remain untouched.
The dispute over whether Israeli troops should relinquish their hold on the disputed Shabaa Farms, which Lebanon claims as Lebanese land, has not been resolved. Nor has the fate of Lebanese prisoners being held by Israel -- men whose captivity inspired Hezbollah's commandos to steal into Israel and take two soldiers prisoner, provoking the long weeks of war.
The fighting has polished Hezbollah's image, both at home and throughout the Muslim world, as its commandos held their own against the storied Israeli army.
Domestic critics have been temporarily silenced, pressured by a wartime atmosphere that encouraged solidarity during the crisis. In his speech Monday, Nasrallah spoke out harshly against Lebanese who dared to criticize Hezbollah.
"We heard them speak from their air-conditioned offices . . . while people were watching their houses being demolished," he said. "This is really unethical, and a big mistake."
Meanwhile, Lebanese officials were scrambling to figure out how to fulfill their obligations to the U.N. Security Council resolution that paved the way for the truce. Hezbollah's objections to disarmament reportedly has split the Cabinet and muddied the way forward.
Those concerns were nothing to Nidal Shaib, a 35-year-old taxi driver and longtime loyalist to the Communist Party who joined his brothers to sweep up the wreckage of the badly damaged building in Beirut's southern suburbs. Until this war, he said, he respected Nasrallah but didn't support him. Now he celebrates him as the man who made Israelis suffer, Shaib said.
"Now I totally accept him. He's a great leader," he said. "Even greater than Che Guevara."
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5964494 - 08/14/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yup, a few more actions like this and the entire Muslim world will just grab their swords, daggers and AK's and charge westward and make Israel into Palestine Proper. I can't wait.
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5964774 - 08/14/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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everytime i see pictures of the IDF soldiers i say these guys cant possibly have fight in them. They look like a bunch of pussies the only way they will win is to go nuclear.
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: buckwheat]
#5964821 - 08/15/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Air power makes a tremendous difference. I really don't see isreal having to resort to nukes, they'll cluster bomb if they have to...if they aren't already.
Arabs don't stand a chance, strength in numbers doesn't mean shit in modern warfare. Holding a defensive position with the benefit of competent air power in the face of overwhelming numbers is not hard to do. Could the arabs eventually overcome isreal with vast numbers? It's possible but how much bombing can an invasion force take before they loose the will to fight?
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5965048 - 08/15/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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air power makes you into a bear swinging at the beehive...in either case..the point i was trying to make is that the outcome in lebanon has been the exact opposite of what king george has been touting ..what he calls a terrorist group is now more or less in charge in a country that had been a democracy...
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5965878 - 08/15/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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xDuckYouSuckerx said: Yup, a few more actions like this and the entire Muslim world will just grab their swords, daggers and AK's and charge westward and make Israel into Palestine Proper. I can't wait.
And then Europe and USA. You should move to the Middle East and convert to Islam so that then we can kill you. And again you want all Jews dead, good job.
Oh by the way Muslims always say that they will crush us and whatnot... well, yea, you kinda know what happend to Saddam after he said Iraq will destroy all American troops during the invasion, LOL. Silly Muslims, bullets are for your kids.
And basically that article said that the UN are morons and should of let Israel kill Hezbollah. And UN succeeds again, HORAY!!!
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Edited by downforpot (08/15/06 11:52 AM)
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: downforpot]
#5965907 - 08/15/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Weren't you on the verge of converting to Islam a year ago
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: Basilides]
#5966030 - 08/15/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was? Really? I read the Quran... I am reading the Bible now. I got the Book of Mormon on the shelf waiting. Then I'm gonna read the Quran again, then the Bible again, then the Book of Mormon. I guess that means if some1 reads the Quran then they are converting to Islam. Genius!!!!
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5966258 - 08/15/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: air power makes you into a bear swinging at the beehive...in either case..the point i was trying to make is that the outcome in lebanon has been the exact opposite of what king george has been touting ..what he calls a terrorist group is now more or less in charge in a country that had been a democracy...
Almost everything bush says turns out to be the exactly opposite, it's just sad the right wing moonbats can't see past the smoke and mirrors. But my reply was mainly to a couple others in this thread who suggested that isreal is going to be overrun. Just had to point out that it ain't going to happen as long as isreal has air superiority. We couldn't beat germany without it and the arabs can't take out isreal without it. Least not anytime soon.
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5966664 - 08/15/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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air superiority didnt work in vietnam...and the vast bulk of airpower in WWII was genocide attacks against women and children..with no strategic military significance...germany could just have easily been beaten without napalming dresden...
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5966855 - 08/15/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No jungles in the desert.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't see any real threat to isreal aside from economic interruptions and the occasional suicide bomber.
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5967012 - 08/15/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Air superiority devastates armies not guerrillas. That is why Syria and Iran fight by proxy
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: zappaisgod]
#5967908 - 08/15/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Amen brother. Those pussies don't want their ass kicked on the open field. That is why they fight by proxy, and even when they do that they hide behind women and children.
Imagine if America had a second defense force that wasn't sanctioned by our democratic government. Imagine if they attacked another country and provoked a counter attack. People would be going apeshit. It is time for the Lebanese to go apeshit. Those people shouldn't have to shoulder that burden. It is unfair and unjust. But in the end only they can rise up against it. Don't expect the UN to do diddly.
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: JesusChrist]
#5968506 - 08/16/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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JesusChrist said: Imagine if America had a second defense force that wasn't sanctioned by our democratic government. Imagine if they attacked another country and provoked a counter attack.
They do, it's called Israel.
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: zappaisgod]
#5968967 - 08/16/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Air superiority devastates armies not guerrillas.
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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5968992 - 08/16/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: They do, it's called Israel.

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Re: LATIMES ..hezbollar celebrates swell of support... [Re: zappaisgod]
#5971143 - 08/16/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Air superiority devastates armies not guerrillas. That is why Syria and Iran fight by proxy
I wasn't talking about taking out guerrillas, I was talking about a vast invasion force wiping isreal out. Something on that scale could be repelled or at least broken up with air power, no? Or do you think an invasion force capable of wiping isreal out could sneak in the middle of the night and pull it off undetected?
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Edited by RosettaStoned (08/16/06 09:34 PM)
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