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Gigantine
    #5962854 - 08/14/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



This is an interesting looking substance supposedly found within Carnegia gigantea also known as the Saguaro cactus.

I doubt I'd be able to obtain one here but I was wondering whether anyone else had heard of this or had even tried it.

I have found some info here:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/yadontsay/
"Says here that this is a hallucinogen from the cactus Carnegia gigantea. No amphetamine here I knows. But does anybody know what cactus this is? Gives a source article as Tet. Lett. (l967), p 1321. Pretty new discovery (ie unwatched)."

And

"that cactus compound hallucinogen Gigantine look like a cyclicized TMA -like amphetamine!"

However, I believed that the -OH group prevented it passing the blood-brain barrier - can anyone back me up on this?

Thought this might be of interest to some people here but couldn't find any info here so I thought I'd go ahead and post.


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Re: Gigantine [Re: Darkflame]
    #5962953 - 08/14/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have a small saguaro cactus growing , started from seed last year.

some info

Carnegiea
Carnegiea is a genus that has been split off of the large Cereus genus and contains only one cactus species, Carnegiea gigantea, the saguaro (sa-war-o) (Benson 1982). The saguaro or giant cactus is one of the characteristic plants of Arizona and Sonora. It is used by animals for shelter while humans may also use it for building corals and novelty furniture. Even the Indians used this plant for food by gathering the fruit to make conserves and making drinks from the seeds (Benson 1950). While the cactus has been reported to treat rheumatism, it is not known to be used hallucinogenically. Yet, it does contain many psychoactive alkaloids such as: 3-methoxytyramine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 3,4 dimethoxy-5-hydroxyphenethylamine, 3,5 dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenethylamine, Arizonine, Dopamine, Heliamine, Heliamine, dehydro Mescaline, Tyramine, Carnegine, Gigantine (5-hydroxycarnegine), Salsolidine Norcarnegine), Salsolidine, dehydro (Ott 1993).

from http://www.explorebiodiversity.com/Plants/extras/cactaceae%20hallucinogenics.htm

and i found this

http://www.shaman-australis.com/~visiona...%20gigantea.htm


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Re: Gigantine [Re: shamantra]
    #5963033 - 08/14/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, thats really interesting. Must make interesting wine.

I also noticed that gigantine is present in L. williamsii (Peyote) and L. diffusa. L. diffusa doesn't contain mescaline yet this info - http://www.erowid.org/plants/peyote/peyote_info2.shtml suggests it is psychoactive. Could be the gigantine...


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