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OfflineKave
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Pinning?
    #5963015 - 08/14/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I'm having trouble pinning my jars. Here's what I've done so far:

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Removed terrarium from the warm-bath and placed it on a top shelf, with random intervals of blue-filtered incandescent light.

After about 2-3 weeks, I removed the container from the closet and set it on my stereo so it can get natural light at regular intervals, as well as periods of blacklights from my room.

They're still not pinning. It's been about a week since I moved them out of the closet into the sun. It's not getting direct sun, mind you, my curtains are never open. It simply gets the glow through my beige curtains.


What can I do to get these little bastards to pin?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Kave]
    #5963047 - 08/14/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes it just takes time. I've had stubborn cakes before that took a couple weeks to finally decide to pin and fruit.

I'm not quite sure about the importance of fresh air exchange during the early stages of FC-hood, but I'd say some generic mushroom-grower advice is to fan your cakes regularly. Also, make sure that the humidity is HIGH! If your terrarium doesn't have condensation all over the inside walls, you need to re-evaluate your humidification techniques.

EDIT: What you can do to fix the problem will probably have to wait until the next grow. The key to quick and full pinning (in my experience) is temperature and light (or lack thereof) CONSISTENCY during the incubation so that there is a sudden and definite CONTRAST of these variables once you move to the FC. The only mode of communication between you and the shrooms (that I am aware of, at least) is through the environment. Your communication should appear certain with little margin for random environment changes.


Edited by firetech (08/14/06 03:20 PM)


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Kave]
    #5963072 - 08/14/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I read in the PF-Tek you keep them in the jars as they pin, then you more than to the fruiting chamber to fruit. So you're saying I should take them out of the jar and put it in the fruiting chamber now?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Kave]
    #5963082 - 08/14/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

YES! Take them out of their jars and let them live unconfined and ready to fill the space around them in their new, significantly larger home.


Edited by firetech (08/14/06 03:23 PM)


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Kave]
    #5963103 - 08/14/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, thanks man. One other question: If the un-jarred cakes continue to grow mycelium, is this normal? Or does it mean the humidity is too high?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Kave]
    #5963114 - 08/14/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it's very normal for birthed cakes to continue growing myc.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Kave]
    #5963123 - 08/14/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms grow mycelium. Its what they do. If one grows more, good for it! But I have to ask, if your cakes are 100% colonized, how will they colonize further?

Humidity virtually cannot be too high. As long as its not raining/misting in your FC or causing too much condensation on the cakes themselves, you're good to go!


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Kave]
    #5963126 - 08/14/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks a whole lot, guys.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: firetech]
    #5963142 - 08/14/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If you don't take them out of the jar then they are not getting fresh air exchange, one of the three pinning triggers. Therefore you are not going to get decent pining times. You should definatley take them out of the jars when initiating pinning.

Remember the three pinning triggers are

1. Light
2. Fresh and frequent, if not constant, air exchange.
3. Temperature drop for mid 80's to mid 70's.

Might be a good idea to get a thermometer and check your temps if you don't already have one. Fan alot, since it sounds like you don't have an automated setup. It sounds like your getting enough light to them. It doesn't take much.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: firetech]
    #5963152 - 08/14/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Firetech,

After you birth your cakes they can grow both fluffy and rhizormorphic mycelium.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #5963654 - 08/14/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

hawksapprentice said:
If you don't take them out of the jar then they are not getting fresh air exchange, one of the three pinning triggers.  Therefore you are not going to get decent pining times.  You should definatley take them out of the jars when initiating pinning.

Remember the three pinning triggers are

1.  Light
2.  Fresh and frequent, if not constant, air exchange.
3.  Temperature drop for mid 80's to mid 70's.

Might be a good idea to get a thermometer and check your temps if you don't already have one.  Fan alot, since it sounds like you don't have an automated setup.  It sounds like your getting enough light to them.  It doesn't take much.



Also don't forget the little recognized full colonization (survival) trigger. :wink:


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